
Crucible is about to get wrecked (Destiny)
by Cody Miller , Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Sunday, September 28, 2014, 01:01 (3946 days ago)
edited by Cody Miller, Sunday, September 28, 2014, 01:04
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQeIlojbuz0
Vex Mythoclast. This is a primary.
As more and more people start to get this from the Vault of Glass hard mode, expect to get destroyed. This shouldn't happen outside of Iron banner. Between this and Suros Regime, players without great gear are not going to have fun.

Crucible is about to get wrecked
by Yapok , Sunday, September 28, 2014, 05:54 (3946 days ago) @ Cody Miller
wow! that is a damn cool gun. Definitely unbalanced though.
Do you really think it will stay like that?
by DEEP_NNN, Sunday, September 28, 2014, 05:55 (3946 days ago) @ Cody Miller
I mean really?
You don't actually think it stay that way?
Besides, that player is un-naturally good at FPS. Same thing always happens in Halo when player skills are mismatched. You've never seen any of the BR brutalizing that went on? Of course you have.

Do you really think it will stay like that?
by Durandal, Sunday, September 28, 2014, 06:38 (3946 days ago) @ DEEP_NNN
How is this different from a fast firing Scout rifle?
Do you really think it will stay like that?
by DEEP_NNN, Sunday, September 28, 2014, 07:35 (3946 days ago) @ Durandal
How is this different from a fast firing Scout rifle?
I don't know but if it really is broken, Bungie will fix it.

Do you really think it will stay like that?
by uberfoop , Seattle-ish, Sunday, September 28, 2014, 10:03 (3946 days ago) @ DEEP_NNN
I mean really?
You don't actually think it stay that way?
A fusion rifle that's actually an elemental scout rifle that hits like a hand cannon?
It's absurd, but with how messy and deliberately imbalanced Crucible is by design, I wouldn't be that surprised.
Do you really think it will stay like that?
by Jabberwok, Sunday, September 28, 2014, 11:16 (3946 days ago) @ DEEP_NNN
I mean really?
You don't actually think it stay that way?
Besides, that player is un-naturally good at FPS. Same thing always happens in Halo when player skills are mismatched. You've never seen any of the BR brutalizing that went on? Of course you have.
He's good, but it's more than that. This thing is getting kills in like three body shots, and it's fully automatic. I can tell just by watching that it's doing much more damage than my rifle.

I'm not convinced.
by SigbiasSilva , West Midlands, England, Sunday, September 28, 2014, 07:10 (3946 days ago) @ Cody Miller
edited by SigbiasSilva, Sunday, September 28, 2014, 07:24
It does seem a tad powerful but doesn't the opposition there seem very unfocused? They're blindly rushing by and running aimlessly around corners. Nobody seemed to be taking their time or to be using their motion tracker effectively to pre-empt his location or movements, save for a couple toward the end. It comes across as a very lopsided match to begin with. So yeah... I'm not convinced just yet: I'd like to see it in a fair fight, or what should be a fair fight in terms of player skill. That'll be interesting.
Anyway, I'm sure it'll get nerfed if it's truly is overpowered.

