I used to use fusion rifles a lot. Now? Barely ever (Mythoclast excepted). Literally the only time now is if I am out of rockets in the Vault of Glass fighting a Praetorian. With the plethora of elemental primaries and the great new snipers such as LDR 5001, I haven't had the need in a really long time.

Does anybody use them still, and where?

They still wreck in PvP.

I used to use fusion rifles a lot. Now? Barely ever (Mythoclast excepted). Literally the only time now is if I am out of rockets in the Vault of Glass fighting a Praetorian. With the plethora of elemental primaries and the great new snipers such as LDR 5001, I haven't had the need in a really long time.

Does anybody use them still, and where?

They still wreck in PvP.

I've never really used them. What I DO want is an exotic weapon like an auto rifle or scout rifle that goes in the special weapon slot.

I used to use fusion rifles a lot. Now? Barely ever (Mythoclast excepted). Literally the only time now is if I am out of rockets in the Vault of Glass fighting a Praetorian. With the plethora of elemental primaries and the great new snipers such as LDR 5001, I haven't had the need in a really long time.

Does anybody use them still, and where?

They still wreck in PvP.

I've never really used them. What I DO want is an exotic weapon like an auto rifle or scout rifle that goes in the special weapon slot.

I keep a maxed one in every flavor just for situational engagement. Nothing is more effective at taking down shields in a Nightfall; you can engage melee enemies at midrange, and with burn multipliers they can melt almost anything. My final rest positively obliterates Sword Knights or Captains, and sees plenty more use than almost any of my special weapons.

The great new snipers such as LDR 5001

Can anyone give their opinion of this gun please? I don't see why people are favouring it so much. I have final boss which has better stability and rate of fire with the missed shots returning to mag perk.

Experiences/opinions why the LDR 5001 is > final boss? Other than 300+ attack, please.

I keep a maxed one in every flavor just for situational engagement. Nothing is more effective at taking down shields in a Nightfall; you can engage melee enemies at midrange, and with burn multipliers they can melt almost anything. My final rest positively obliterates Sword Knights or Captains, and sees plenty more use than almost any of my special weapons.

See, in nightfall, I find a SNIPER to be much more useful. You are farther away and safer from the burn element, and snipers do tons of damage so if you use the appropriate element it cuts through shields in one hit.

The great new snipers such as LDR 5001

Can anyone give their opinion of this gun please? I don't see why people are favouring it so much. I have final boss which has better stability and rate of fire with the missed shots returning to mag perk.

Experiences/opinions why the LDR 5001 is > final boss? Other than 300+ attack, please.

Same impact as Icebreaker, good range, and the Vanguard version comes with Armor Piercing rounds. My void one has field scout, and I bought an arc one with AP rounds from vanguard.

The attack value is more of a subtle modifier then a true representation of a weapon's damage. In PVE, I always favour weapons with higher impact, and Final Boss' impact is only about a third of LDR's.

I keep a maxed one in every flavor just for situational engagement. Nothing is more effective at taking down shields in a Nightfall; you can engage melee enemies at midrange, and with burn multipliers they can melt almost anything. My final rest positively obliterates Sword Knights or Captains, and sees plenty more use than almost any of my special weapons.

See, in nightfall, I find a SNIPER to be much more useful. You are farther away and safer from the burn element, and snipers do tons of damage so if you use the appropriate element it cuts through shields in one hit.

You can chalk that up to playstyle if you want, I like to get up close and personal.

But this is irrelevant is PvP

So LDR is only really better because PvE, right ?

Then stability and RoF is king in PvP

I still use Murmer fairly regularly, but other than that I'm in a similar boat. I have a couple maxed out Wizards (fusion and Arch) plus Plan C and Pocket Infinity, and I never use any of them anymore. I'll occasionally bust out my Fusion Wizard in the VoG while defending the central conflux just before Atheon, but that's it.

I don't actually use shotguns very often, either.

I agree here. Aim for the head and stack them precision kills ;)
Plus hunter stack bonus

On the rare occasion that a group doesn't want to skip Deathsinger in CE, I use a fusion rifle for that fight. It's a lot easier to sprint in and pop the shriekers with an FR than anything else if you don't have heavy ammo for the ballerhorn.

But this is irrelevant is PvP

So LDR is only really better because PvE, right ?

Then stability and RoF is king in PvP

Yup, which is why Praedyth's revenge rules PvP.

But this is irrelevant is PvP

So LDR is only really better because PvE, right ?

