On the topic of the 5th Raid encounter (spoilers) (Destiny)

by CruelLEGACEY , Toronto, Saturday, November 03, 2018, 12:14 (2281 days ago) @ CruelLEGACEY

So over the past couple of days, I've done 2 complete Last Wish Raids with LFG groups. Both times, I asked the question "are we planning on beating Riven legit?", and the response both times was nothing but laughter from the group. Scrolling through the list of available Last Wish posts on the LFG app, almost every single post mentions "cheese" or "cluster rockets" in the description. It seems that the community at large has collectively decided "nah, we're not doing that" when it comes to the final boss' mechanics. In the case of my LFG groups, it certainly wasn't an issue of lack of skill or experience. Both groups ripped through the raid with little difficulty. It wasn't that they were afraid of the challenge. The common opinion seemed to be that the Riven fight is just too long, too fiddly, and not fun.

Obviously, these are just opinions from the people I happened to run into. But it does make me wonder about what might happen if/when Bungie eventually patches the encounter to prevent the cheese strategy. I wonder how many people will still bother to complete it? We've had cheeses in raid encounters before, but this Riven cheese is somewhat unique. Previous cheeses (Templar, Atheon, Bridge) were only arguably easier and not really any faster (I believe the bridge cheese was actually slower than doing it legit). But the Riven cheese makes the encounter far shorter than doing a proper run. We're talking bringing it from a ~15 minute run down to ~3 minutes, and that's without considering the fact that doing a "proper" run introduces way more opportunities to fail the encounter.

Right now, for people who have already completed the raid, the main motivation to complete it again seems to be for the chance to get 1000 Voices (I'm basing this off the very small number of players I've interacted with, along with some of the discussions I'm reading on reddit). Raid loot in general is something that plenty of players appear to remain excited about, but all the loot aside from 1000 Voices can be obtained from the earlier encounters. It wouldn't surprise me if we get to a point where the average LFG group just plays up to Riven and then stops (if the cheese gets patched).

I'm curious if anyone else is running into this attitude? Is there anyone else who runs with LFG groups that enjoy doing the full encounter?