1. Get to whatever level. It doesn't seem to matter much!
2. Max out a Suros Regime or Shadow Price.
3. Point at head. Hold trigger.
4. Profit.

Shadow Price.

awwwwwwwwwww yiss

1. Get to whatever level. It doesn't seem to matter much!
2. Max out a Suros Regime or Shadow Price.
3. Point at head. Hold trigger.
4. Profit.

Do you know if they applied the weapon balances yet? (The buff to SR, the nerf to AR, etc)

Seems kind of silly to do the Iron Banner before a TU....

Shadow Price.

awwwwwwwwwww yiss

Due to the weekly marks cap I will have to wait until next week to buy Shadow Price. How much better is it than Doctor Nope?

Shadow Price.

awwwwwwwwwww yiss

Due to the weekly marks cap I will have to wait until next week to buy Shadow Price. How much better is it than Doctor Nope?

Never used Doctor Nope, but that's one of the high RoF guns yeah? Hex Caster was awesome, but I got tired of struggling with it. Shadow Price is real nice in that regard, and kills stuff fast. Haven't unlocked the last reload upgrade on mine, so I imagine that will round it out nicely.

I like Doctor Nope. But it is less consistent for landing headshots. Especially with the killing blow. It's great in a support role if you don't have a more chuggy Auto Rifle. It also depends on the perks you might have with it.

You all are just blasphemers!

They have not applied weapon balance changes yet.

Is time to kill increased significantly or is it still the same game basically?

Don't bother, because everyone else does and you cannot compete.

It takes longer to kill people with upgraded armor and less time to kill people who haven't upgraded their armor, basically.

Play to your skills and you can help your team. If you know you're squishy because you're low level and/or don't have a Legendary weapon, hang back and harass/distract the enemy or follow someone with better gear and get assists, effectively helping them guarantee they'll bring down the enemies they meet. Only charge forward with your super active.

There are many games you could win by making yourself unavailable as a target and forcing the enemy to get their kills from someone harder to bring down.

Can you charge blindly forward into the Iron Banner? No, nor should you. Use strategy and the game mode will not feel locked off to you. Having a high number of Kills is not the same as having a high K/D ratio, and only one of those things actually helps your team to win.

That's my level 27 Titan with 1240 defense and maxed out 300 attack Fair and Square competing. :)

Interestingly, I was not killed by either gun mentioned... Some Grim Citizens but no Shadow Price or anything...

Flawed logic to me.

'Coure I lose the next game horribly, but that had everything with Bungie starting me out with a 5 person team which ended up a four person team... and oh yeah, I couldn't respawn half the time... Wheee!

I'm a basic 24 with basic weapons, played 3 matches of iron curtain, got K/D of 3.00, 1.83 and .89. I really thought I would get destroyed but it was quite the opposite.

Seems most of the people playing think they are super powerful and just run head first into battle because they've "got a legendary weapon"

Hang back, be patient and wreck it up.

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Maybe all my Destiny skill drained away in the two day break I took to play Mordor then, or I've got bad luck. I'm consistently losing auto rifle duels against the Regime that my Galahad could win before.

It's not absurd to want a way to earn Raid equivalent gear for PvP if raid gear is going to be allowed and grant an advantage in PvP.

Not everyone has 5 friends to get into the Vault with.

It's not absurd to want a way to earn Raid equivalent gear for PvP if raid gear is going to be allowed and grant an advantage in PvP.

Not everyone has 5 friends to get into the Vault with.

It only creates an advantage in the Crucible, and why shouldn't the technically strongest players in the Crucible be those that have a well rounded Destiny experience? This makes both in-world sense to me and practical sense.

Meh - I don't have either of those guns.

I seemed to do okay with my Dead Orbit Scout Rifle and a Rare sniper. Out of my first three matches, I went MVP all three, completed three Iron Banner bounties, reached rep rank 1.5 and got myself the IB emblem and shader.

those guns will be nerfed soon anyway.

Don't bother, because everyone else does and you cannot compete.

I went positive using a blue-rarity Dämmerung, and my biggest problem was Invective, which is getting a range nerf soon, and the Monte Carlo, which is also getting a nerf.

The issue is that the game essentially becomes Hardcore mode for everyone, and casual players can't even. There are people who simply will never enjoy Hardcore gametypes, people who can deal with them, and people who thrive in them. Iron Banner is a good thing because there's no equal footing. It is essentially an MLG playlist that doesn't gimp the sandbox, so people who normally enjoy MLG gametypes might get their junk pushed in, while others who avoid that gametype might finally find something to like in a Hardcore mode. And like most pro gametypes, it's not for everyone, especially not for people who complain that someone else has a shinier toy than they do. But there's always the Crucible, and a round or two should give a better appreciation for what the Crucible does...

Sure, some weapons will fare far better than others, but the variety of encounters shows that it doesn't end up being a BR-fest like Halo 4, or a shotgun-fest like Gears. Every portion is equally unbalanced, but everyone knows that. I saw someone earlier this week whining that their low-level character could get steamrolled in the Iron Banner, completely missing the point of the whole dang thing...

tl;dr Yeah, Iron Banner is completely unbalanced, but that's the whole point. Does this mean you can't succeed unless you have specific weapons? No.

I guess if you don't mind the fact that someone can literally never play Crucible in their life and then come into IB at level 30 with a clear advantage over someone who has never raided in their life that's dandy.

They won't know the maps. The advantage is not that big.

I'm discussing stat advantages.

I'm discussing stat advantages.

And I'm discussing the way the game actually works. Someone who:

literally never play Crucible in their life

is not going to be much of a threat because they won't know their way around. Won't know the lines of sight. And won't have enough extra armor to make up for it.

You can hit mid 29 with normal legendary and an exotic. I've only seen a few 29's and a bunch of 27-28s, I have yet to see a level 30.

My Doctor Nope has the Perfect Balance upgrade (not sure if it always does?) and two (two!) reload speed upgrades so it's actually better than a normal Shadow Price.

A Shadow Price with Perfect Balance is the highest Stability I've seen on any Auto Rifle though. Grab one of those as soon as possible.

So I ran a few Iron Banner games last night after raiding and it seems that:

1) Gear really makes very little difference. There was a level 14 guy in our group who, while not great, was still doing okay and he certainly didn't hurt our team. TBH I expected to notice a bigger difference in character level and gear bonuses.

2) The way to win is to play as a team. 5 of us were all friends in a group, and so we split into two teams (one of 3 and one of 2), and just hoped the level 14 guy would see what we were doing. Then we ran those squads in groups and basically dominated. The key is teamwork.

Because time to kill is so much longer in Destiny than in a game like CoD or Battlefield, having numbers on your side is critical. For the xbox folks, it's a lot like Titan combat in titanfall. For those without Titanfall experience, you just know that you need to stay with a group to be successful.

The wrench in the works is supers (and, to a lesser extent, rockets), so you want to maximize heavy weapon ammo control, and try to identify enemies with supers active and do your best to evade those attacks.

If you have at least one buddy who you can play with, just try to stick together and you should both do fine.