Then stability and RoF is king in PvP

Yup, which is why Praedyth's revenge rules PvP.

I need that sniper so much

I'm a raid virgin

But this is irrelevant is PvP

So LDR is only really better because PvE, right ?

Then stability and RoF is king in PvP

Well, yes, but this entire thread has been about PvE. I doubt they'll ever introduce a sniper that has enough impact to kill with one body shot in PvP.

Final Boss' RoF is kinda insane though. It fires faster then some hand-cannons.

The attack value is more of a subtle modifier then a true representation of a weapon's damage. In PVE, I always favour weapons with higher impact, and Final Boss' impact is only about a third of LDR's.

True with snipers yes, but not so much with hand cannons. They do so much damage per shot, often any more damage is wasted as overkill. This is why surprisingly Fatebringer is still extremely effective even in high level content compared to 331 hand canons. When you think about it it makes sense. It's only an extra shot if the enemy has between 1500 and 1700 hp, which most don't. It's either lower than 1500 or higher than 1700.

With snipers it matters because you're usually shooting tougher enemies, and enemies with shields, so overkill is less common.

But this is irrelevant is PvP

So LDR is only really better because PvE, right ?

Then stability and RoF is king in PvP

Well, yes, but this entire thread has been about PvE. I doubt they'll ever introduce a sniper that has enough impact to kill with one body shot in PvP.

Gozen-C can do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-RKlqq6vrA

True with snipers yes, but not so much with hand cannons. They do so much damage per shot, often any more damage is wasted as overkill. This is why surprisingly Fatebringer is still extremely effective even in high level content compared to other 331 hand canons. When you think about it it makes sense. It's only an extra shot if the enemy has between 1500 and 1700 hp, which most don't.

That's my point. The Attack value isn't as big a deal as the UI would have you believe, and most hand cannons have similar impact with a variance of, at most, 20%. Snipers can have wildly different impact stats, so the ones with the best impact are usually your go-to weapons.

That seems more like an oversight then an intentional design choice :P

Dat impact doe.

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But this is irrelevant is PvP

So LDR is only really better because PvE, right ?

Then stability and RoF is king in PvP

Well, yes, but this entire thread has been about PvE. I doubt they'll ever introduce a sniper that has enough impact to kill with one body shot in PvP.

Gozen-C can do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-RKlqq6vrA

That's with the Final Round perk. You have to burn ammo for it.

Other (better) snipers with the same Impact rating and Final Round should be able to do it as well.

I still use pocket infinity on fire shield wizards sometimes; it's nice to just hold down the trigger and watch them go away.

I used Final Boss as my main sniper of choice in Vault of Glass, but I stopped once I got the LDR. Final Boss still has some pretty intense recoil, but the LDR just can't be beat against Atheon. Time's Vengeance combined with Weapons of Light = 18,900 damage to Atheon. It also decimates Knights in the Crota Raid.

I don't usually snipe in Crucible, but I still prefer to use my LDR since I'm comfortable with it. I should probably just use Praedyth's Revenge, but I never do. I suppose if sniping were higher on my priority list I would.

But this is irrelevant is PvP

So LDR is only really better because PvE, right ?

Then stability and RoF is king in PvP

Yup, which is why Praedyth's revenge rules PvP.

I need that sniper so much

I'm a raid virgin

I favor the Final Boss over the LDR. Mine came with Armor Piercing rounds, so I've never really had to look to another sniper. It's King in the sniping domain, though Praedyth's revenge is not too far behind (PR is much more noob-friendly, since it has a large clip, high fire rate, and excellent stability).

If you're using a sniper in PvE and it's not an exotic or PR, you're doing it wrong.

Is it that useful? I've never been lucky enough to roll a Sniper with AP rounds. I know the Vanguard LDR has them, but I already have an Arc LDR with Field Scout, Outlaw and ... Something I dont remember.

I like it a lot, being the point. Is it worth buying another one just for AP rounds?

I think some of this snipers vs. fusion rifles debate comes down to one's ability to use sniper rifles, at least for me. I don't hit things reliably with sniper rifles, so given the choice I'll always go fusion, unless my targets are too far away.

There's also survival to consider for the burn-enabled nightfalls/weeklies. For an un-skilled sniper like me, in the time it takes to pop around a corner, find a target, and line up a sniper rifle shot, I'm probably dead (Patience and Time being a possible exception, but only if I'm very careful about the timing). With a fusion rifle, once I have a rough idea where the target is, I start charging, pop out, and fire. The time I'm exposed is much less. I think a sniper could be just as effective, were I able to make quick shots reliably. But I'm not.