I'm not convinced.
by ZackDark , Not behind you. NO! Don't look., Sunday, September 28, 2014, 08:09 (3946 days ago) @ SigbiasSilva
It does seem a tad powerful but doesn't the opposition there seem very unfocused? They're blindly rushing by and running aimlessly around corners. Nobody seemed to be taking their time or to be using their motion tracker effectively to pre-empt his location or movements, save for a couple toward the end. It comes across as a very lopsided match to begin with. So yeah... I'm not convinced just yet: I'd like to see it in a fair fight, or what should be a fair fight in terms of player skill. That'll be interesting.
Even if the other team was a bit lost (and probably pissed off at the score), he was, at most, 4-shotting fools. Other than a legendary/exotic hand-cannon, are there any other guns that can 4-shot a player with body shots?
Also, I didn't notice, but does the burst hurt nearby players?
I'm not convinced.
by petetheduck, Sunday, September 28, 2014, 09:15 (3946 days ago) @ ZackDark
It does seem a tad powerful but doesn't the opposition there seem very unfocused? They're blindly rushing by and running aimlessly around corners. Nobody seemed to be taking their time or to be using their motion tracker effectively to pre-empt his location or movements, save for a couple toward the end. It comes across as a very lopsided match to begin with. So yeah... I'm not convinced just yet: I'd like to see it in a fair fight, or what should be a fair fight in terms of player skill. That'll be interesting.
Even if the other team was a bit lost (and probably pissed off at the score), he was, at most, 4-shotting fools. Other than a legendary/exotic hand-cannon, are there any other guns that can 4-shot a player with body shots?Also, I didn't notice, but does the burst hurt nearby players?
It's a fusion rifle, right? Just without the charge time? Considering fusion rifles are normally a one shot kill, I don't think the time to kill with this is OP. The problem is this being a primary. Make it a special.

I'm not convinced *weapon stats linked*
by SigbiasSilva , West Midlands, England, Sunday, September 28, 2014, 09:31 (3946 days ago) @ petetheduck
edited by SigbiasSilva, Sunday, September 28, 2014, 09:35
It does seem a tad powerful but doesn't the opposition there seem very unfocused? They're blindly rushing by and running aimlessly around corners. Nobody seemed to be taking their time or to be using their motion tracker effectively to pre-empt his location or movements, save for a couple toward the end. It comes across as a very lopsided match to begin with. So yeah... I'm not convinced just yet: I'd like to see it in a fair fight, or what should be a fair fight in terms of player skill. That'll be interesting.
Even if the other team was a bit lost (and probably pissed off at the score), he was, at most, 4-shotting fools. Other than a legendary/exotic hand-cannon, are there any other guns that can 4-shot a player with body shots?Also, I didn't notice, but does the burst hurt nearby players?
It's a fusion rifle, right? Just without the charge time? Considering fusion rifles are normally a one shot kill, I don't think the time to kill with this is OP. The problem is this being a primary. Make it a special.
A fusion rifle indeed. Here are the stats.
I've been comparing it to the (admittedly few) fusion rifles in my gun collection. Some have a much higher impact and stability, but I can't find anything that can compare to that range.
I think it's that - the range - and the staggered bursts that set this gun apart. Usually fusion rifles don't have as much room for error.
I'm not convinced *weapon stats linked*
by Jabberwok, Sunday, September 28, 2014, 11:24 (3946 days ago) @ SigbiasSilva
Are you sure he's using a special, though? I saw the stats, but in the UI in the video, the selected weapon has to be his primary. Plus, there is no charge time, and it is clearly automatic.
It does seem a tad powerful but doesn't the opposition there seem very unfocused? They're blindly rushing by and running aimlessly around corners. Nobody seemed to be taking their time or to be using their motion tracker effectively to pre-empt his location or movements, save for a couple toward the end. It comes across as a very lopsided match to begin with. So yeah... I'm not convinced just yet: I'd like to see it in a fair fight, or what should be a fair fight in terms of player skill. That'll be interesting.
Even if the other team was a bit lost (and probably pissed off at the score), he was, at most, 4-shotting fools. Other than a legendary/exotic hand-cannon, are there any other guns that can 4-shot a player with body shots?Also, I didn't notice, but does the burst hurt nearby players?
It's a fusion rifle, right? Just without the charge time? Considering fusion rifles are normally a one shot kill, I don't think the time to kill with this is OP. The problem is this being a primary. Make it a special.
A fusion rifle indeed. Here are the stats.I've been comparing it to the (admittedly few) fusion rifles in my gun collection. Some have a much higher impact and stability, but I can't find anything that can compare to that range.
I think it's that - the range - and the staggered bursts that set this gun apart. Usually fusion rifles don't have as much room for error.

