Game preservation & a question for Cody (Gaming)
by Revenant1988 , How do I forum?, Friday, January 24, 2025, 18:03 (6 days ago)
So, watching this youtube video that came across my feed and a few things came to my mind:
1. Even though I was going through some bad depression at the time, I regret purging all my game consoles, and everything that came with them.
2. (Cody question) When the 360 came out, I can't remember if anything was lost with backwards compatibility for Halo & Halo 2....was there? I know the MCC and Halo CE Anniversary editions used the PC version of Halo and some things were lost as a result like effects and textures. I don't recall the same thing happening with the jump from OG Xbox to 360, but maybe I'm forgetting? I feel like if you had the discs and a 360, you got the original experience still.
3. Enter Destiny & Destiny 2: these games are live service. When Bungie says 'no more' and shuts em down, that's it. They won't be the first games to go through that and won't be the last. So, let's say 10 years from now you're feeling nostalgic and want to play Destiny\2, you have the disc and whatever data is on your hard drive but the game never loads because the servers are gone. How does that make you feel today, after 10 years with the game?
4. If a physical, final version of Destiny\2 were to ever release, some sort of multi-disc monstrosity that you could install on a console forever but perhaps with some tweaks to RNG and procedural encounters, a way to system link for 5 others for raids or more for MP, would you buy it? Or do you just hope that the PC modding community might be able to keep it alive in some way?
Thanks for attending Friday-night-sad-drinking-time-thoughts-with-Rev.
Game preservation & a question for Cody
by CyberKN , Oh no, Destiny 2 is bad, Friday, January 24, 2025, 18:13 (6 days ago) @ Revenant1988
edited by CyberKN, Friday, January 24, 2025, 18:27
2. When the 360 came out, I can't remember if anything was lost with backwards compatibility for Halo & Halo 2....was there? I know the MCC and Halo CE Anniversary editions used the PC version of Halo and some things were lost as a result like effects and textures. I don't recall the same thing happening with the jump from OG Xbox to 360, but maybe I'm forgetting? I feel like if you had the discs and a 360, you got the original experience still.
Off the top of my head, the audio filter used for radio transmission VO stopped working, but I actually liked how clear the VO became because of it.
As for your queries about Destiny servers shutting down, I'll be kinda sad, mostly for the loss of VoG and the other raids. I actually spent a little bit of time trying to recreate the mechanics of the Templar Oracle encounter in Unreal a few years ago, but only got as far as having the oracles waves pop up in their specific sequences (and it's not as thrilling with no enemy AI to shoot).
I would absolutely put down money for your hypothetical offline Destiny game, just for posterity.
Game preservation & a question for Cody
by Cody Miller , Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Friday, January 24, 2025, 22:07 (6 days ago) @ Revenant1988
edited by Cody Miller, Friday, January 24, 2025, 22:11
2. (Cody question) When the 360 came out, I can't remember if anything was lost with backwards compatibility for Halo & Halo 2....was there?
Just a decent framerate. Some chugging in single player but it’s borderline unplayable on coop.
I think graphically everything was fine, but I remember there being minor audio issues.
Game preservation & a question for Cody
by uberfoop , Seattle-ish, Sunday, January 26, 2025, 16:14 (4 days ago) @ Revenant1988
2. (Cody question) When the 360 came out, I can't remember if anything was lost with backwards compatibility for Halo & Halo 2....was there?
There were a variety of little quirks.
And one extremely extremely annoying quirk with Halo 2 specifically: sometimes a "ghost image" of sorts would get caught up in the rendering pipeline, and act a bit like a stationary transparent image over your screen unless you quit out and restarted things.
There was also an issue specifically with Backwash, where the framerate would be obliterated on 360 whenever a cloaked player fired a weapon. That's part of why the map got pulled from the matchmaking rotation.
People sometimes claim that the emulation increased the rendering resolution, but this is false. Image quality was changed by the addition of MSAA, but the base resolution was still 640x480.
