If only the Traveller had restored Mars to this (Destiny)

by scarab @, Friday, March 06, 2015, 16:10 (3797 days ago)

Beautiful dreams.

There is even a video.

Which would you prefer in game: arid Mars or Ocean Mars?

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If only the Traveller had restored Mars to this

by Funkmon @, Friday, March 06, 2015, 17:22 (3797 days ago) @ scarab

I like ocean mars! But, Venus seems to work like ocean Mars, so I'm cool with that.

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If only the Traveller had restored Mars to this

by Durandal, Friday, March 06, 2015, 18:54 (3797 days ago) @ Funkmon

There was concept art of Mars with rusted aircraft carriers, so perhaps the Traveler did, and the antimatter weapons undid much of her work.

"But that doesn't seem like that much," you say.

by Dagoonite, Somewhere in Iowa, lost in a cornfield., Friday, March 06, 2015, 23:11 (3797 days ago) @ scarab

Preface: I WANT THAT! I WANT THAT MARS! But then it wouldn't be instantly recognizable as Mars.

I flashed this to a friend who commented that having the percentage equivalent of the Atlantic doesn't sound like a lot compared to Earth. Well... true, technically. Compared to Earth, where most of the surface is water, it isn't that much. But that's the rub -- some astronomers argue that Earth could be counted as a water world for that very same reason. Which puts us in a slightly different category, really.

But let's assume that the Traveler did, in fact, put that much water there, but it was lost due to fighting, like Durandal suggested. I want you to think about that for a brief moment. Gravity seems about normal on Mars. The traveler would have compensated for solar wind most likely, so that the atmosphere and water it laid down wouldn't disappear quickly. Temperatures seem about nominal, which means a rather impressive greenhouse, right?

So the Traveler made gobs of water (as comets wouldn't suffice due to deuterium content), made the core of Mars quite more dense than even Earth to even out the gravity due to size differences, liquified those metals (most likely with radioactive materials, again, like Earth, which also means putting gobs of radioactive materials into the core), and then moved on to the more difficult planets. Because, yes, that's still the easiest planet to fiddle with.

My mind boggles over the space magic involved. Traveler, I am impress.

(Bonus random factoid: The Earth at one point counted as a jungle world, as most of the landmass was covered in thick jungles. Wow. Science is neat!)

"But that doesn't seem like that much," you say.

by scarab @, Saturday, March 07, 2015, 05:33 (3797 days ago) @ Dagoonite

Maybe the Traveller can do a teleport trick: space warp, time warp.

Maybe he can bring two places close together in space and time to transfer heat from a hot place to a colder - borrow some big bang heat or star heat and just warm up the planet core. Take some orbiting ice rings, heat and dump them over the Mars surface.

I don't know how the Traveller would get the molten core spinning but if it could then a magnetic field could be re-established.

Or could it join two places and borrow some of Jupiter's or the sun's magnetic field?

Or could it transfer angular momentum from some other spinning body? It could change planetary rotations to give them 24 hour days.

But let's face it: Bungie is happy to arm wave space magic so why not use it to give us that Mars.

Another possibility, brought to you by Worm.

by Dagoonite, Somewhere in Iowa, lost in a cornfield., Saturday, March 07, 2015, 12:45 (3796 days ago) @ scarab

Time travel requires a lot of energy, no matter how you cut it. Wormholes require quite a bit, too. You know what else requires gobs of energy? Breaching dimensions.

Imagine a thousand alternate planets (what's the plural for Mars?). Now imagine a small breach in the core of our Mars, one that overlaps all these planetary bodies. A stable breach might cause a serious effective change in not only density, but also a great deal of heat. This restarts the core(s), allowing the lucky version of the planet that the breach manifests in to have a far stronger magnetosphere than would normally be possible. (Sure, this depends on the Many Worlds Theory, but whatever.)

For those of you who have read Worm, congratulations! Mars is now an Endbringer!*

Interestingly, this would also allow the Traveler access to the very energy necessary to perform these feats. Once you change "space magic" to "dimensional space magic"...

