Tried to play VOG last night with a group that WASN'T associated with DBO at all. Just some friends who sounded like they needed an extra hand and an extra gun and I thought I would be happy to oblige. Bad idea.

......I made it a little over an hour before I bailed which was full of frustration and me going

"WHAT ARE YOU DOING, DON'T DO THAT!!! COMMUNICATE!! WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU'RE OUT OF PRIMARY AMMO, HOW IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE....! YES YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SHOOT THE ORACLES NOT WALK INTO THEM!! WHO HAS THE RELIC...WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHAT'S THE RELIC!" and much much more

I dropped in during the 'Defend the Confluxes' part and stayed till we had to defeat the Templar and I couldn't handle it.

I was so done.

Congrats guys, you officially ruined me for playing with normal people.

CC

"WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU'RE OUT OF PRIMARY AMMO, HOW IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE....!"

If they were using a mythoclast, I totally understand. Considering their purported acumen, I gather this wasn't the case.

Maybe they were all running around with "No Land Beyond"!

In all seriousness, I've run out of primary ammo plenty of times from simply killing all of the enemies from a long distance. Once you run out you have actually stop shooting long enough to get to the ammo (unless it's in one of those green pools of evilness, then you are hosed).

In my usual raid group we refer to that as "Pulling a Kevin". I'm not sure how he does it, but EVERY TIME we raid, nightfall, etc.. he is out of primary, and he doesn't have a Mythoclast yet.

Yep, I've had very similar experiences. My personal favorite was during a VoG run with a bunch of randoms when I stayed back on the sniper perch during the conflux/oracle/templar battle. 1 of my teammates spent the entire encounter yelling at me "What the F$%& are you doing! Get down here you useless piece of S$%t!"

Then, when the team wiped during the templar battle and the score board appeared, he noticed I had more than double the kills of the next player in our fireteam.

He promptly shut the hell up :)

I play with a non-DBO static, and we have our quirks, strengths and weaknesses. None of us can multi-task, for a start. But my God, I had no idea we were so good at this game compared to the general population. The few PUGs I've played in have been nigh-unbearable.

[Insert usual caveat about a static group having better chemistry etc. and knowing who's doing what]

In my usual raid group we refer to that as "Pulling a Kevin". I'm not sure how he does it, but EVERY TIME we raid, nightfall, etc.. he is out of primary, and he doesn't have a Mythoclast yet.

The only pre DLC hand cannon that can one shot lvl 30 Goblins in the Vault is the Hawkmoon. That means you're using twice as much ammo on hard vs normal. It's possible if you don't get good ammo drops, but primary synth are super cheap.

I don't have too much problem with the Mythoclast overall, but maybe it's because I have ammo perks that let me carry ~250 shots. Sometimes I need to pop a synth if I'm on a totem.

The only pre DLC hand cannon that can one shot lvl 30 Goblins in the Vault is the Hawkmoon. That means you're using twice as much ammo on hard vs normal. It's possible if you don't get good ammo drops, but primary synth are super cheap.

Both my Fatebringer and Lord High Fixer one-shot lvl 30 goblins in the Vault. I assume Devil you Know would too since it's the same gun as the Lord High Fixer.

The only pre DLC hand cannon that can one shot lvl 30 Goblins in the Vault is the Hawkmoon. That means you're using twice as much ammo on hard vs normal. It's possible if you don't get good ammo drops, but primary synth are super cheap.

Both my Fatebringer and Lord High Fixer one-shot lvl 30 goblins in the Vault. I assume Devil you Know would too since it's the same gun as the Lord High Fixer.

Fatebringer does not one shot unless the Goblin has been damaged by firefly. If it is full health, it won't one shot. Neither will lord high fixer. What perk does it have? Even Devil you Know with the bonus damage on kill won't one shot.

They have a little over 1700 hit points, and with the bonus damage perk DYK does about 1700 but leaves a sliver.

This was true at level 30.

The only pre DLC hand cannon that can one shot lvl 30 Goblins in the Vault is the Hawkmoon. That means you're using twice as much ammo on hard vs normal. It's possible if you don't get good ammo drops, but primary synth are super cheap.

Both my Fatebringer and Lord High Fixer one-shot lvl 30 goblins in the Vault. I assume Devil you Know would too since it's the same gun as the Lord High Fixer.

Fatebringer does not one shot unless the Goblin has been damaged by firefly. If it is full health, it won't one shot. Neither will lord high fixer. What perk does it have? Even Devil you Know with the bonus damage on kill won't one shot.

They have a little over 1700 hit points, and with the bonus damage perk DYK does about 1700 but leaves a sliver.

This was true at level 30.

Sounds like we need to run a hard mode VoG in the next day or two, because I'm pretty sure I one-shot those goblins when I hit 'em in the juice box. I still need to find my first Hawkmoon and/or Mythoclast too :-/

I definitely don't 1-shot Goblins with my Fatebringer or TDYK

As CruelLegacey pointed out in this other thread, I confirmed last night that Fatebringer can one-shot goblins in the hard-mode Vault -- if you have explosive rounds on (and I still don't understand why you wouldn't!). When you hit the goblin/hobgoblin in the stomach, it does 1004 critical damage, plus 1004 from the explosive round's area damage. (Without explosive rounds on, it does 1500 damage - not quite enough to kill them.) This also kills Fanatics in one shot by the way (although they seem to be harder to reliably hit with a critical on that first shot all the time).