My Thoughts on Destiny (Destiny)

by EffortlessFury @, Saturday, November 08, 2014, 09:53 (3908 days ago)

Hello everyone. I know I don't post much around here, so some of you might've forgotten who I am. For all the old guard, I went by DHalo over on HBO. Hello again. :)

Now, one of the reasons I rarely post is to try and keep the hyperbole and uninformed chit chat to a minimum. I didn't stay very "up-to-date" on Destiny during it development, so I didn't really have much to say. Even though I feel my expectations were quite tempered compared to most others' here, I did have some expectations from the things that Bungie had said over the years here and there.

So...finally, I feel like enough time has passed where my feelings on Destiny are not just knee-jerk. As a TL;DR, I can say with confidence that, overall,...

Destiny is quite the disappointment in my eyes. More so than Halo 4 was to me, and that really says a lot coming from me. I'll explain, but for some background on my perspective, I'm not the biggest fan of PvP anymore. It requires an investment of time all its own to keep a modicum of skill, which is less than desirable considering Destiny already has investment issues all its own. But the PvP distaste is a general, non-Destiny specific distaste. I primary stick with narrative content. Additionally, I play a Warlock currently at level 27 after 45 hours of game time. So...what is it that I dislike about Destiny?

1. Its lack of substance
2. Its reliance on investment.

So, first off, Destiny has the seeds of something great showing on the surface...but seeds are meant to be buried, behind the scenes. I should see what has flourished from those seeds, not the seeds themselves. The story was the beginning of a much longer arc, sure, but it feels like rather than flesh out the content of their story to be more full of life and narrative, they implemented what could amount to an outline of a story. Each moment is a bullet point, rather than its own paragraph. I would be more likely to give Bungie a chance to do a better job on this going forward if it weren't for number two.

Destiny requires your investment. And not just overarching investment, I get that all games of this type require investment. But here's the thing: let's say I were to load up WoW or SWTOR. I can hop on, do a portion of a quest and log off. Maybe 10 minutes of time. I can continue to devote small moments of my time to the game whenever they are available to me. My progress is almost always saved mid-activity.

Destiny? Well, to progress at anything faster than a snail's pace (and not playing in PvP), I need Ascendant Materials and Vanguard Points and Marks. To get these I have to focus my activity choices on Bounties, Public Events, Strikes, and Patrol missions. The first problem is feeling like I can't move on toward end game content without playing very specific content. I feel forced into the repetition to move forward. Second, in comparison to the above MMO style, many of these activities require more time than just a few minutes. Bounties require me to hit the Tower first. Patrols give piddly vanguard points. Strikes take time (and have to be finished in one sitting), and Public Events aren't guaranteed, let alone the fact that I'm not always guaranteed to get the items I need because of the RNG. I've done 4 Public Events, getting no random A-Mats and Energy from the Postmaster package when I need Shards.

Thing is, I am incredibly busy lately. I don't always have time to spend a half hour or more at one time, and the fact that I'm not Vanguard Rank 3 yet and I'm already tired of playing the same crap over and over is not a good sign. I realize that there are activities in MMOs like Raids and Dungeons that require a long time investment and other people, but those are special times that I set aside a block to do on rare occasion. I shouldn't feel like I need other people and large blocks of time every time I play. I can't do feasibly do that.

Destiny has great gameplay. But the content got old, fast. MMO expansions release large amounts of content for each purchase, whereas Destiny is going to charge quite a bit for quite little in comparison.

I realize that the answer to this dilemma is: Destiny is not the game for me. And I get that. But it is still, nevertheless, depressing that a game that Bungie was trying to tout as the greatest thing since sliced bread is the least approachable game I have ever played, with very little reward for playing it. The story is not rewarding. The RNG is not rewarding. I've not played the Raid yet due to not having a Legendary primary yet. I've seen only 2 Legendary engrams in my time playing...

It really feels like its not worth my time. And that's unfortunate. I wish there was more here for me, but there's not.

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by Oholiab @, Saturday, November 08, 2014, 12:03 (3908 days ago) @ EffortlessFury

Thanks for posting! I agree with just about everything you said.

That said, I'm still enjoying the gameplay and the experience of playing alongside my three kids. We've had a lot of great moments together!