This is very easy to confirm via pixel-counting in areas where edges are defined by straight lines in textures, like the floor grating at the start of Halo 2:
I know the MCC and Halo CE Anniversary editions used the PC version of Halo and some things were lost as a result like effects and textures.
The biggest-ticket items for me are the broken atmospheric effects, and a variety of missing or modified aspects of the lighting. Although the patches in 2021 largely fixed these in the MCC version.
I don't recall the same thing happening with the jump from OG Xbox to 360, but maybe I'm forgetting? I feel like if you had the discs and a 360, you got the original experience still.
The 360 emulation is far, far closer to the original game than the 2003 Gearbox port (and original version of CEA's "classic" graphics).
Although, both are missing CE's animated fog effects.
Game preservation & a question for Cody
by Revenant1988 , How do I forum?, Tuesday, January 28, 2025, 14:16 (2 days ago) @ uberfoop
Completely forgot about backwash- I do remember being sad about it at the time because I thought that was one of the coolest maps. I also didn't take into account the jump in resolution from OG xbox on a CRT to the 360 (and at the time) a 720P flat screen.
Tt's been 20 years since I've played OG Halo on an OG xbox on a CRT as it was intended. I'm gonna have to remedy that I think!
Game preservation & a question for Cody
by ManKitten, The Stugotz is strong in me., Tuesday, January 28, 2025, 14:46 (2 days ago) @ Revenant1988
Tt's been 20 years since I've played OG Halo on an OG xbox on a CRT as it was intended. I'm gonna have to remedy that I think!
'Member playing 4 player split screen on a 20 inch CRT?
'Memmmbbeerrrr?
Game preservation & a question for Cody
by Claude Errera , Tuesday, January 28, 2025, 17:00 (2 days ago) @ ManKitten
Tt's been 20 years since I've played OG Halo on an OG xbox on a CRT as it was intended. I'm gonna have to remedy that I think!
'Member playing 4 player split screen on a 20 inch CRT?
'Memmmbbeerrrr?
lol - I 'member playing 4-player split screen on a 13" screen. ;) IT WAS TERRIBLE
Game preservation & a question for Cody
by Kermit , Raleigh, NC, Monday, January 27, 2025, 17:01 (3 days ago) @ Revenant1988
Does anyone other than me remember how halo 2 early-batch OG Xboxes? I don’t think there was a fix, and I ended up buying a new
I don't think I understand the question
by ZackDark , Not behind you. NO! Don't look., Tuesday, January 28, 2025, 04:00 (3 days ago) @ Kermit
Nor the anecdote, for that matter
Game preservation & a question for Cody
by cheapLEY , Tuesday, January 28, 2025, 18:06 (2 days ago) @ Revenant1988
3. Enter Destiny & Destiny 2: these games are live service. When Bungie says 'no more' and shuts em down, that's it. They won't be the first games to go through that and won't be the last. So, let's say 10 years from now you're feeling nostalgic and want to play Destiny\2, you have the disc and whatever data is on your hard drive but the game never loads because the servers are gone. How does that make you feel today, after 10 years with the game?
For some reason I was looking at my Playstation Profile page the other night, and the cover photo was a screenshot I took ages ago during an Eater of Worlds raid and it really bummed me out. That raid was freaking fun.
Game preservation & a question for Cody
by Cody Miller , Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Tuesday, January 28, 2025, 22:40 (2 days ago) @ cheapLEY
3. Enter Destiny & Destiny 2: these games are live service. When Bungie says 'no more' and shuts em down, that's it. They won't be the first games to go through that and won't be the last. So, let's say 10 years from now you're feeling nostalgic and want to play Destiny\2, you have the disc and whatever data is on your hard drive but the game never loads because the servers are gone. How does that make you feel today, after 10 years with the game?
For some reason I was looking at my Playstation Profile page the other night, and the cover photo was a screenshot I took ages ago during an Eater of Worlds raid and it really bummed me out. That raid was freaking fun.
