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Ultimately, I think the issue of "change" is where the majority of the tension comes from in these situations. The majority of fans of any game/book/movie love to have new fans join them in celebrating the thing that they love together. What they don't want is to have the thing that they love changed in order to attract new fans. And this trend is often misdiagnosed, then made worse by the fact that a significant portion of the people expressing their concerns do so poorly, or rudely, or aggressively, because they're being jerks on the internet. And that is precisely where the "gatekeeping" phenomenon comes in. Marvel comics over the past several years is a great example. Marvel looked at their readership and thought "it sure would be great if more women bought our comics... let's do something about that." Totally valid observation, and a great goal. But rather than creating new content to achieve that goal, they took a bunch of their existing franchises and characters and changed them (swapping sex or race or both). Fans complained because their favorite characters and books were suddenly being transformed, and then the whole argument between the self-described "real fans" and everyone else takes off. This is utterly predictable and understandable, and not due to widespread discrimination among comic-book fans. That's just what happens when you take something that people love and change it.
Whoa man, #ComicsGate is not just "Fans complained", it's been targeted harassment and campaigns to get people fired when they defend themselves against said bigoted harassment.You're really minimizing some insidious behavior here.
That is definitely a portion of the situation. It’s terrible. I’m not minimizing any of that. But the numbers of people participating in that behaviour are only a small minority of the fan base who has been generally unhappy with the direction that Marvel has taken. It’s not accurate to paint the entire fan base with the same brush as a minority of people who are behaving terribly.
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CommanderCartman,
2018-10-30, 04:30
- Getting new fans into Bungie Culture is Critical. -
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2018-10-30, 06:25
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CommanderCartman,
2018-10-30, 06:30
- Getting new fans into Bungie Culture is Critical. - narcogen, 2018-10-30, 07:21
- Your opinions are objectively correct. - Funkmon, 2018-10-30, 23:22
- Getting new fans into Bungie Culture is Critical. -
CommanderCartman,
2018-10-30, 06:35
- Getting new fans into Bungie Culture is Critical. -
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2018-10-30, 07:21
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2018-10-30, 08:39
- Getting new fans into Bungie Culture is Critical. -
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2018-10-30, 08:45
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Kermit,
2018-10-30, 09:49
- The mini got an update! - narcogen, 2018-10-30, 10:23
- Been looking forward to this for quite some time... -
kidtsunami,
2018-10-30, 10:24
- Been looking forward to this for quite some time... - Kermit, 2018-10-30, 19:00
- The mini got an update! -
Kermit,
2018-10-30, 09:49
- Getting new fans into Bungie Culture is Critical. -
narcogen,
2018-10-30, 08:45
- Getting new fans into Bungie Culture is Critical. -
CommanderCartman,
2018-10-30, 08:39
- Getting new fans into Bungie Culture is Critical. - Cody Miller, 2018-11-06, 11:57
- Getting new fans into Bungie Culture is Critical. -
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2018-10-30, 07:21
- Getting new fans into Bungie Culture is Critical. -
CommanderCartman,
2018-10-30, 06:30
- Getting new fans into Bungie Culture is Critical. -
ManKitten,
2018-10-30, 08:10
- Getting new fans into Bungie Culture is Critical. - CommanderCartman, 2018-10-30, 08:42
- Redditors nerfed the bungie-org star -
Schedonnardus,
2018-10-30, 10:17
- Redditors nerfed the bungie-org star - CommanderCartman, 2018-10-30, 10:50
- Redditors nerfed the bungie-org star -
ManKitten,
2018-10-30, 11:01
- Redditors nerfed the bungie-org star -
Kermit,
2018-10-31, 09:18
- Redditors nerfed the bungie-org star - CommanderCartman, 2018-10-31, 12:11
- Redditors nerfed the bungie-org star -
Kermit,
2018-10-31, 09:18
- Parent should be post of the year for DBO - Blackt1g3r, 2018-10-30, 11:10
