I'm petetheduck and worst Bungie Day ever.

Bungie, this is garbage, and I'm tired of it. I would rather see Destiny be a Playstation exclusive than have this continual series of disappointments. At least then it would be done and over with. This is another kick in the balls every few weeks, and that's what I have to look forward to for the next decade?

3 Days of Beta?

PlayStation platforms will also include additional exclusive content for Expansion 1 and 2 and will remain exclusive until at least fall of 2015?

I never expected Bungie would be like this to a community that has supported them for a decade. Bungie should, honest to God, be ashamed of themselves.

This isn't beyond Bungie's control--if it's in a contract, they had to sign that contract to be bound by it.

I just don't know how to be a Bungie fan any more. Not when I'm treated like this by them.

But that doesn't make this any less dissapointing

I'm petetheduck and worst Bungie Day ever.

Here, here. I was excited for today. I was excited for the Beta. Now I'm not.

When I finally had money to afford a new console and Destiny, I wanted to go Xbox. My friends are there, I already have Gold paid for, I know the exclusives, I know the platform, I'd pick up a PS4 eventually for exclusives there.

Is there even a point to me doing that now? Is Destiny on an Xbox even worth thinking about? Because it certainly seems like if I want to have any fun with Destiny beyond the game itself, I need to be on PS4. This is not appealing to me. I'm buying into a platform I'm otherwise not terribly interested in for one game. I'm investing in another yearly subscription to play that game. I'm leaving most of the friends I'd otherwise be playing with behind. I have zero wish to have to maintain two platforms.

These are questions I've been thinking about since we first saw the Xbox One and PS4. The answer has not become any clearer, and if anything, seems even farther away.

I'm upset, disappointed, and depressed about how things are going.

The expansions include story stuff. Surely they wouldn't make that timed exclusive. It would suck to have to avoid the forum because of Playstation players wanting to discuss it. If it's just armor and skins it won't be so bad. Hopefully they clarify this before the Xbox riots start. Better do it quick because I'm in the street and about to flip a car.

On one hand - Destiny is HUGE... no wait... HUGE... no no no Bigger... BIGGER!

HUGE.

So what good is the minuscule DLC.

On the other - The anger is about the principle of this thing. Worse still - Silence. Cold. Dead. Silence. Speaking but saying nothing has only alienated the fanbase you have had 10 years to build (Ie Xbox).

It seems Bungie has chosen to cutting off the nose to spite the face, to grow the PS4 fanbase.

Its always the simple things.

Sucks when your favorite game company shafts you. And for what? Money? Guess I know how Mac users felt when Bungie went to Microsoft.

I'm feeling torn and conflicted... not what I was expecting on Bungie Day.

• I think they made all the right moves with the 3 limited editions.
• The messaging like "we're treating the beta like a full release launch" doesn't make sense to me for a 6/3 day beta.
• Everyone seems confused about DLC exclusivity... Just tell what's exclusive and for how long. Don't beat aroud the bush, that's bad fan service and bad PR.

The day isn't over yet, so I'm hoping for some more news!

I just don't know how to be a Bungie fan any more. Not when I'm treated like this by them.

I am so butthurt. Tremendously. This is quickly turning into an issue of principle to me. Even if Destiny is fabulous (and it certainly looks good), I may not be able to buy it. It's been a pretty bad treatment so far, and takes a turn for the worse every couple of weeks.

What in the hell? I'm honestly baffled. And, I'm stupidly hurt. I feel liked a kicked dog.

I am not trying to be melodramatic. I am this close to writing Bungie off. The question is: do they care?

I'm petetheduck and worst Bungie Day ever.

Bungie, this is garbage, and I'm tired of it. I would rather see Destiny be a Playstation exclusive than have this continual series of disappointments. At least then it would be done and over with. This is another kick in the balls every few weeks, and that's what I have to look forward to for the next decade?

3 Days of Beta?

PlayStation platforms will also include additional exclusive content for Expansion 1 and 2 and will remain exclusive until at least fall of 2015?

I never expected Bungie would be like this to a community that has supported them for a decade. Bungie should, honest to God, be ashamed of themselves.

This isn't beyond Bungie's control--if it's in a contract, they had to sign that contract to be bound by it.

I just don't know how to be a Bungie fan any more. Not when I'm treated like this by them.

I'm right there with you, Pete. It really sucks for us Xbox users.

