PvE -> PvP (Destiny)

by petetheduck, Monday, May 04, 2015, 13:45 (3737 days ago)

I almost exclusively play PvE, but I'm very interested in Trials of Osiris. While my scout rifles serve me well in PvE, I'm at a bit of a loss when selecting weapons for Crucible.

So, limiting weapon selection to weapons you can obtain in PvE: Raid weapons, PvE vendor weapons, and Exotics, what weapons would you PvP aficionados recommend for Trials of Osiris, which they have stated features some form of Iron Banner's "power matters"?

I've had some success with Red Death, but that locks down my Exotic and then I'm left with meh for my secondary and heavy.

PvE -> PvP

by ChrisTheeCrappy, Monday, May 04, 2015, 13:48 (3737 days ago) @ petetheduck

Oversoul Edict, the Auto pulse rifle from Crota, is a fast kill even if not all heads shots (3-5 burst I believe, depending on number of head shots assuming all rounds hit).


If you have a FAST scout rifle that you are accurate with, it may be alright.

For the People and Up for Anything are decent Auto Rifles (I actually do better with them then Suros for some reason).

Most Hand Cannons that have any range are good.


Note that most people use the exotic in the Primary slot though, especially with the new ammo changes as it is kind of a waste in any other slot unless you are amazing with the other weapon.

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PvE -> PvP

by Cody Miller @, Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Monday, May 04, 2015, 14:04 (3737 days ago) @ ChrisTheeCrappy

Most Hand Cannons that have any range are good.

Ascend a vendor Devil You Know and you've got a hand canon sniper basically!

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PvE -> PvP

by bluerunner @, Music City, Monday, May 04, 2015, 15:32 (3736 days ago) @ Cody Miller

Most Hand Cannons that have any range are good.


Ascend a vendor Devil You Know and you've got a hand canon sniper basically!

I used mine quite a lot in this Iron Banner and it worked great. It's a great PvP hand cannon.

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hand.isnotcanon.net

by RaichuKFM @, Northeastern Ohio, Monday, May 04, 2015, 17:40 (3736 days ago) @ Cody Miller

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Ha.

by Ragashingo ⌂, Official DBO Cryptarch, Monday, May 04, 2015, 18:31 (3736 days ago) @ RaichuKFM

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PvE -> PvP

by unoudid @, Somewhere over the rainbow, Monday, May 04, 2015, 13:56 (3737 days ago) @ petetheduck

Fatebringer is a pretty good Hand Cannon for PvP. Either of the raid Pulse Rifles are legit options also. Raga does really well with Three Little Words (not sure if this is vanguard or crucible vendor). Red Death is also a great weapon to use.

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PvE -> PvP

by iconicbanana, C2-H5-OH + NAD, Portland, OR, Monday, May 04, 2015, 13:58 (3737 days ago) @ unoudid

Fatebringer is a pretty good Hand Cannon for PvP. Either of the raid Pulse Rifles are legit options also. Raga does really well with Three Little Words (not sure if this is vanguard or crucible vendor). Red Death is also a great weapon to use.

Once you can ascend it, Vision of Confluence will be really solid for this (I still plan on running it with Pocket Infinity/Invective, as long as one of my fireteam members is sniping).

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PvE -> PvP

by Durandal, Monday, May 04, 2015, 14:06 (3737 days ago) @ iconicbanana

I've had success with the Last Word, Thorn, Word of Crota and Chance in PVP. Chance is a FWC HC. I've used the Red Hand but it seems to fire a little too slow and tends to get outshot by Word of Crota.

The Oversoul works great in PVP and might as well be an autorifle.


For the trials, it looks like people won't be rushing in and will have primarily ranged conflicts. I'm working if this will favor Scout Rifles more.

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I think changing loadouts on the fly will be important.

by iconicbanana, C2-H5-OH + NAD, Portland, OR, Monday, May 04, 2015, 14:18 (3737 days ago) @ Durandal

I've had success with the Last Word, Thorn, Word of Crota and Chance in PVP. Chance is a FWC HC. I've used the Red Hand but it seems to fire a little too slow and tends to get outshot by Word of Crota.

The Oversoul works great in PVP and might as well be an autorifle.


For the trials, it looks like people won't be rushing in and will have primarily ranged conflicts. I'm working if this will favor Scout Rifles more.

One game this might be true and the next it might not. Most, if not all, weapons in the game have a stylistic counter. If your opponent is using Thorn or a scout rifle, for instance, engaging at closer ranges with FR's/Shotguns/TLW will be a counter. If they're using the blink shotgun routine, forcing them into choke points with low ceilings and at range will help you counter with snipers/handcannons. Changing your range of engagement and weapons mid-game will go a long way, so start thinking now about what weapons have success for you against other specific weapons/styles.