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by Kahzgul, Saturday, November 08, 2014, 14:21 (3908 days ago) @ EffortlessFury

100% agreed. The story stinks despite the potential of the premise and the game where "you can choose how to play" clearly pidgeonholes everyone into a weekly nightfall, a weekly heroic, the daily heroics, one world event per day, and as many bounties as possible all the time. You feel like you have to do ALL of that to level up, and you basically can't level up if you'd rather do something else.

My Thoughts on Destiny

by Mattchoo, Saturday, November 08, 2014, 14:34 (3908 days ago) @ EffortlessFury

I do respect your view. I agree with your take given your game preferences. Destiny definitely doesn't fulfill what you like in games...


I love this game though. My friends and I play it 3 - 4 times a week. I have logged almost 6 days and have no plan on stopping. Granted, i literally play 50/50 PVE and PVP.

The gunplay is some of the best in my opinion.

Each kill is so rewarding.


The unique guns, gear, abilities is incredibly deep and entertaining to me.

Lastly, bummer you didn't get to raid. It is the greatest PVE experience in the FPS genre I have ever had.

My Thoughts on Destiny

by EffortlessFury @, Saturday, November 08, 2014, 15:06 (3908 days ago) @ Mattchoo

I do respect your view. I agree with your take given your game preferences. Destiny definitely doesn't fulfill what you like in games...


I love this game though. My friends and I play it 3 - 4 times a week. I have logged almost 6 days and have no plan on stopping. Granted, i literally play 50/50 PVE and PVP.

The gunplay is some of the best in my opinion.

Each kill is so rewarding.


The unique guns, gear, abilities is incredibly deep and entertaining to me.

Lastly, bummer you didn't get to raid. It is the greatest PVE experience in the FPS genre I have ever had.

I totally plan to Raid...eventually...once I get enough materials to hit level 28 and enough Vanguard ______ to get Legendary weapons for my Primary and Heavy slot.

The RNG is not my friend when it comes to A-Mats though. Played the Heroic today. Got Energy again. Buddy got his first Legendary engram. 2 shards. *shakes head*

Bad artificial progression wall is bad.

I will stand by the game play 1000%. But the artificial stoppage of progress to content I want to play as punishment for lack of time + lack of luck is a blight on an otherwise enjoyable product.

My Thoughts on Destiny

by Mattchoo, Saturday, November 08, 2014, 17:19 (3908 days ago) @ EffortlessFury

I do agree with you :-)


Wish you liked the PVP more. (Not sure how to phrase my thoughts, so please bare with me here) It helps spread out the pve content while obtaining legendary items another route. Doesn't take too long to get marks, albeit the weekly cap is 100 :-(

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If it helps at all...

by Penthesilean, Sunday, November 09, 2014, 18:00 (3907 days ago) @ EffortlessFury

...I'm fairly certain that reaching level 2 in any faction rank guarantees a piece of legendary armor as a reward, and reaching level 3 likewise guarantees a legendary weapon. With rank 4 forward, it's completely random (and usually junk blue engrams), but with a chance each time for faction-unique shaders.

That was the case for all three of my characters with all factions involved, and it was the case for my boyfriend's character as well. If that's not the case, it's been one hell of a coincidence.

That might make the work required a little bit more bearable knowing that, assuming you don't mind getting whatever the RNG throws at you.

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My Thoughts on Destiny

by Cody Miller @, Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Saturday, November 08, 2014, 18:26 (3908 days ago) @ EffortlessFury
edited by Cody Miller, Saturday, November 08, 2014, 18:30

I realize that the answer to this dilemma is: Destiny is not the game for me. And I get that. But it is still, nevertheless, depressing that a game that Bungie was trying to tout as the greatest thing since sliced bread is the least approachable game I have ever played, with very little reward for playing it. The story is not rewarding. The RNG is not rewarding. I've not played the Raid yet due to not having a Legendary primary yet. I've seen only 2 Legendary engrams in my time playing...

You do NOT need a legendary primary to do the raid. The first time I beat the raid I was level 26, and all my weapons were blue. Go do that raid right now!

I can't really disagree with anything you said, but I've found peace with Destiny now. I can hop on and play crucible, or do the raid. Both of those things are fun.

I don't feel like I need to do anything else, however getting to this point was rough. My fear is that the expansions and the sequel will necessitate the same grind over and over, rather than let me stay at the top of the hill as a level 30 and be able to play whatever I feel like at the time.

The news of raising the light level cap to 32 is not promising.

I feel that everything besides the FPS part of the game was done poorly, but the FPS part was done well if that makes sense (barring level design, which is problematic).