I hate throwing around negativity on a day that should be super awesome for all the fans, but I have to say something about it. First, I want to say how grateful I am to have the opportunity to play the Beta. That truly is an awesome privilege that I don't take for granted. However, the catering to the PS fanbase is getting old. There are probably very good, technical reasons the PS community gets more time, but from the consumer side of this coin, it's hard to see past those extra days and find a reason beyond "You don't love us!". I feel like an afterthought in the community these days because I chose to stay with the Xbox platform.

And I know that in the grand scale of Destiny's life cylce that these few days won't matter. But man does it feel bad right now. The few days of Alpha and extra days of Beta that the PS folks are getting feel like such a [insert something bad].

- CC The deepest hurts in life come from those we love the most. ;_;

What if the people taking all of these things as a personal affront simply stopped being so entitled?

Bungie entered a contract with Activision. That will entail many wheels and deals that ultimately end up with Bungie owning their IP.

How this affects all the bells and whistles of release is irrelevant. In the end, you'll get the same game. You'll get the same great experience, even if you're missing some stuff for months or a year or whatever. The fact that people are so appalled that *gasp* a company made a deal for money is the kind of ignorance that sets them back into the fields of fanboyism and entitlement. Bungie owns Destiny. If they gave the Xbox the deal of an extra few days instead of Playstation, nobody would be decrying them. Nobody would complain that they were "shafting the other guys". Simply because it's not on the console you preferred doesn't make Bungie evil.

Get over yourselves, it's pretty embarrassing.

The Alpha was four days long. We played the crap out of it. This is only one day less, but its bigger scale means that you won't have time to see all there is, and isn't that a good thing? The sense of wonder and discovery will remain throughout, and the full game will have hundreds of times the content.

Bungie loves their community, even if it needs its diapers changed every once in a while... But you're not inviting conversation with all of this negativity.

I gotta say, and maybe its just the first time Im noticing a game do it, but I've never seen a cross platform game give so much attention to just one system. Usually if theres exclusive content across platforms its pretty even. But this is just ridiculous.

This isn't beyond Bungie's control--if it's in a contract, they had to sign that contract to be bound by it.

But if those were the circumstances, could they have found a publisher who would have been willing to fund Destiny but not pull shenanigans?

I agree that this is incredibly stupid, but people are acting like Jason Jones shot their dog. We know little about the circumstances.

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That having been said, I also don't mind the existence of some kind of outcry; it should happen. In a perfect world, the protesting internet communities would get together and organize an actual massive-scale cancelling of preorders, but as that's unlikely to happen, we can all sit tight and deal with more dumb shit. Yay.

If you don't like these trends, spend your hard earned money elsewhere. The mentality of AAA games production is becoming less and less consumer friendly over time, when are you going to do something about it? Now? Or later on when these practices are so ubiquitous that any protestation would have no effect whatsoever?

Frankly, all this DLC nonsense makes me want to skip Destiny altogether, the competitive multiplayer doesn't seem competitive at all, the dlc garbage, the loot grind, player investment, etc. It seems like a really good, fool-around-with-your-friends-type game, but there are far better games for that sort of thing.

I am very disappointed. My worst fears about the direction Bungie has chosen to go have been confirmed. Strictly speaking, I can no longer call myself a Bungie supporter. This is one troubling development too many.

I'm still intrigued by Destiny, of course, but the game will no longer be an automatic pre-order for me. In my mind, Bungie's product must now compete on the same playing field as everyone else's.

Bungie, if you want me back, you're going to have to do some work. Ball's in your court. Take it or leave it.

Sounds disappointing. I too feel kind of jilted. I guess when Jason Jones waxed poetic about Publishers staying out of his face and just let him make a game, he didn't know what he was in for.

That being said, I have to give a nod to Bungie and tryout the game. I have no intention of pre-investing or over-investing in the game. I'm not taking any chances beyond the initial basic retail download.

Everything I buy after that will be more my responsibility than theirs.

All of this exclusive content really matters to the hardcore fans that have been watching this game since 2010. It's completely ridiculous to me that a hardcore fan of something physically cannot get the full version of a game anymore simply because of what console they own and what retailer they buy it from.

I simply want to have the downloadable game on xbox one. As a consumer, in order to get this "limited" and "going quickly" beta code I had to preorder and cancel on Amazon. Get a code. Type it in on Bungie's website and wait until some ambiguous time in the future to play for an ambiguous about of time. Hardly a customer-friendly experience.