"Hello, sapients. Look at your space magic, now back to mine. Now back at your space magic, now back to me. Sadly, your space magic isn’t mine, but if you started using dimensional space magic, it could be like mine. Look down, back up, where are you? You’re on Venus, lush with jungles due to shunting of atmosphere. What’s in your hand, back at me. I have it, it’s a sapient drone capable of bringing the dead back to life and opening doors. Look again, Mercury is now a garden world. Anything is possible when you use dimensional space magic. I’m on a horse.”

* I am not responsible for getting anyone hooked on the best and longest superhero story I've ever read.

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Another possibility, brought to you by Worm.

by Quirel, Sunday, March 08, 2015, 07:32 (3796 days ago) @ Dagoonite

For those of you who have read Worm, congratulations! Mars is now an Endbringer!*

* I am not responsible for getting anyone hooked on the best and longest superhero story I've ever read.

Worm... interesting. That name has been cropping up on the Spacebattles forums of late.

Not sure if I'm going to read through all thirty arcs. Sounds a lot like Heroes.

Another possibility, brought to you by Worm.

by Dagoonite, Somewhere in Iowa, lost in a cornfield., Sunday, March 08, 2015, 12:57 (3795 days ago) @ Quirel

That name has been cropping up on the Spacebattles forums of late.

Not sure if I'm going to read through all thirty arcs. Sounds a lot like Heroes.

Of late? I'm pretty sure it got its first spark of popularity there. Well, there and TV Tropes.

Honestly, it's not actually very many Heroes. Villains, on the other hand...

It's really not that bad, surprisingly. It does wear on at the end, with the last two or three arcs starting to wear on you, and it takes a while to ramp up -- about the ABB arc, maybe the Endbringer arc being where it hits its stride, and it doesn't slow down for quite some time. There are quite a few capes to keep track of, but the author does a good job of making them each distinctive and easily recognizable.

I'll also be the first one to admit, the author has problems writing teenagers. This is important since the main character starts off at 15 years old, but frequently reads like she's 30. The most teenager-ish of the main cast is the plucky comedy relief, which is annoying.

But it's also one of those books that takes its subject matter seriously, and you see the honest psychological issues with being a hero or a villain. One character's powers triggered when her foster mother tried to drown her dog as punishment, leading to the mother's death. The character ran afterwards, and is rather severely messed up for it; she can't read or write due to the young age when her powers developed, has no chance of maintaining a secret identity, and has interpersonal issues like you wouldn't believe. You don't see that a lot, really. Usually in fiction, people forced into a life of crime since childhood become savvy criminals with glamorous lives.

I also like the care at which almost all characters are presented with. One gang of superpowered criminals are white supremacists, and we get to see inside a couple of their heads. Interestingly, they're presented as people with all the good and bad that comes with it. In a way, it's the good parts about them that make the horrible beliefs even worse; you could like these people if they weren't so focused on something so nasty. It never glamorizes those beliefs, but shows it for how ugly it is while still allowing the character to be a human without being a caricature.

Just be forewarned that if you do start reading it, things get worse. Things always get worse, and the author tends to end chapters and arcs in a cliffhanger.

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Another possibility, brought to you by Worm.

by Quirel, Thursday, March 12, 2015, 16:49 (3791 days ago) @ Dagoonite

Honestly, it's not actually very many Heroes. Villains, on the other hand...

=D

It's really not that bad, surprisingly.

You say you don't want blame, but will you accept thanks? It's a good story. It's a great story. It's an addictive, well-written story that I can't put down. On my breaks at work or in the car before and after my shift, out comes the phone so I can read just a little bit more about this awesome, tenacious, clever little villain. Hell, this post is a day late because I had a choice of writing out a thanks to you for turning me onto Worm, or reading about the fight with Bakuda.

It does wear on at the end, with the last two or three arcs starting to wear on you, and it takes a while to ramp up -- about the ABB arc, maybe the Endbringer arc being where it hits its stride, and it doesn't slow down for quite some time.

Bakuda. Just... Bakuda.

The first fight with Lung was great. The second fight was awesome, even if the author broke the rules of writing first-person-perspective.