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I think changing loadouts on the fly will be important.

by Ragashingo ⌂, Official DBO Cryptarch, Monday, May 04, 2015, 14:26 (3737 days ago) @ iconicbanana

I think a team of cloaky Hunters will be devastating... Just have someone on your team make a ruckus in one direction then send in a pair of radar invisible hunters from the other. Win.

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I think changing loadouts on the fly will be important.

by iconicbanana, C2-H5-OH + NAD, Portland, OR, Monday, May 04, 2015, 14:29 (3737 days ago) @ Ragashingo

I think a team of cloaky Hunters will be devastating... Just have someone on your team make a ruckus in one direction then send in a pair of radar invisible hunters from the other. Win.

This is why I didn't want radar. Strats!

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I think changing loadouts on the fly will be important.

by Ragashingo ⌂, Official DBO Cryptarch, Monday, May 04, 2015, 14:41 (3737 days ago) @ iconicbanana

Against me you won't have it! Problem solved! :p

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But the enemy gets a vote...

by Durandal, Monday, May 04, 2015, 18:34 (3736 days ago) @ iconicbanana

Changing up your weapons may not help in certain situations. I can see people holding a corner with a long sight line and disengaging if you get close.

The point is that sneaking close will be difficult in most respects. By moving to engage you put yourself at a disadvantage, both in revealing your position and by moving through your opponent's chosen ground. Shorter range weapons make it easier for opponents to castle in position and corner camp with longer range weapons. By coordinating fire they should be able to knock down one or two people charging, and if they lose one in exchange they are in a better position to res them.

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But the enemy gets a vote...

by iconicbanana, C2-H5-OH + NAD, Portland, OR, Monday, May 04, 2015, 18:39 (3736 days ago) @ Durandal
edited by iconicbanana, Monday, May 04, 2015, 19:09

Changing up your weapons may not help in certain situations. I can see people holding a corner with a long sight line and disengaging if you get close.

The point is that sneaking close will be difficult in most respects. By moving to engage you put yourself at a disadvantage, both in revealing your position and by moving through your opponent's chosen ground. Shorter range weapons make it easier for opponents to castle in position and corner camp with longer range weapons. By coordinating fire they should be able to knock down one or two people charging, and if they lose one in exchange they are in a better position to res them.

I don't think we're necessarily disagreeing.

I thought the ToO stream was a good demonstration of a destiny match. Engagements varied widely in distance, from close to far. On the whole, I don't think there are a great deal of sight lines in Destiny. What there are a great deal of are choke points; and at choke points, you have a wide variance of distance to engage at. Understanding which weapon your opponent has doesn't just dictate your weapon, certainly. It also dictates how close to a choke point you want to engage.

Walking through choke points is what you should avoid doing.

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PvE -> PvP

by bluerunner @, Music City, Monday, May 04, 2015, 15:39 (3736 days ago) @ iconicbanana

Once you can ascend it, Vision of Confluence will be really solid for this

This is my recommendation. It has great range, stability, and impact for PvP, plus the full auto makes it easier for me to keep the sights on moving targets. It's my warlock's primary PvP weapon.

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PvE -> PvP

by Kahzgul, Monday, May 04, 2015, 14:11 (3737 days ago) @ petetheduck

Almost all of the VoG weapons are best in slot or close to it for PvP:

Praedith's Revenge is hands down the best sniper rifle in the game.
Fatebringer is awesome, though Thorn, Hawkmoon, and The Last Word are generally regarded as better.
Found Verdict is the best shotgun in the game.
Corrective Measure is an amazing HMG.

Other great PvP weapons:
- Thunderlord
- Against All Odds (I think this requires crucible marks to buy though, so it may not be an option for you)
- Gjallerhorn
- The SWARM if you still have it... might be the best HMG in the game.
- MIDA Multi-tool

And for you, because you love pulse rifles:
- Red Death (best in slot)
- The Stranger's Rifle (second best in slot imo)
- Oversoul Edict is also very effective.

PvE -> PvP

by Raflection, Monday, May 04, 2015, 15:41 (3736 days ago) @ Kahzgul

strangers rifle

I can really vouche for this gun it is amazing in PvP. Before I got my juju I exclusively played with strangers or 3LWs.

Strangers and rifle is definitely the second best PR for PvP, high rate of fire, fires forth shot if missed, near perfect stability.

Was cruising games finishing easily on 23-26 kills and a 2+ kdr a game on my defender.