- This needs to be recorded. -
Claude Errera,
2018-10-30, 11:41
- IMPORTANT! RESPONSE FROM DEEJ! -
CommanderCartman,
2018-10-31, 00:33
- Disagree. -
Funkmon,
2018-10-31, 03:18
- You're not wrong - CommanderCartman, 2018-10-31, 04:44
- Disagree. -
Funkmon,
2018-10-31, 03:18
- IMPORTANT! RESPONSE FROM DEEJ! -
CommanderCartman,
2018-10-31, 00:33
- Bravo! - Kermit, 2018-10-30, 11:48
- I lold. - Funkmon, 2018-10-30, 23:26
- Hey, ManKitten... -
Korny,
2018-10-30, 16:17
- Hey, ManKitten... -
ManKitten,
2018-10-31, 06:00
- There's a cat ghost for sale this week :) -
marmot 1333,
2018-10-31, 10:54
- There's a cat ghost for sale this week :) - ManKitten, 2018-10-31, 11:26
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marmot 1333,
2018-10-31, 10:54
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ManKitten,
2018-11-01, 05:53
- Lol - CruelLEGACEY, 2018-11-01, 07:28
- Hey, ManKitten... - ManKitten, 2018-11-06, 12:42
- Hey, ManKitten... -
ManKitten,
2018-10-31, 06:00
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Cody Miller,
2018-10-30, 21:42
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INSANEdrive,
2018-10-30, 22:27
- Wait..Isn't Jason Jones the majority shareholder of Bungie? - CommanderCartman, 2018-10-31, 00:53
- CodyMiller wait what book? -
CommanderCartman,
2018-10-31, 00:46
- He's writing a book that may eventually be published -
Funkmon,
2018-10-31, 03:23
- I wanna read that book one day! - CommanderCartman, 2018-10-31, 04:45
- So what you're saying is....brothervance.jpg - Malagate, 2018-10-31, 07:02
- He's writing a book that may eventually be published - Cody Miller, 2018-10-31, 20:35
- He's writing a book that may eventually be published -
Funkmon,
2018-10-31, 03:23
- To add to this... -
INSANEdrive,
2018-10-30, 22:27
- Those were simpler times -
aftercompletion,
2018-11-02, 15:38
- Yes they were. - INSANEdrive, 2018-11-02, 17:20
- Those were simpler times - Cody Miller, 2018-11-05, 10:49
- Look at Blizzcon -
cheapLEY,
2018-11-05, 07:37
- Look at Blizzcon -
marmot 1333,
2018-11-05, 09:36
- Look at Blizzcon -
Harmanimus,
2018-11-05, 10:00
- Look at Blizzcon -
Cody Miller,
2018-11-05, 10:43
- Look at Blizzcon - Harmanimus, 2018-11-05, 10:50
- There's way more to it than that -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-11-05, 13:40
- There's way more to it than that - Kermit, 2018-11-05, 14:11
- This misses the point. I’ll have to come back to it later. - Harmanimus, 2018-11-05, 14:19
- Whaaaaat -
kidtsunami,
2018-11-06, 12:38
- Whaaaaat -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-11-06, 13:02
- Whaaaaat - Harmanimus, 2018-11-06, 13:25
- Whaaaaat -
kidtsunami,
2018-11-06, 13:43
- Whaaaaat -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-11-06, 13:57
- Whaaaaat -
kidtsunami,
2018-11-06, 14:15
- It's a part of being a citizen of something -
kidtsunami,
2018-11-06, 14:29
- It's a part of being a citizen of something -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-11-06, 14:59
- It's a part of being a citizen of something -
Harmanimus,
2018-11-06, 16:22
- It's a part of being a citizen of something - Cody Miller, 2018-11-06, 16:50
- It's a part of being a citizen of something -
Harmanimus,
2018-11-06, 16:22
- It's a part of being a citizen of something -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-11-06, 14:59
- It's a part of being a citizen of something -
kidtsunami,
2018-11-06, 14:29
- Whaaaaat -
kidtsunami,
2018-11-06, 14:15
- Whaaaaat -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-11-06, 13:57
- Whaaaaat - Kermit, 2018-11-06, 13:07
- Whaaaaat -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-11-06, 13:02
- Look at Blizzcon -
Cody Miller,
2018-11-05, 10:43
- Look at Blizzcon -
Harmanimus,
2018-11-05, 10:00
- Look at Blizzcon -
Cody Miller,
2018-11-05, 10:34
- Look at Blizzcon -
cheapLEY,
2018-11-05, 10:47
- Look at Blizzcon -
Cody Miller,
2018-11-05, 10:53
- Look at Blizzcon - cheapLEY, 2018-11-05, 11:46
- Look at Blizzcon -
Cody Miller,
2018-11-05, 10:53
- Look at Blizzcon -
cheapLEY,
2018-11-05, 10:47
- Look at Blizzcon -
marmot 1333,
2018-11-05, 09:36
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CommandrCleavage,
2018-11-05, 12:20
- DBO: Thunderdome Edition -
Claude Errera,
2018-11-05, 12:42
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- DBO: Thunderdome Edition -
Claude Errera,
2018-11-05, 12:42
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narcogen,
2018-10-30, 06:25