But Bakuda stole the show. While it was on fire, bolted down, and doused in containment foam. Just... wow. She was a narcissist with a heaping dose of pride, and most writers would have made that her undoing. She'd overlook something important or dismiss it outright as a threat to her, or she'd give the protagonists a fighting chance.
Except she was smart. Smart enough to learn from other villains' mistakes, smart enough to make the mere act of getting away from her nigh impossible, and tough enough to survive multiple setbacks. The Undersiders were lucky just to survive!

Prideful, smart, and genial enough to run around in a Bomberman costume? Probably one of my favorite villains.

There are quite a few capes to keep track of, but the author does a good job of making them each distinctive and easily recognizable.

The author is pretty damn creative with superpowers too.

I love how none of the characters are expies of established superheroes. Armsmaster's introduction gave me a general impression of Batman, but this impression was thoroughly erased once I read more about his motivations and modus operandi. Miss Militia had a mild Wonder Woman vibe that was so inconsequential that I don't know why I'm bringing it up.

Skitter, most of all, reminds me of Spiderman if Spidey was genderflipped and took a different route after becoming a superhero. But her powers are different, and awesome. Seriously, I'm still geeking out at the sheer munchkin utility she gets from controlling insects.

I'll also be the first one to admit, the author has problems writing teenagers. This is important since the main character starts off at 15 years old, but frequently reads like she's 30.

That's not so much of a minus in my book. Generally, teenagers aren't mature enough to don masks and go fight evil. I see the bump in maturity as a writing convention, like how the main characters aren't paranaturally durable but take hits and make jumps that would cripple a normal person with pain. The author could write a fight scene and limit the combat to what a fifteen-year-old can handle, but it'd be subdued and rather bland. Similarly, Taylor could be written with the maturity typical of her age, but you'd lose the analytic prose that makes the story so engaging in the first place.

I'll admit, it really got jarring with Vista, who is coping with the aftermath of the Leviathan's assault remarkably well for a twelve-year-old. Seriously, what kind of middle-schooler says something like "Yeah. But you can't let it consume you. If you really don't like Weld, you don't have to force yourself to get along with him. But don't stay like this. Don't stay angry."

And no, the Archive doesn't count. She ain't really a twelve-year-old. =P

The most teenager-ish of the main cast is the plucky comedy relief, which is annoying.

If you're talking about Regent, he doesn't quit strike me as plucky. Not comic relief either.

*Reads a few more chapters*

You are definitely not talking about Regent.

But it's also one of those books that takes its subject matter seriously, and you see the honest psychological issues with being a hero or a villain.

The fact that supers need traumatic events to unlock their powers is actually played very well. It explains why there's more villains than capes, and provides a reasonable justification for why so many of the heroes are jerkasses with the law on their side.

Just be forewarned that if you do start reading it, things get worse. Things always get worse, and the author tends to end chapters and arcs in a cliffhanger.

Just so long as it's closer to Catch-22 than The Walking Dead, I'm good.

Red Mars, Blue Mars, they could have both.

by scarab @, Saturday, March 07, 2015, 05:38 (3797 days ago) @ scarab

We already have time travel. FWC have already called it. Why not widen the war to multiple timelines. Use the Traveller as a time machine and let us go back 4 billion years to fight the Vex as they try to establish their planetary machines.

Who wants to see Mars as it was 4 billion years ago?

Who wants to see Dinosaurs for real?

by scarab @, Saturday, March 07, 2015, 05:39 (3797 days ago) @ scarab

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Could our Guardians ride them into battle against the vex?

by Robot Chickens, Saturday, March 07, 2015, 15:12 (3796 days ago) @ scarab

Please?

Yes and you don't need to grind them first or wear a special

by scarab @, Saturday, March 07, 2015, 15:14 (3796 days ago) @ Robot Chickens

helmet.

Though you can if you want.

The Titan special helmet...

by Dagoonite, Somewhere in Iowa, lost in a cornfield., Saturday, March 07, 2015, 19:41 (3796 days ago) @ scarab

Allows Strikers to use Fist of Havoc with their dinosaurs. The size and damage have been scaled up appropriately, of course. Expect a nerf within a month.

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All those unremarkable bones

by Durandal, Monday, March 09, 2015, 12:08 (3794 days ago) @ Dagoonite

The Akahambra are just intelligent raptors anyway. That is why all the guardians liked them so much, because dinosaurs.

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