Burnout & Content, My Thoughts and Feelings (Destiny)

by Earendil, Monday, March 23, 2015, 17:39 (3781 days ago)

I find it interesting that around here the term for getting tired of Destiny is "Burnout". I'll come back to that thought.

I've been gaming for some number of years now. That number of years is larger than the number of years that a lot of Destiny players have been on earth. I'd never have called myself a hardcore gamer though, and there are significant gaps in my experience with a few omg-you-haven't-played-that games. Still, over all the years across all the genre of all the games I've played, one thing stays pretty consistent, and that is my reason for ceasing to play a game. That reason? There isn't one. I stop playing games without realizing it. I wake up one morning and realize I haven't played a game for a period of time. This is often because a knew game or phase in my life has pushed it out, the joy I find in the new activity is greater, so I actively choose what is more fun, and passively choose to stop playing the game.

People talk about Halo as having huge replay value. Maybe it did for some, but not for me. I played it through once for the story, and once for beating it on Legendary, and then I stopped. I played multiplayer until it was passively phased out by something else, which really wasn't all that long compared to a lot of games. For example, I played Myth: SB for 3-4 years, compared to a Halo game which I was long done with before its sequel came out.

This is true for me in a lot of areas. I used to play ping-pong daily when in college, until one day I realized it had been weeks since I played. Did I hate ping pong? No, I just chose other things.

Back to Burnout. This term is usually applied to something that you used to be engaged in, and now no longer feel engaged in or mentally able to handle, YET there is a desire to stay engaged in, and for which you are still doing. Often this is applied to work, but you can burnout on a particular song, activity, or Destiny. Usually if you ask someone that is burned out on something if the thing in question is bad, they will say no. This is like putting your favorite song on repeat until you are sick of it. Is the song bad? Do you have a new and more negative understanding of the song? Probably not, but you are burned out.

Destiny, it would seem, is causing burnout precisely because it is good, and it is enjoyable. The problem is that, like a favorite song, you can't play the same content over and over and expect to not burn out on it. In fact the problem is that the fun level exceeds the content quantity. We still love playing Destiny for the playing of Destiny, but we're burning ourselves out on content. This does not mean that you are done with Destiny or the song, it just means that you're human, and need to set the content down for a bit. Moderation.

On the subject of Moderation, burnout tends to happen at different rates in different people. Some people can't stand to hear a song twice in a row, other people (particularly little sisters it always seems) can listen to a song 100 times in a row and be just fine. When it comes to strikes, I'm like your little sister. I'm still not tired of them.

Destiny is one of the first games I've actually burned out on. Most games slowly cease to be enjoyable before I'm burned out on content. The newest Dragon age will be like that. Long before I've exhausted the content, I won't find the game enjoyable enough to keep playing. Myth I was never given the opportunity to burn out on due to life changes. Perhaps the only other games I've burned out on are DOTA2 and Civilization. Yet ask me what my top 10 games are and those two will rank high.

I think that burnout is a highly applicable term for what many of us have or are starting to deal with. I don't presume to think that the topic of burnout applies to everyone that plays, or everyone that puts Destiny down. Some of you may have been using the term to mean "sick and tired of this trash", and that's an okay opinion to have. Others haven't used the term, and have instead articulated other reasons for putting Destiny down.

But for those that identify with burnout, I'd like to ask us to recognize it as such. Destiny hasn't become bad or terrible to play. It is absolutely possible to burn out on something you actually love. But don't conflate burnout with hatred for a thing. Put it down for a bit (despite it being fun) and try something else. Give it time or wait for new content. Don't put Destiny on repeat until you're sick.

Final thought: I acknowledge that the other way to look at this is not that Bungie created a game that is more fun than there is content, but instead didn't provide enough content for how fun the game is. Other fun games delivered more content, preventing burnout as fast, or in most cases ever. My thought with that is that those games simply weren't all that fun to play once you had played for a little bit. Other games are a second tier band. Destiny on the other hand is the equivalent of your favorite band releasing a single, and making you wait for the entire Album. It sure would be better if we had the entire Album, but that shouldn't cause us to hate the single that was released because we burned ourselves out.

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by Kermit @, Raleigh, NC, Monday, March 23, 2015, 18:05 (3781 days ago) @ Earendil

Nice post. Let's play a strike soon.

At some point I'm going to play another big game and put Destiny down for a while, but one way I've avoided burnout is to play smaller games like Valiant Hearts, which I really enjoyed.