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PvE -> PvP

by Chappy, Arlington, VA., Monday, May 04, 2015, 15:46 (3736 days ago) @ Raflection

Does the fact that it's a blue hinder the use of the Stranger's Rifle in the Iron Banner? I would have thought it'd require more shots to do the same damage

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PvE -> PvP

by Kahzgul, Monday, May 04, 2015, 16:12 (3736 days ago) @ Chappy

I would not use it in Iron Banner. Crucible only, I'm afraid.

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PvE -> PvP

by Chappy, Arlington, VA., Monday, May 04, 2015, 16:43 (3736 days ago) @ Kahzgul

Thanks for the confirmation. I'll give it a shot in the crucible sometime, but stick with my MIDA and Red Death tonight :).

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PvE -> PvP

by DiscipleN2k @, Edmond, OK, Monday, May 04, 2015, 16:11 (3736 days ago) @ Raflection

strangers rifle


I can really vouche for this gun it is amazing in PvP. Before I got my juju I exclusively played with strangers or 3LWs.

Strangers and rifle is definitely the second best PR for PvP, high rate of fire, fires forth shot if missed, near perfect stability.

Was cruising games finishing easily on 23-26 kills and a 2+ kdr a game on my defender.

I REALLY hope there's an upgrade path for The Stranger's Rifle somewhere down the line. It never made sense to me that, by the time you got the weapon for completing the main storyline and saving the world...or The Traveler...or whatever the heck you accomplished in The Black Garden, you more than likely already had access to much higher-damage weapons. It's practically obsolete (for everything but Crucible) the second it's placed in your hands :(

-Disciple

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No love for Bad Juju?

by ZackDark @, Not behind you. NO! Don't look., Monday, May 04, 2015, 16:24 (3736 days ago) @ Kahzgul

It's almost as good (if not the same) as Stranger's Rifle and gives you Super faster. AND doesn't need reload, most of the times. If you're a good shot, I recommend Send It or Perfect Balance, if not so much (like me), the extra little bit of Impact from Armor-Piercing helps.

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No love for Bad Juju?

by MacAddictXIV @, Seattle WA, Monday, May 04, 2015, 16:59 (3736 days ago) @ ZackDark

It's almost as good (if not the same) as Stranger's Rifle and gives you Super faster. AND doesn't need reload, most of the times. If you're a good shot, I recommend Send It or Perfect Balance, if not so much (like me), the extra little bit of Impact from Armor-Piercing helps.

I love Bad Juju. I'm still on the fence as to whether it's better than the Crota PR, but all I know is that Bad Juju made this game happen. Also my team mates, they helped to.

No love for Bad Juju?

by Raflection, Monday, May 04, 2015, 18:38 (3736 days ago) @ ZackDark

I think your misunderstood my post, I was saying that before o got juju I only used strangers, now I have it I don't put it down :P

I have a habit of reloading after every kill so I'm still finding it hard to check my juju has restocked lol

Juju is a great gun for PvE and PvP and is wrecking in IB, I'd love to get my hands on red death so I can do my own direct comparison for crucible

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+1

by ZackDark @, Not behind you. NO! Don't look., Monday, May 04, 2015, 18:55 (3736 days ago) @ Raflection

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That extra impact is a lie

by someotherguy, Hertfordshire, England, Tuesday, May 05, 2015, 10:44 (3736 days ago) @ ZackDark

At least it was last time I tested it. Makes no difference to the amount of damage dealt. Same with high caliber and skip rounds.

EDIT: That said it's been a while. It could have been patched/stealth-buffed since. Anyone know?

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I honestly have no idea

by ZackDark @, Not behind you. NO! Don't look., Tuesday, May 05, 2015, 11:28 (3736 days ago) @ someotherguy

But just in case it does, I'm keeping it on. :p

Not like piercing through enemies isn't useful or anything.

PvE -> PvP

by someotherguy, Hertfordshire, England, Tuesday, May 05, 2015, 10:40 (3736 days ago) @ Kahzgul

Found Verdict is the best shotgun in the game.

I realise we're supposed to be talking about PvE weapons, but Felwinter would like a word with you

- The SWARM if you still have it... almost definitely the best HMG in the game.

FTFY. The Crucible Vendor has better TTK, but the Swarm is much more stable - headshot machine.

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PvE -> PvP

by CruelLEGACEY @, Toronto, Monday, May 04, 2015, 15:13 (3737 days ago) @ petetheduck

I almost exclusively play PvE, but I'm very interested in Trials of Osiris. While my scout rifles serve me well in PvE, I'm at a bit of a loss when selecting weapons for Crucible.

