Honestly, I’m almost half looking for a reason to just delete the game. I have a ton of fun when I play it, but it eats too much of my time, and I always seem to regret it every time I fall back into playing it and engaging in the grind. That’s a personal issue, but . . . well, Bungie certainly makes it difficult to be on their side sometimes.

I managed to do it!

Bungie made it easy for me this time. Because I was so far behind, I would never get to run Riven blind. I still haven't beaten that raid, and don't actually feel that sad about it anymore. The new raid I knew I'd have had zero chance with anyway since it'd be impossible to catch up.

So I didn't buy the pass.

Honestly at this point it would take more effort to START playing Destiny 2 again than to stay away. If the investment system is removed I might pick it back up again. But if not…

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Assuming what people were saying about what caused the bug, I might lose access to four of those because Bungie thinks having a few extra Enhancement cores is too much for the people who ground out those Pinnacle challenges.

You mean, thousands upon thousands an hour. Reacquire them, yes. But if you sharded them, you probably aren't using them very often.

No, not the exploit folks, I mean when you complete the Pinnacle challenge, you can currently grab a copy of the weapon on your other two characters. That's what Bungie was supposedly trying to remove, and which caused the bug in the first place.

Gotcha, I read that wrong, my bad.

Now I have to sit and wait for Bungie to sort their mess because they made an exploit for a tiny fraction of the community.

Please at least be rational. I know you are not happy about this happening and you already don't think too highly about Bungie, but come on man. You are anecdotally saying that this is affecting a large portion of people while it is only giving a gain to a tiny fraction of the community. No one but Bungie knows the numbers. Nothing about this is optimal, but at least stand back from how it affects you and think about it in the shoes of a game developer. This is technically breaking a major system of their game. Yes, to a small portion of the community, but the temporary fix while they get a hotfix out is also only affecting a small portion of the community. If I was a developer I would probably do the same thing. Because I don't think so lowly about Bungie that they put 0 thought into this.

Here's the thing, it was a reactionary change made only an hour into the update going live.

Yep, that's how you stop things from getting worse.

Given how terrible Bungie seems to be at communicating within their own studio (source: Cody's book lol), the tiny fraction of people who could even do the exploit had probably already done it a hundred times over.

Or those are just the people who managed to do it before it was stopped.

Could Bungie have simply looked at the metrics for core acquisition and cut them off? Possibly. But instead, they pre-emptively cut off access to the weapons for the entire playerbase, even though the exploit was 100% unavailable to anyone else other than the tiny group. No matter how small you think the amount of players chasing Pinnacle weapons is (which again, we have three people in a single Crucible team going after them this past week alone).

They stopped the bleeding. And it only temporarily hurts the players who will receive pinnacle weapons during the fixing period. I understand that it will be more people than those that will potentially receive a weapon. This did not stop progress to getting weapons, it just delayed when you receive it. Yes, that sucks. But it doesn't suck as much as the potential of a serious economy disaster. If this bug wasn't for just these small players and Bungie hadn't stopped it immediately it could have been so much worse. Now, the worst that happens is people don't get their Pinnacle weapons immediately.

That's a win in my books.

Note. The way Bungie worded it, Wavesplitter is going to be a Hotfix. The Pinnacle weapons were stated to be unavailable "until a fix can be deployed".

Yeah, they really need to get better at wording those...

And I'm not going to go and say Bungie is stupid.

I mean, they already have a poor track record as far a decision-making as a studio, which was always chalked up to being Activision's fault. But even after the split, they still do stupid stuff. And as Forrest Gump says...

Easy to judge when you're on this side. You are just also condemning now and asking question later.

Given how terrible Bungie seems to be at communicating within their own studio (source: Cody's book lol)

Which I've spent a ton of time working on lately instead of playing Destiny :-p

Nothing about this is optimal, but at least stand back from how it affects you and think about it in the shoes of a game developer.

Honestly, no. Why should I?

Because we are now in the age where Players seem to think they get a say in how game developers make games. So yes, if you expect that say, then you have to understand there is another side to it and not just your own. If this was before that, then you would grumble that something doesn't work and continue playing the game you bought.

Bungie has a long history of anti-player decisions just like this one.

That is your view and I respect your opinion, but I disagree.

I’m not a game developer, and I don’t give a shit how hard it is to do their job. I don’t get a “but my job is hard!” free pass if I forget to tighten a lug nut or oil drain plug. Why do they?

1. That is unfair to use a mechanical analogy that involves things that could cost people their lives. Mechanics have to be held to a standard because they could accidentally kill people. If Bungie was held to the same standard then you would get content at 10% of the rate because they would be going through 10-15 different revisions of checks and sign offs.

And giving someone a free pass and trying to understand the difficulty and time frame that is involved is very different.

I’m a player, and I want the product I’ve spent literally hundreds of dollars on at this point to work when I turn it on.

Even if I set aside the money aspect for a second, you are want things to just work. All the time. You are wanting perfection from people who make your games. For you. You don't care who those people are. But you also add in that you payed money. So you are saying, that because of this, and other passed imperfections that the money you payed isn't worth it. Okay, that's your choice. I personally think the 100+ dollars I've spent on a less than perfect game for hundreds of hours of fun was worth it.

At some point they need to just get the stick out of their ass and make an actually good decision that’s not just telling their players to get fucked, which is what this feels like for a lot of people.

At some point gamers need to get the stick out of their ass and realize that you have the right to spend your money how you want but that doesn't give you the right to spend money on something and expect perfection. I can understand that you spent your money and time on a weapon and you deserve that. Yeah, you earned it. But to think that you were wrong and that people are intentionally fucking you over just makes you seem like an entitled asshole.

If you honestly think that a game company is purposely trying to fuck you, then you really need to take a break from gaming.

This is technically breaking a major system of their game.

Is it? Correct me if I'm wrong here.

Pinnacle weapons come masterworked and dismantle into a lot of cores. You can keep acquiring the same gun over and over from the vendor. So you buy, dismantle, buy dismantle etc. That's how it works right?

No, Pinnacle weapons can only be acquired once per character. Once you dismantle it, it's gone.

The exploit was limited to people who completed the quest before the update but didn't pick up the weapon until after the update went live. Only they were able to pick it back up, and there is absolutely no way for anyone else to replicate that exploit.

How is that any different than buying a ton of simulation seeds, and going to brother vance? Unless I am mistaken about how it works, it seems like it's the same thing really.

It's not breaking the system so much as just using it to your advantage. How is this an 'exploit'? Is trading in simulation seeds an exploit since you can basically get all the shards you spent on them back in the loot you acquire?

Enhancement Cores are just a garbage system that is designed to gatekeep your gear from the endgame content. They really need to let you upgrade your weapons through use/challenges/mods instead of a stupidly regulated infusion economy.