The more reasonable hope is for reduced complexity in relation to gear, mods, stats, etc. Or at the very least a more digestible way of understanding how all of these play together. The systems really exploded in complexity with the 3.0 elements, which seems to be a function of increased flexibility, but since Destiny is a side hobby and not a full-time job for me, I'm having a really hard time wrapping my head around everything. Catering to Tha Streamerz™ has not done us any favors…

Honestly, they've taken the plunge into build crafting sooo deep that I don't think they'll ever change.

This was a big hurdle for me last year when they started to roll out. I actually checked out for a while and then just decided to let other people make the decisions for me. Once I played with some "preset" builds, I got a good feeling for how all the systems worked and could really hone it in to my playstyle. Now I can actually really appreciate it, but it really isn't something you can do switch up easily without DIM and that is a shame. Mactics does a pretty good job of breaking down builds and explaining how the pieces of a puzzle fit together- although his language is a bit hyperbolic at times. Here's then one that got me into it.

Void Hunter: Always invisible

Also, Hi and welcome back! Rellekh still has found memories of you guiding her through her first VoG clear.

To add to what Robot was saying, I'm finally letting the YouTubers do the work. They often include links to DIM so you can copy their load outs without a lot of work. I admire the people that get into it, and there's part of me that would love to experiment and figure it all out for myself, but it's hard enough for me to find the time to finish the basic content and get exotics.

A lot of people really liked that for the challenge.

As for the complexity of builds, I find myself not too bothered by it. For me, the system is good in that it allows me to go as deep as I want and no further. For example, there's this dude whom I've raided with several times. He has a friend, and this friend knows so much more about the game than I ever will or want to invest in. And that's fine. I know enough to get the play style I want, and I'm able to get there on my own. Mostly. There are some things that I have to look up, but only because some stuff isn't explained in-game.

Lol! Are you talking about Alex who plays with my friend who we are definitely not doxxing right now?

I'm glad you mentioned the Witch Queen campaign. That's what gives me the most hope for what's next.

A lot of people really liked that for the challenge.

I loved the Legendary campaign, and I want all future Destiny solo content to be like that. Felt properly tuned to slow you down a bit and provide a challenge without being completely overwhelming.

There are some things that I have to look up, but only because some stuff isn't explained in-game.

And yeah, this has been a problem since Day 1…

If someone were to pick up Des2ny now, today, and they didn't go on /r/DestinyTheGame for help, how many of the systems in the game currently are 'discoverable'? Just how complex are they? I kind of felt like Des2ny already had a bit of that problem when I stopped, so I'm curious where it's at now.

Interfacing with the mod system is a little like trying to learn how to play a deck builder tabletop game (e.g., Dominion) without a rulebook, using only the text on the cards.

If someone were to pick up Des2ny now, today, and they didn't go on /r/DestinyTheGame for help, how many of the systems in the game currently are 'discoverable'? Just how complex are they? I kind of felt like Des2ny already had a bit of that problem when I stopped, so I'm curious where it's at now.

Well, I'm your typical dumb-dumb that doesn't do things like "read instructions" and I have no idea how to do anything. I mean, scroll down a bit to see that I just learned that armor has elemental powers. If you're curious if something is accessible on the surface, just ask me and see if my eyes glaze over or not.

I wonder if it has to do with networking, lag, etc. Reach felt pretty good for AI, but fell apart with a bad connection. For Destiny, in order to get the smoothness of movement for players and the ability to navigate increasingly more complex geometry, I wonder if they just had to gut the AI to compensate. It really is jarring for company responsible for Halo to have released Destiny's AI. That being said, I do think they've done a decent job of balancing challenge by just throwing lots of thrall at you, which are fun do delete en masse with ridiculous powers/abilities.

Yeah, I suspect the network model/requirement is probably a huge contributor to the style of AI in the game. I was really disappointed in the Lightbearer Hive… they weren't smart or even particularly difficult to combat. Instead, Bungie just made them cheat and let them spam their supers and grenades every few seconds. The most "tactical" part of combating them was to make sure you were close enough (and safe enough) to finish off their Ghost before they respawned.

I like that continue the story a little bit each week, it allows things to drag out at a trickle pace, instead of just hooking me up to a firehose. However, it would be nice to see some diversity in those weekly activities. The last few seasons, it's been "Go play seasonal event 1, now go play seasonal event 2, now go talk to 5 different venders all in different locations" - every week.

^This. I would like be able to progress the weekly story by playing a dedicated mission. It doesn't have to be a crazy big one, just a fun one. Release a seasonal activity on theme if you want to get rewards etc, but don't make me hate it by requiring it to play the story. The seasonal activities are fun the first 1-5 times. I think I would even enjoy it beyond that if it weren't required.

With 3 characters, you have to advance it 3 times to get rid of the quest. (Yeah, I know, I can abandon it.) You don't even get goodies for 2 and 3. :( (I'm thinking specifically of the weapon Spider 'gives' you this season, each week.)