So, limiting weapon selection to weapons you can obtain in PvE: Raid weapons, PvE vendor weapons, and Exotics, what weapons would you PvP aficionados recommend for Trials of Osiris, which they have stated features some form of Iron Banner's "power matters"?

I've had some success with Red Death, but that locks down my Exotic and then I'm left with meh for my secondary and heavy.

In my experience, one of the bigger differences between PvE and PvP is the usefulness of Exotic primaries vs Exotic special/heavy weapons. I don't think its an exaggeration to say that 95% of the players I've seen in the Iron Banner this week are using Exotic Primary weapons.

Thorn, Hawkmoon, Red Death, Last Word, Mythoclast, and the occasional Suros or Bad Juju. These weapons seem to stand head and shoulders above all the others.

That said, I've always been a big proponent of the importance of how a weapon "feels" to a player. If there's a legendary hand canon, pulse rifle, or scout rifle that you really enjoy the feel of, you can do just fine. But in terms of potential time to kill, you will be at a disadvantage.

PvE -> PvP

by CaneCutter @, Alabama, Monday, May 04, 2015, 15:41 (3736 days ago) @ CruelLEGACEY

I almost exclusively play PvE, but I'm very interested in Trials of Osiris. While my scout rifles serve me well in PvE, I'm at a bit of a loss when selecting weapons for Crucible.

So, limiting weapon selection to weapons you can obtain in PvE: Raid weapons, PvE vendor weapons, and Exotics, what weapons would you PvP aficionados recommend for Trials of Osiris, which they have stated features some form of Iron Banner's "power matters"?

I've had some success with Red Death, but that locks down my Exotic and then I'm left with meh for my secondary and heavy.


In my experience, one of the bigger differences between PvE and PvP is the usefulness of Exotic primaries vs Exotic special/heavy weapons. I don't think its an exaggeration to say that 95% of the players I've seen in the Iron Banner this week are using Exotic Primary weapons.

Thorn, Hawkmoon, Red Death, Last Word, Mythoclast, and the occasional Suros or Bad Juju. These weapons seem to stand head and shoulders above all the others.

That said, I've always been a big proponent of the importance of how a weapon "feels" to a player. If there's a legendary hand canon, pulse rifle, or scout rifle that you really enjoy the feel of, you can do just fine. But in terms of potential time to kill, you will be at a disadvantage.

I've also had really good luck with Three Little Words. It has the extra precision damage with body shots, high caliber rounds, and third eye. It can kill in two bursts. It's a really good legendary weapon.

Here, have some mildly decent gameplay:

- CC

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PvE -> PvP

by CyberKN ⌂ @, Oh no, Destiny 2 is bad, Monday, May 04, 2015, 16:26 (3736 days ago) @ CaneCutter

I might pick up of these up tonight. It's RoF is ever-so-slightly lower than Red Death, but the slight impact boost and Headseeker probably makes up for it.

PvE -> PvP

by CaneCutter @, Alabama, Monday, May 04, 2015, 16:57 (3736 days ago) @ CyberKN

I might pick up of these up tonight. It's RoF is ever-so-slightly lower than Red Death, but the slight impact boost and Headseeker probably makes up for it.

Yeah, it's definitely a wee bit slow, but it hits like a Mack truck.

- CC

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Raga should be happy

by unoudid @, Somewhere over the rainbow, Monday, May 04, 2015, 16:34 (3736 days ago) @ CaneCutter

I'm going to pick this up before HoW drops. He's been praising this gun for so long that I I'm just going to go ahead and do it.

Raga should be happy

by CaneCutter @, Alabama, Monday, May 04, 2015, 16:58 (3736 days ago) @ unoudid

You totally should! I mean, what else are you doing with all those marks... LOL

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Raga should be happy

by petetheduck, Monday, May 04, 2015, 17:15 (3736 days ago) @ CaneCutter

You totally should! I mean, what else are you doing with all those marks... LOL

- CC

Save them for HoW because Expansion II Vendor weapons can be re-rolled?*

*right? that's a thing, right?

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Raga should be happy

by unoudid @, Somewhere over the rainbow, Monday, May 04, 2015, 17:16 (3736 days ago) @ petetheduck

You totally should! I mean, what else are you doing with all those marks... LOL

- CC


Save them for HoW because Expansion II Vendor weapons can be re-rolled?*

*right? that's a thing, right?

It is. but I can rebuild any marks spent before HoW. I've just been purchasing materials the last few months anyways

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I am happy.

by Ragashingo ⌂, Official DBO Cryptarch, Monday, May 04, 2015, 17:22 (3736 days ago) @ unoudid

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Raga should be happy

by Up North 65 @, Monday, May 04, 2015, 17:59 (3736 days ago) @ unoudid

I got mine from a nightfall drop way back with spray&play + Field scout/high caliber + counter balance and its fun out-sniping snipers with the amount of stagger it has. Plus the sights are better than red death for me.

