
Would anyone of you help me support this thought? (Destiny)
by musicalwahine808, Hawaii, Saturday, March 21, 2015, 01:27 (3783 days ago)
https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/110310549/0/0
https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/109198755/0/0/1
No Destiny OST CD (only crap mp3) for audiophiles-musicolics... no release of Music of the Spheres complete symphonic and choral suite in eight movements? Why? These would sell like hot cakes, my mom would be the first to buy it lol.
I feel so disheartened about not being able to get straight answers on this, such waste of art.
Not doing this out of spite or anything, the Maestro is gone and we all have to move on, but such a waste of art. TAKE MY MONEY BUNGIE!

Gotta say I'm a little confused.
by iconicbanana, C2-H5-OH + NAD, Portland, OR, Saturday, March 21, 2015, 03:01 (3783 days ago) @ musicalwahine808
edited by iconicbanana, Saturday, March 21, 2015, 03:09
https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/110310549/0/0
https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/109198755/0/0/1No Destiny OST CD (only crap mp3) for audiophiles-musicolics... no release of Music of the Spheres complete symphonic and choral suite in eight movements? Why? These would sell like hot cakes, my mom would be the first to buy it lol.
I feel so disheartened about not being able to get straight answers on this, such waste of art.
Not doing this out of spite or anything, the Maestro is gone and we all have to move on, but such a waste of art. TAKE MY MONEY BUNGIE!
Not entirely sure why you're upset with the mp3 here; it's available on amazon and I can't honestly say there's much difference between compact disc and digital (you're not going to find an LP of Destiny's OST). So....welcome to the forum?
For real. CD and mp3 are basically the same thing.
Ah hell, I'm feeding the troll, amn't I?

Yes, MP3s are virtually identical.
by Funkmon , Saturday, March 21, 2015, 08:58 (3783 days ago) @ iconicbanana
I own CDs and records, but I blind tested myself with a pretty good speaker system, and there's no difference between ~200 kbps VBR MP3 and CD. You can hear the difference in records, that's for sure, but mostly due to the obviousness of a record playing, not the technically superior potential quality.
But on a really good system?

*Properly encoded MP3s are *audibly the same *to humans
by RC , UK, Saturday, March 21, 2015, 13:31 (3783 days ago) @ Kermit
MP3 isn't a bad encoding scheme in itself, and it needn't make the audio sound any different to humans. All lossy encoding schemes start by throwing away the stuff that no-one can hear anyway. Then packing-up all the redundant data. You start to get audible differences where it is forced into bitrates that are simply too low to represent the content.
MP3s past was plagued by low-quality encoders that didn't even do a good job with the bitrate limits they were given.

*Properly encoded MP3s are *audibly the same *to humans
by Cody Miller , Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Saturday, March 21, 2015, 22:51 (3782 days ago) @ RC
MP3 isn't a bad encoding scheme in itself, and it needn't make the audio sound any different to humans. All lossy encoding schemes start by throwing away the stuff that no-one can hear anyway. Then packing-up all the redundant data. You start to get audible differences where it is forced into bitrates that are simply too low to represent the content.
Or when you recompress them again, so you can play them on some other device. That's why having your CD as your master is the best.

Yep, generation loss kills quality
by RC , UK, Sunday, March 22, 2015, 11:24 (3782 days ago) @ Cody Miller
Or when you recompress them again, so you can play them on some other device. That's why having your CD as your master is the best.
The compressor can't tell the difference between the original signal and compression 'noise' because the data is gone. CD or a lossless format (like FLAC) are essential to have access to in order to preserve quality into the future. Or a service that keeps the lossless formats and re-encodes it to new formats/devices for you.
It really was a big problem in the MP3 player boom. Fortunately the format wars have settled down and modern devices have better format support (including Lossless forms) and bigger storage capacities.
Yes, MP3s are virtually identical.
by marmot 1333 , Saturday, March 21, 2015, 14:08 (3783 days ago) @ Funkmon
I'd be curious to read about how you performed your blind test.
I can definitely tell the difference between a 128k mp3 and a CD. Things like cymbal shimmer and hi hats are relegated to some noisey hiss on low-quality encodings.
One other problem with mp3 is not the encoding, but the decoding at play-time. Reconstructing the audio frequencies from bits that aren't truly represented in the mp3 creates some noticable differences.
All of this is negated by the fact that most people listen to music on tiny earbuds through their phones (both of which have limited audio fidelity) while traversing noisy environments with lots of background noise.
All that being said, I totally support the sale of physical CDs for the soundtrack.

Yes, MP3s are virtually identical.
by Xenos , Shores of Time, Saturday, March 21, 2015, 14:16 (3783 days ago) @ marmot 1333
I'd be curious to read about how you performed your blind test.
I can definitely tell the difference between a 128k mp3 and a CD. Things like cymbal shimmer and hi hats are relegated to some noisey hiss on low-quality encodings.
I think this is going to be where your issue is. Usually the gap between 128 and 256 mp3s are where you can start telling the difference (which is why pretty much everyone that sells mp3s uses at least 256 now). 320 is really the point where even audiophiles start having trouble telling the difference.