And now since I have an xbox, I have less access, less content, and now even the DLC I pay for is worth less? All because I like the features and have long-time friends on one system and not the other. It's not even rewarding Playstation players for owning a playstation. It's punishing xbox owners for not owning a playstation.

It's become impossible for a hardcore fan to play the game how they want to without having to give something up in the process.

I don't mean to be this kind of person, but imagine how some of us felt back around 2000 when Bungie, the Mac developer (who also ported to PC), was bought by Microsoft and announced Halo would ONLY appear on Xbox. I bought a brand new Xbox when it was released by borrowing the money from a friend, something I never would have done otherwise. Now Bungie is able to branch out for the first time in over a decade, and I have to say that I don't have much sympathy for upset Xbox owners, even though I own two of them myself.

Bungie is not Xbox, the two things are not parts of the same whole. If you feel betrayed for some reason, you're certainly entitled to voice it, but things could be worse, and things WERE worse, so I don't see what the big deal is. I assume you have a 360, so you can play this game without buying any new hardware if you don't want to, whether it's an Xbox, a Playstation, or even just a better graphics card for your computer. Stand back and ask how much you really have to complain about.

So what I really mean to say is: "Why, back in MY day...."

4 Days of Beta and only during the Largest Comic Con in the world. Great timing Bungie. Glad I've been waiting since the beta was first announced (preordered for 360 & One) and now I won't even get to participate. Happy Bungie Day.

4 days of Beta is just unacceptable and disturbing...

What's more disturbing?

Bungie's eery silence on the whole subject.

- III

I'm upset, but not at Bungie. That's about all I've got.

We have put Bungie on a mantle and expected them to act differently from every other big studio developer out there, so much that we forget the type of entity that they are. :)

And while I still believe they are bursting at the seams with creativity and craftsmanship, it is important to remember that they are still a well-funded, popular developer and also a business that keeps its employees alive and kicking, and have been one for a while. That comes at a cost. Those costs are especially apparent when you go cross-platform. (If 343i and Halo were not Microsoft-owned hypothetically, I would imagine similar issues arising as have occurred with Destiny and many other "AAA" games.)

I'm not attempting to excuse it. I think a lot of folks who were tired of these marketing ploys, myself included, were hoping Bungie, because we like them so much, might try to stand apart from it, or at least only dabble in it with some horse armor...but it's not looking so. If it was another developer and another game, I don't think some of us would have been surprised by any of this.

But I'm not upset with Bungie in particular - or upset at all (that was all used up on my Cintiq not turning on this morning). I've simply become exhausted with the AAA blockbuster industry as a whole the last few years. That's why I hardly buy any of them anymore, and usually never new. With all these DLCs, exclusives, and other gimmicks constantly bombarding me, how am I supposed to stay interested in the industry that at one time, not so long ago, I was trying to break into?

To fix this issue (if you think it is an issue in the first place), I think we have to not support it across the board, across the industry. It's not a personal or angry thing - it's simply communication through sales. If I have the money for a new copy of Destiny (which sounds impossible at the moment), I'll likely just buy a standard edition, and try to buy it from an outlet that does not offer an exclusive, like I'd currently do with any other game that piqued me interest. I still think Destiny looks great, and I'm a big supporter of Bungie, but we need to let the industry know how we want our games, and to do so we have to move beyond message board rants and act on it, even if that means sacrificing some of the cool nuggets we want. :)

That's my two cents at the moment, but my opinions fluctuate with every new piece of data. Perspective's got to always be on the move, y'know.

Totally agreed. If I hadn't pre-ordered, I wouldn't have bought it. They talked about wanting this game to last TEN YEARS, and they're already screwing the XBOX users before it's even released. Ten years of getting the shaft? I would rather not. This game looks beautiful, the gameplay looks amazing, and the story (the released parts, anyhow) sound intriguing and not half-assed. I'm sure it will be amazing. The problem lies in the fact that a major game like this is giving any preferential treatment at all. This exclusive content, exclusive releases, etc. are going to ruin gaming as developers become more focused on how to draw in cash for a specific system for the kick-back. Gaming is a culture, a fairly new and still developing culture. It's brought people and nations together for friendly competition, allowed outlets for anger and frustration in a world where such acts are not acceptable, told stories and legends that will live forever, and changed the lives of anyone who can let themselves get lost in a story world. Gaming has brought people together, but if we're not careful, this can all get lost in a battle for money. If we're not careful, the XBOX vs PS tradition that developers are breeding will be the end of good games. Then we'll be stuck with WiiU and Mario Party.

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