My Thoughts on Destiny

by Avateur @, Saturday, November 08, 2014, 18:43 (3908 days ago) @ EffortlessFury

Everything you said about this game is spot on. As for the Raid, you don't need Legendary stuff. Let me know some time when you're available, and we can knock this Raid out. I don't need to spoil anything for you or handhold you through any area. If you want to figure things out the hard way and do things the hard and brand new way, I'm down for it. Just letting you know that I could probably get a group together real quick if you're interested at some point.

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My Thoughts on Destiny

by Kermit @, Raleigh, NC, Sunday, November 09, 2014, 05:46 (3907 days ago) @ Avateur

Everything you said about this game is spot on. As for the Raid, you don't need Legendary stuff. Let me know some time when you're available, and we can knock this Raid out. I don't need to spoil anything for you or handhold you through any area. If you want to figure things out the hard way and do things the hard and brand new way, I'm down for it. Just letting you know that I could probably get a group together real quick if you're interested at some point.

Ditto. I was a 25 with mostly rare weapons the first time through the Raid, but frankly I needed to (and did get to 26) before we finished. Would love to play through it with you.

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My Thoughts on Destiny - I want to Raid.

by Chewbaccawakka @, The Great Green Pacific Northwest!, Monday, November 10, 2014, 14:06 (3906 days ago) @ Kermit

Hearing this gives me hope. I've been wanting to play the raid since I first found out about it, I just don't have much time for gaming these days. I'm a level 25 Voidwalker with one Legendary, and one Exotic weapon. I think I'm done waiting to play the Raid, I want to start it tonight.

That being said, does anyone want to Raid with me? I've been steadfastly avoiding spoilers because I want to figure it out myself. I won't be able to get online until sometime around 10pm PST. Which I know is an untenable start-time for many here. But I'd love to have company as I start this end-game content!

Hit me up if you'd like!

Xbox One

GT: Chewbaccawakka

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My Thoughts on Destiny - I want to Raid.

by Kermit @, Raleigh, NC, Monday, November 10, 2014, 15:47 (3906 days ago) @ Chewbaccawakka

Hearing this gives me hope. I've been wanting to play the raid since I first found out about it, I just don't have much time for gaming these days. I'm a level 25 Voidwalker with one Legendary, and one Exotic weapon. I think I'm done waiting to play the Raid, I want to start it tonight.

That being said, does anyone want to Raid with me? I've been steadfastly avoiding spoilers because I want to figure it out myself. I won't be able to get online until sometime around 10pm PST. Which I know is an untenable start-time for many here. But I'd love to have company as I start this end-game content!

Hit me up if you'd like!

Xbox One

GT: Chewbaccawakka

Tonight might not be the best night in that you can't pick up your progress tomorrow because of the reset. Also, I would recommend that you be a 26 before you get to the final battle.

Also, if you could ever do it earlier I'd be happy to help.

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My Thoughts on Destiny - I want to Raid.

by Chewbaccawakka @, The Great Green Pacific Northwest!, Monday, November 10, 2014, 16:20 (3906 days ago) @ Kermit

Tonight might not be the best night in that you can't pick up your progress tomorrow because of the reset.

Ah, a valid point. :( I guess I'll start sometime later this week then.

Also, if you could ever do it earlier I'd be happy to help.

I really wish I could. Maybe Thursday I could start as early as 8pm PST. Any earlier than that I won't be able to do, due to my (irritating) work schedule.

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My Thoughts on Destiny - I want to Raid.

by iconicbanana, C2-H5-OH + NAD, Portland, OR, Monday, November 10, 2014, 16:26 (3906 days ago) @ Chewbaccawakka

Xbox One

GT: Chewbaccawakka

Damn, thought you were 360 for some reason. Would def hit you up otherwise.

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My Thoughts on Destiny - I want to Raid.

by Chewbaccawakka @, The Great Green Pacific Northwest!, Monday, November 10, 2014, 16:34 (3906 days ago) @ iconicbanana

I was until about 2 days ago. Just made the switch to Xbone, though I still have my 360...

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I was 29 with maxed weapons and still sucked. :(

by Funkmon @, Monday, November 10, 2014, 15:13 (3906 days ago) @ Kermit

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I was 29 with maxed weapons and still sucked. :(

by Kermit @, Raleigh, NC, Monday, November 10, 2014, 15:16 (3906 days ago) @ Funkmon

BS. You did great.

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