I'm not convinced *weapon stats linked*
by SigbiasSilva , West Midlands, England, Sunday, September 28, 2014, 13:28 (3946 days ago) @ Jabberwok
Are you sure he's using a special, though? I saw the stats, but in the UI in the video, the selected weapon has to be his primary. Plus, there is no charge time, and it is clearly automatic.
For a moment I thought I heard a charge noise, but it's just the sound of aiming down the scope. My bad. Functionally it's an auto rifle - I believe you're correct there.
The stats are confusing me. This weapon is just too much, gah!

I'm not convinced *weapon stats linked*
by SigbiasSilva , West Midlands, England, Wednesday, October 08, 2014, 09:58 (3936 days ago) @ Jabberwok
Plus, there is no charge time, and it is clearly automatic.
I've seen it a couple of times in PvP now (just now in the Iron Banner again!).
Turns out it has no charge time, but it's not automatic. Each shot is independent, with one bolt fired with each trigger pull. You can check it out on this guy here. Honestly, I don't know why the stats have a middling bar for charge rate when there isn't one, or why they don't cut to the chase and call it a Scout Rifle...
Anyway, of the times I've played alongside and against it now, I've not felt cheated! :)
It wasn't body shots, it looked like 3 shots to pop the shield then a headshot. Note all the headshot bonuses in the kill points.
Also, most of the players are not even looking at him, and don't start firing back until he's already landed 3 shots. When they do start shooting him first he seems to die quickly enough.
If he could kill them before they could whittle him down with a good mid range assault rifle then I would be more alarmed, but it seems he was just picking on people who didn't know how to play more then anything else.
I am.
by Fuertisimo, Sunday, September 28, 2014, 11:08 (3946 days ago) @ SigbiasSilva
How you can't see that I have no idea. I mean presumably the guy on the stream is a lot better than you, and he's talking about how unbelievable it is, so I guess take his word for it if you won't take mine.
Sure Bungie'll patch it, it's not a big deal, but pretending like it's not overpowered right now is almost detached from reality.

I am.
by SigbiasSilva , West Midlands, England, Sunday, September 28, 2014, 13:23 (3946 days ago) @ Fuertisimo
How you can't see that I have no idea. I mean presumably the guy on the stream is a lot better than you, and he's talking about how unbelievable it is, so I guess take his word for it if you won't take mine.
That hurts! :P I'm proud of my ability in the crucible. I'm not amazing, but I hold a higher K/D than the streamer. But this shouldn't and doesn't matter. I don't take his word as gospel because of what I see in much of the video and his over exaggerated commentary.
But anyway, for the record, my opinion has somewhat shifted since I posted that hours ago - since reading much more about experiences with the thing. They still seem to be across the board; a mess. I hope you didn't think I was directly opposed to the possibility that the weapon tearing people up was in fact over-powered. I wasn't denying that.
I'd still like to see it in a more even battlefield. Again, "even" in terms of player prowess, not in terms of kit. The game we watch is not a good example of this. That also can't be denied.
Have a re-read of my post. See if I'm saying the gun isn't powerful, or if the players aren't putting up a fight ;)
Sure Bungie'll patch it, it's not a big deal, but pretending like it's not overpowered right now is almost detached from reality.
Detached reality? I must be spending too much time with the Vex.
I am.
by Fuertisimo, Sunday, September 28, 2014, 21:41 (3945 days ago) @ SigbiasSilva
I see where we're disagreeing: I didn't think that better competition was really necessary to evidence its overpowered nature.

I am.
by SigbiasSilva , West Midlands, England, Monday, September 29, 2014, 01:34 (3945 days ago) @ Fuertisimo
I see where we're disagreeing: I didn't think that better competition was really necessary to evidence its overpowered nature.
I'm not in disagreement that it's powerful, I'm just keen to know how much more. That's something competent gameplay would help illustrate :)

Crucible is about to get wrecked
by Tawpgun, Monday, September 29, 2014, 06:31 (3945 days ago) @ Cody Miller
I've just come to expect that the Crucible is always gonna be an unbalanced shitshow and the Iron Banner is taking that shit show to the next level.
Should be fun though :P
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