The encounter before the boss is probably the coolest raid section ever. Dunno if anything surpassed it because I gave up this game six years ago.
Game preservation & a question for Cody
by ZackDark , Not behind you. NO! Don't look., Wednesday, January 29, 2025, 05:04 (1 day, 17 hours, 56 min. ago) @ Cody Miller
The encounter before the boss is probably the coolest raid section ever. Dunno if anything surpassed it because I gave up this game six years ago.
Deep Stone Crypt's Descent and Vow of the Disciple's Exhibition both scratch that same itch, imo. And these 3 are by far my favorite encounters too.
Game preservation & a question for Cody
by Cody Miller , Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Wednesday, January 29, 2025, 08:54 (1 day, 14 hours, 6 min. ago) @ ZackDark
The encounter before the boss is probably the coolest raid section ever. Dunno if anything surpassed it because I gave up this game six years ago.
Deep Stone Crypt's Descent and Vow of the Disciple's Exhibition both scratch that same itch, imo. And these 3 are by far my favorite encounters too.
The only regret I have in quitting is not being able to experience those with everyone here.
Game preservation & a question for Cody
by Schedonnardus, Texas, Wednesday, January 29, 2025, 13:44 (1 day, 9 hours, 16 min. ago) @ Cody Miller
The only regret I have in quitting is not being able to experience those with everyone here.
same
Game preservation & a question for Cody
by cheapLEY , Wednesday, January 29, 2025, 17:43 (1 day, 5 hours, 17 min. ago) @ Cody Miller
edited by cheapLEY, Wednesday, January 29, 2025, 18:39
3. Enter Destiny & Destiny 2: these games are live service. When Bungie says 'no more' and shuts em down, that's it. They won't be the first games to go through that and won't be the last. So, let's say 10 years from now you're feeling nostalgic and want to play Destiny\2, you have the disc and whatever data is on your hard drive but the game never loads because the servers are gone. How does that make you feel today, after 10 years with the game?
For some reason I was looking at my Playstation Profile page the other night, and the cover photo was a screenshot I took ages ago during an Eater of Worlds raid and it really bummed me out. That raid was freaking fun.
The encounter before the boss is probably the coolest raid section ever. Dunno if anything surpassed it because I gave up this game six years ago.
I still think opening the shield and the boss encounter are peak raiding. There are enough mechanics to manage that failure is a real possibility, but there's also enough cushion built in that individual failures can be totally recovered by someone who is on the ball and paying attention. The enemy density is also just about perfect--enough to have to be managed without being overwhelming. I'd reinstall Destiny 2 tomorrow to play that raid again if it was an option.
Game preservation & a question for Cody
by Cody Miller , Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Thursday, January 30, 2025, 10:46 (12 hours, 14 minutes ago) @ cheapLEY
3. Enter Destiny & Destiny 2: these games are live service. When Bungie says 'no more' and shuts em down, that's it. They won't be the first games to go through that and won't be the last. So, let's say 10 years from now you're feeling nostalgic and want to play Destiny\2, you have the disc and whatever data is on your hard drive but the game never loads because the servers are gone. How does that make you feel today, after 10 years with the game?
For some reason I was looking at my Playstation Profile page the other night, and the cover photo was a screenshot I took ages ago during an Eater of Worlds raid and it really bummed me out. That raid was freaking fun.
The encounter before the boss is probably the coolest raid section ever. Dunno if anything surpassed it because I gave up this game six years ago.
I still think opening the shield and the boss encounter are peak raiding. There are enough mechanics to manage that failure is a real possibility, but there's also enough cushion built in that individual failures can be totally recovered by someone who is on the ball and paying attention. The enemy density is also just about perfect--enough to have to be managed without being overwhelming. I'd reinstall Destiny 2 tomorrow to play that raid again if it was an option.
That was always what I thought the best raid encounters were all about - something that was challenging, yet lets you recover from a mistake if you could pull out a great play.