I'll take a 320 MP3 over Vinyl any day
by CruelLEGACEY , Toronto, Saturday, March 21, 2015, 16:52 (3783 days ago) @ Xenos
Kermit and I have had this discussion before, but I'm a firm believer that Vinyl sounds substantially worse than high-quality digital audio.
The thing is, Vinyl has a distinct, inescapable character. It has a high noise floor, low-end compression, and it rolls off high end frequencies in a way that gives it that "warm" character.
If you like those characteristics, then Vinyl is great. As an audio engineer, I'd rather have total control over how my mix ends up sounding. If I want tighter bass frequencies, I'll mix them that way myself. I can add a little vinyl-hiss if I want to, but it's not forced upon me. At the end of the day, the characteristics of my mixes are all up to me, not the medium my tracks get printed to.
Going back to the 1940s through to the 80s, audio engineers expected with and counted on the qualities of vinyl to influence their mixes. They could get away with harsh sounding guitars and piercing cymbal crashes because they knew the vinyl would "sweeten it up". Then CDs come along, record labels start taking those original masters and putting them onto a medium with more "pure" audio qualities (CDs don't add any character of their own... they perfectly reproduce what you put on them), and the result is a bunch of thin and harsh sounding CDs.
But, at the end of the day, I'm listening to it all on my little earbuds through my iPhone just like so many others :)

Yes, MP3s are virtually identical.
by Kermit , Raleigh, NC, Sunday, March 22, 2015, 07:11 (3782 days ago) @ Xenos
I'd be curious to read about how you performed your blind test.
I can definitely tell the difference between a 128k mp3 and a CD. Things like cymbal shimmer and hi hats are relegated to some noisey hiss on low-quality encodings.
I think this is going to be where your issue is. Usually the gap between 128 and 256 mp3s are where you can start telling the difference (which is why pretty much everyone that sells mp3s uses at least 256 now). 320 is really the point where even audiophiles start having trouble telling the difference.
This.
I'm not quite sure why vinyl keeps getting injected into the conversation--I think of it as part of a different conversation. I do like the experience of listening to music on records, but I would say that: I own 1000 of them. I'm kind of invested. :)

Methodology
by Funkmon , Saturday, March 21, 2015, 18:12 (3783 days ago) @ marmot 1333
edited by Funkmon, Saturday, March 21, 2015, 18:18
The purpose of this experiment was to test my hypothesis that MP3 and CD were functionally indistinguishable, and vinyl is not superior.
First, 9 varying tracks (from my library) were acquired in lossless format. One was jazz, five were rock, one was a hip hop song, one was Bach, and one was an acapella group.
These were transcoded to MP3 via LAME at approximately 200 kilobits per second, then played on a Macintosh using VLC through the speakers in my friend's studio. No deets on that, but they're fantastic.
These were also ripped to a CD and played using VLC on a Macintosh.
Then, 3 of the rock songs, Funeral For A Friend/Love Lies Bleeding, All The Girls Love Alice, and Harmony were on my friend's brand new reissue of Goodbye Yellow Brick Road on Vinyl. He would get the track to start, then play it. We also ripped this audio as the highest quality FLAC, and I suggested we use this as the vinyl sample, but my friend wanted to use real audio from his turntable.
He has a great needle and a balanced turntable. No warping of sound at all.
In testing, he would test me and I would test him. We played 2 minute long intervals of each song starting at the tester's choice, except for Funeral For a Friend, where we listened to the whole thing minus a few seconds at the beginning at random. For vinyl the sound would be muted until a second after playing so as to not influence us with the needle drop
EDIT: Blinding:
We were in another room from the computer and closed our eyes on the honor system. This was only single blinded.
I was able to correctly identify vinyl, but could not tell CD from MP3, getting it correct 10/18 times, and him getting it 9/18 times. I think. I would need to look to find the exact numbers for sure, but I am almost positive this is correct. Vinyl he got correct every time.
We discussed quality of sound, and I agreed that I liked the vinyl mix more, so that aspect of my hypothesis was wrong. The vinyl was better, qualitatively. It sounded different, probably because it was slightly imperfect, as all vinyl is in the real world, which was pleasing.
However, we agreed to our rock musicians' ears, we can not tell the difference at 200kbps target bitrate VBR and CD.
Our conclusion is that while it is technically possible that CD is distinguishable to people with exceptional hearing and exceptional audio systems, for a 57 year old man and me, a 20 something, who both play guitar and listen closely to music, there is no need to use FLAC or 320kbps MP3.
Methodology
by marmot 1333 , Saturday, March 21, 2015, 18:28 (3783 days ago) @ Funkmon
These were transcoded to MP3 via LAME at approximately 200 kilobits per second
These were also ripped to a CD and played using VLC on a Macintosh.
You mean you put the lower-bit rate on the CD, or the lossless?
Sounds pretty cool. Thanks for the long response!