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by stabbim @, Des Moines, IA, USA, Monday, March 23, 2015, 20:17 (3781 days ago) @ Earendil

Destiny, it would seem, is causing burnout precisely because it is good, and it is enjoyable. The problem is that, like a favorite song, you can't play the same content over and over and expect to not burn out on it. In fact the problem is that the fun level exceeds the content quantity. We still love playing Destiny for the playing of Destiny, but we're burning ourselves out on content. This does not mean that you are done with Destiny or the song, it just means that you're human, and need to set the content down for a bit. Moderation.

This is all true. The gameplay is good enough to keep us playing, and at some point we run out of things to do.

I think it's also partly because there are items people think they need to have, that they keep playing to try to obtain. Halo games (mostly) didn't have this problem, and consequently people stopped playing organically, whenever they happened to find something else that drew their attention more. I'm not trying to sound like a Cody repeat, but I do think the whole concept of random items/rewards tends to keep people playing longer than they otherwise would have, and as a consequence players become more aware of that burned-out feeling.

That doesn't mean I expect it to change, but it's something we as players should be aware of. There came a time where I had to stop playing Borderlands 2, for much the same reason. I'm still playing Destiny because its basic mechanics are much better, and because I have more friends who play it.

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by Kahzgul, Monday, March 23, 2015, 20:31 (3781 days ago) @ Earendil

I think you've nailed the burnout factor here. The game is fun, and you want to keep playing, but...

- You've done everything in the current game and are burned out on that content.
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- The way items level up and gear is rewarded, the small things you haven't done (like max out all of your weapons or get a Gjallerhorn to finally drop) take a huge amount of time that is spent doing precisely the things that have burned you out.

The lack of content, combined with the punishing RNG loot system, combined with the lengthy weapon exp leveling system result in the player feeling forced into repetitive content loops that the player burned out on long ago. The result is not fun, even though these things were fun the first few times the player did them.

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by nico, Monday, March 23, 2015, 23:24 (3780 days ago) @ Kahzgul

Good post. I think one easy trap to fall in is the loot system -- when the playing itself becomes a secondary incentive, and the primary incentive is increasing a faction reputation, trying to get an item, or getting an achievement, that is in my mind the surest path to losing enjoyment for the basic gameplay.

I too wish there were more content -- while I don't get bored of traveling throughout the Moon, it would be nice if there were 30, 60 zones instead of eight or nine. Games like Fallout 3, or even World of Warcraft (circa The Burning Crusade) felt like they hit a good balance of "explorable territories" while not making a world incomprehensibly big.

You make a great point that the basic gameplay is enjoyable, and that's probably the hardest hurdle a game developer has to overcome, even though I don't think a lot of game developers today give it as much thought as they should.

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Mods should sticky/tag this for reference. Excellent Post.

by INSANEdrive, ಥ_ಥ | f(ಠ‿↼)z | ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ| ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, Tuesday, March 24, 2015, 12:30 (3780 days ago) @ Earendil

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by CyberKN ⌂ @, Oh no, Destiny 2 is bad, Tuesday, March 24, 2015, 14:54 (3780 days ago) @ Earendil

Destiny on the other hand is the equivalent of your favorite band releasing a single, and making you wait for the entire Album. It sure would be better if we had the entire Album, but that shouldn't cause us to hate the single that was released because we burned ourselves out.


I don't follow the music scene at all. Have bands started charging you the full price of an album for a single, and then also charging you for each subsequent single? Because I would stop buying that band's music if that was the case.

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by kidtsunami @, Atlanta, GA, Tuesday, March 24, 2015, 15:02 (3780 days ago) @ CyberKN

Destiny on the other hand is the equivalent of your favorite band releasing a single, and making you wait for the entire Album. It sure would be better if we had the entire Album, but that shouldn't cause us to hate the single that was released because we burned ourselves out.

I don't follow the music scene at all. Have bands started charging you the full price of an album for a single, and then also charging you for each subsequent single? Because I would stop buying that band's music if that was the case.

I'd adapt this point to say that we've got the Album and now the DLC is b-sides/between album Singles because those are definitely things and they make more sense than charging an Album price for a single.

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by Kahzgul, Wednesday, March 25, 2015, 16:15 (3779 days ago) @ kidtsunami

If you really want to stick with this metaphor, the album we bought has two songs on it and then one 40-minute loop of "doop dee doo" over and over and over and over. Allegedly at some point in the track someone yells "Gjallerhorn!" but I haven't heard it yet and I keep replaying it hoping to hear the guy yelling, but somehow seem to always miss it.

Point is, I'm a little salty about the quality of the album.

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Now I want someone to actually make that song. :p

by Ragashingo ⌂, Official DBO Cryptarch, Wednesday, March 25, 2015, 16:21 (3779 days ago) @ Kahzgul

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