I do have an Ice Breaker because the tactical options it offers are just too much to ignore, and for reasons I'm not 100% sure of, I don't seem to have nearly as much trouble hitting with it as with other rifles. Something about the scope and/or the level of aim assist on that one seems to suit me more.

I still use them, but I'm also bad at sniping.

Generally I just close quarters and kill everything with Doctor Nope or melees, and save the fusion rifle for shields.

I bring sniper rifles along for boss fights.

If you're using a sniper in PvE and it's not an exotic or PR, you're doing it wrong.

That's a bit much. My Arc Final Boss has served me well, considering I'm just an awful sniper. And Praedyth's Revenge is just going to be better since it's more stable, though the Arc one has perks I like vs. bosses.

And I got the Solar one from the Cruciblebot but I haven't used it much, so it's name eludes me.

If you're using a sniper in PvE and it's not an exotic or PR, you're doing it wrong.

I disagree about as hard as you can. LDR 5001 is like having an icebreaker without using an exotic slot. That way I can use it and Gjallarhorn at the same time. Fatebringer / LDR / Gjallarhorn is pretty unbeatable in the Death Singer / Crota fight portion of the raid. On the bridge, it's Mythoclast / LDR / Hunger of Crota.

Elsewhere it's great because you get green ammo packs a lot, so Icebreaker's regen ability isn't needed. I only really use Icebreaker on the gatekeeper and Atheon fight, due to the fact you DON'T get green ammo drops. If I had a Black Hammer, there'd be nowhere I'd want to use icebreaker.

Is it that useful? I've never been lucky enough to roll a Sniper with AP rounds. I know the Vanguard LDR has them, but I already have an Arc LDR with Field Scout, Outlaw and ... Something I dont remember.

I like it a lot, being the point. Is it worth buying another one just for AP rounds?

Maybe not. I only got it because my other LDR was void. It's really really nice to shoot stuff through walls and to headshot two knights at once, but you only get 4 shots (5 if clown cartridge activates) . It's a tradeoff.

They are special use weapons (surprise!) for me, and only suit particular areas just like shotguns and snipers. Since I use an assault rifle I don't often have a sniper rifle equipped unless it's something akin to the Archon Priest strike. Thus I'm often holding whichever fusion rifle will be needed for heavier enemies on a given level, particularly if it compliments my primary elemental. The most often used is a solar primary and an arc fusion.

I still find fusion rifles to be the best for picking damage off a boss or taking down shields. Bonus for a boss like Omnigul, where popping her shields with a fusion is far safer. If ammo allows, I often switch to a rocket launcher, but rarely does 7 rockets take a boss down more than half way.

Is it that useful?

Maybe not completely useful... but it sure is fun shooting Omingul through stuff on that dang stike. Or shooting that night that spawns to the right of where you enter her room.

Upsettingly, my Armour Piercing Fusion rifle doesnt seem to go through that wall/door.

#preordercancelled etc.

The "wallhack" armor piercing rounds only apply to snipers IIRC.

He has shot me through that door a few times. I reported him for tampering.

You know the one. When you enter Omnigul's final encounter building and look down that first corridor, there are two double doorways: one in front of you, and the other to the left of that front door. Through the one in front of you, across Omnigul's chamber and up a short stair to the back catwalk of the room, there's that damn yellow-health-bar Ultra Knight.

I have a question about that Knight: when he puts up his black-mirror-shield thing, can you shoot through it, regardless of weapon? I've tried it with numerous guns, and they'll shoot through his shield, but only his shield, of all the knights in the encounter. Has anyone else noticed this? It works with machine guns, scout rifles, handcannons, even the mythoclast sometimes.

I find my Icebreaker will not only shoot through it but actively destroy the shield with Solar burn, and sometimes without. Does the shield have a health meter? Or is it the explosion-on-death triggering (much like Bad Juju's String of Curses procs on Knight Shields) that destroys it?

This also happens in Crota's End during the Ir Yut fight (which I solo'd last night. Painful), but seemingly nowhere else.

I still use mine regularly since I really don't have anything else worth replacing it (i.e. black hammer, ice breaker). I did get the light of the Abyss and love it. Works great in PVP and Raids/strikes. In PVP I'm able to no sight kill players from very far away. Definitely glad it dropped for me!

Pocket Infinity is still my go-to gun whenever I'm tired of over-LP'ed enemies. Hell, it has saved my ass more times than any Void sniper in the opening of the VoG.