I’m mostly with you. Or I was until the season pass model, when the entirety of new content just became a checklist to complete.

I assumed his post was just venting and tongue in cheek.

In either case, it does highlight the ridiculous way people engage with Destiny. If you’re not having fun, why do it? Just because something is there, it doesn’t mean you have to participate. Quit being a completionist and the game gets a whole lot more fun.

I also realize that’s easier said than done.

I'm all for people playing the game they want to, I just don't understand when people blame bungie for "forcing" them to play certain things to get a check mark. I understand that people feel they need to complete something because there is that check mark in the game, but don't blame Bungie for your need to have to fill in a check box. If you honestly thing Bungie shouldn't put those check boxes in there then by all means don't play the game. But I personally think that is a little overkill. But I guess I'm not that much of a completionist.

I’m on the same page as you, here. I’ll be the very first person to commiserate over some of the barriers that Bungie puts between players and loot. For me, the weapons ARE the game. I often put time into Destiny activities that I don’t want to do, because it rewards an awesome weapon that I’ll get months or even years of enjoyment out of (that is, until Bungie started nerfing everything I loved in this game). For example, I think it’s utter BS that there are some players who’ve completed Scourge of the Past 50+ times and still don’t have Anarchy. Stuff like that is genuinely anti-player, IMO. But I push through that stuff because for me, taken in balance, it’s still worth going through those frustrations to get to all the fun that I have with Destiny.

But I just can’t see why anyone would suffer through stuff that they hate so much for a check mark.

Yeah... I gotta stop you here. As a couple of other people have said, if you're not having fun, stop playing. I DEFINITELY think it's supposed to be fun - and I have fun 98% of the time I play it. The whole cynical "Destiny is just a bounty simulator" meme is getting old. Ignore the damn bounties if they bother you. Really. There are 3 activities (4?) where light level actually matters. If you want to do those, maybe you have to worry about Bounties. For everything else, you're COMPLETELY FINE ignoring them. Just play the damn game.

This. I've basically stopped playing Destiny because I hate the grind/bounty thing. I hop on occasionally to play crucible with folks, and I have fun when I do. I always enjoyed the Raids in the past, but since I haven't bought the last expansions/season pass I can't do that anymore so now it's just a free-to-play PvP game for me. That's totally fine. If you're playing a game, then you should only play the parts you enjoy (or maybe put up with a tiny amount of pain to get to something you enjoy). If you aren't having fun, then stop and find something else to do.

Yeah... I gotta stop you here. As a couple of other people have said, if you're not having fun, stop playing. I DEFINITELY think it's supposed to be fun - and I have fun 98% of the time I play it. The whole cynical "Destiny is just a bounty simulator" meme is getting old. Ignore the damn bounties if they bother you. Really. There are 3 activities (4?) where light level actually matters. If you want to do those, maybe you have to worry about Bounties. For everything else, you're COMPLETELY FINE ignoring them. Just play the damn game.

That’s where I have to disagree with you. Everything new in the game revolves around bounties. You can’t make realistic progress in the season pass without doing them. You can’t upgrade Bunkers without doing them. I’d love to go back to ignoring bounties. You literally can’t make progress anymore by doing so. It’s the reason I don’t play anymore. Sure, I can still jump in and raid or play Crucible or whatever, but I’d be ignoring the content I ostensibly paid ten dollars for, and honestly, I’ve been doing the other things with basically nothing new since Forsaken, so I’m kinda over it. I’m just not interested in logging in and collecting bounties then spend the next two hours just doing random crap with whatever gun the bounty tells me to use. I think it’s incredibly disingenuous to tell someone to just ignore bounties. That’s just not how the game works anymore.

Am I seriously the only one who thinks Mote Thief is unreasonable? If it were killing Guardians and picking up their dropped motes, that's one thing. But trying to find their computer enemies—your allies—waiting for the other team to kill them, grabbing the motes the opponents are usually right on top of, and then hoping to survive for the the next 10, 15, 20 seconds? That's not nuts to anybody else here?

I got this one by accident, but there are definitely Triumphs that strike me as nuts.

More nuts, or less nuts than your dreaded 2-for-1 in Halo 3?

For a while there, I was stuck trying to figure out how something like that could even be possible. I eventually gave up and looked it up on YouTube. That is idiotic...that is outrageously irrational...that is impossibly situational...that is (honestly) self-serving...that is just straight up asshole. And if I had to do that for ANYTHING(especially Chronicler), I'd be driving over to Bellevue and knocking on their front door...with an 18-wheeler.

You've certainly put things in perspective. Mote Thief was a poorly executed idea...but you've shown me that there's MUCH worse. So I appreciate that, and I'm going to return to D2 with a much more relaxed approach.

Still won't buy Destiny 3 though.