Not to mention there are lossless formats for the nitpicky
by ZackDark , Not behind you. NO! Don't look., Saturday, March 21, 2015, 17:29 (3783 days ago) @ Funkmon
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It's The Physicality.
by Morpheus , High Charity, Saturday, March 21, 2015, 13:15 (3783 days ago) @ iconicbanana
Having music history in your hands feels so much better than such an informal download. I still have all the cases (and more importantly, booklets) from all the old Halo CD's. CD's.
It's the pure intimacy we need.

^same reason people like vinyl
by RC , UK, Saturday, March 21, 2015, 13:21 (3783 days ago) @ Morpheus
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^same reason people like vinyl
by Xenos , Shores of Time, Saturday, March 21, 2015, 13:45 (3783 days ago) @ RC
Yeah I don't think I've even listened to half the vinyls I own, but they look awesome on my wall.

^same reason people like vinyl
by Cody Miller , Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Saturday, March 21, 2015, 16:06 (3783 days ago) @ Xenos
Yeah I don't think I've even listened to half the vinyls I own, but they look awesome on my wall.
So why not make digital Vinyls? You know, that are the size of laserdiscs? :-p

Gotta say I'm a little confused.
by musicalwahine808, Hawaii, Saturday, March 21, 2015, 21:42 (3782 days ago) @ iconicbanana
My experience is different and it may be related to the playback devices or the fact I am comparing older mp3 vs. CD listening. Don't have a preference for a particular style in music; I'll listen to anything out there as long as I like it. The only time I look for lossless music is for classical music which seems to have a much greater dynamic range than anything else. An example would be Zimmer's Dark Knight Rises, O'Donnell's ODST original score or Holts Mars. I have great sound systems in my truck as well as in the office. Plugging an iPod and listening to MP3 vs. inserting a CD is a totally different experience for classical/orchestral music, mostly with parts that include percussion or low bass tones.
The mastering of the music is also a factor in the output. I have no idea how that is done for iTunes or Amazon, seen titles with "Remastered or mastered for..." which I assume would be higher quality files?
That said, and MP3 quality debate aside, there is still no option at all to hear Music of the Spheres anywhere other than excerpts.
I don't know the reasons and will not speculate, but it's a shame regardless.
Obviously a big fan of Marty, his work not only introduced me to video games but also to classical music. Makes me sad to see no answers from Bungie on the release of MotS. Not blaming anyone, just dumbfounded. MotS is a huge chunk of beautiful work, would love to hear it someday.
Would buy in a heartbeat, even as MP3.
;)
Aloha

Gotta say I'm a little confused.
by Ragashingo , Official DBO Cryptarch, Saturday, March 21, 2015, 23:30 (3782 days ago) @ musicalwahine808
The "Mastered for iTunes" and similar labels for other stores aren't about higher quality files, at least not higher bitrates or different compression methods. It's about tweaking things on the front end so the end result sounds better after it passes through Apple's or Amazon's or whoever else's compression pipeline. Ars Technica had a decent article on this and a follow up where they did some listening comparisons.
Overall it seems like working with the songs so they sound better after compression is probably a good thing but as with most subjective audio stuff different people disagree on how much benefit it actually conveys. :)

Gotta say I'm a little confused.
by musicalwahine808, Hawaii, Sunday, March 22, 2015, 02:47 (3782 days ago) @ Ragashingo
Thank for links, good reads. I remember that Pono player debate couple of years back.
Maybe I have dog ears lol, I always hear bats and owls at night, no one else seems to. (Yes, everyone jokes about it being all in my head...)
Regardless, it is a bit odd the soundtrack is not available on CD (usually don't have a problem finding a CD for the music I "subjectively" deem worthy of the purchase) , and still leaves my question about when will Music of the Spheres be available in any format unanswered. It would make a great collector's edition, along with other pieces from The Dark Below and House of Wolves.
Gotta say I'm a little confused.
by Dagoonite, Somewhere in Iowa, lost in a cornfield., Sunday, March 22, 2015, 03:20 (3782 days ago) @ musicalwahine808
Thank for links, good reads. I remember that Pono player debate couple of years back.
Maybe I have dog ears lol, I always hear bats and owls at night, no one else seems to. (Yes, everyone jokes about it being all in my head...)
You aren't alone in that. There are groups that I refuse to listen to because I hear differently than most people, and somehow those groups drive me up the wall with some tone they regularly hit. Even worse, sometimes it isn't the band themselves but the recording process that did it. (Thank you, John Cage for teaching me about that one.)

Gotta say I'm a little confused.
by musicalwahine808, Hawaii, Sunday, March 22, 2015, 04:19 (3782 days ago) @ Dagoonite
XD at the John Cage reference, was just noticing a couple of days ago how I enjoy listening to classical live concerts, you can hear the musicians breathe during a solo, things dropping, people coughing or sighing, random noises that makes it feel more real, as if you were there.
But yes, I agree, different sounds for different people.