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Raga should be happy

by unoudid @, Somewhere over the rainbow, Monday, May 04, 2015, 18:20 (3736 days ago) @ Up North 65

It seems that the vendor roll should be good enough. Third Eye will be nice. and Opening up the exotic spot to try other things will be good also.

I can't remember how many pulse rifles I sharded right after TDB dropped. I'm sure there were some great rolls on those before Pulse rifles became good.

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Raga should be happy

by Up North 65 @, Monday, May 04, 2015, 18:22 (3736 days ago) @ unoudid

Its a beast out of the box. I run the cannukle head so third eye is redundant.

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Raga should be happy

by unoudid @, Somewhere over the rainbow, Monday, May 04, 2015, 18:48 (3736 days ago) @ Up North 65

That 4th golden gun shot is too invaluable to switch over.

Legendary PRs are pretty viable, SRs not so much*

by yakaman, Monday, May 04, 2015, 15:36 (3736 days ago) @ petetheduck

* MIDA is an exception, albeit at the cost of the Exotic slot.

I've pretty much copied whatever Ragashingo has said in this regard: Three-Little Words (legendary PR) is fabulous, especially considering the recent boost to PRs. It almost seems unfair - but I'll call you a dirty liar if you quote me on that.

That frees up my exotic for Invective. The ammo-regenerating Invective, that nullifies the secondary ammo nerf.

Together, the battle rifle/shottie combo is hard to top in Halo...wait.

Together, the Three Little Words/Invective combo is hard to top in Crucible.

Just one man's opinion. If you like Red Death but would rather use the exotic slot elsewhere, many legendary PRs will do.

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PvE -> PvP

by Chappy, Arlington, VA., Monday, May 04, 2015, 15:41 (3736 days ago) @ petetheduck

I settled on MIDA Multi-Tool, Found Verdict, and Corrosive Measure this weekend while running Iron Banner. MIDA can be fired quickly and accurately from range, but it's biggest disadvantage is time to kill - 3 head shots kills, but add another bullet for every body shot. It does help me get the 20 headshot bounty done more quickly, though.


I was most often killed by:
Thorn (the lingering burn does just enough damage to kill me after I get to cover)
The Last Word (high impact, terribly fast fire and accurate to mid range)
Red Death (only takes two head shots to kill)
Suros (you can get pretty high fire rates by pulling the trigger once for each shot, and it's still high impact, high accuracy).

I've seen Icebreaker in use on maps with longer ranges (Shores of Time). Preadyth's Revenge as well for the folks using an Exotic primary.

Rocket launchers have been Gjallarhorn and Hunger of Crota, but it's mostly been machine guns (probably because of the bounty. There's not much consistancy there - I've been killed by every machine gun ever sold or dropped in the last couple of days.

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PvE -> PvP

by CyberKN ⌂ @, Oh no, Destiny 2 is bad, Monday, May 04, 2015, 16:31 (3736 days ago) @ Chappy

MIDA can be fired quickly and accurately from range, but it's biggest disadvantage is time to kill - 3 head shots kills, but add another bullet for every body shot.

Wait, really? The Impact seems much lower than the average SR

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PvE -> PvP

by unoudid @, Somewhere over the rainbow, Monday, May 04, 2015, 16:36 (3736 days ago) @ CyberKN

I like using MIDA on my full agility blink shotgun Hunter. I just use it to move around the map faster and then shotgun people. It's really fun to use it on shores of time or other larger maps.

Guns I have been killed by the most in Iron Banner

by Monochron, Monday, May 04, 2015, 16:40 (3736 days ago) @ petetheduck
edited by Monochron, Monday, May 04, 2015, 16:58

In order:

  • Thorn
  • The Last Word
  • Mythoclast
  • Felwinter's Lie
  • Red Death
  • Found Verdict
  • Bad Juju
  • LDR 5001 / Efrideet's Spear
  • (Various other crazy range shotguns)

Hand cannons and shotguns are crazy prevalent at the moment. I use a Last Word and LDR though, because I prefer to not engage as much (read: need to train myself to not engage as much :P)

Guns I have been killed by the most in Iron Banner

by Raflection, Monday, May 04, 2015, 19:21 (3736 days ago) @ Monochron

  • Thorn
  • The Last Word
  • Mythoclast
  • Felwinter's Lie
  • Red Death

This is literally the top 5 PvP weapons in destiny. Although 5th place can be changed to any of the others on your list

Guns I have been killed by the most in Iron Banner

by Monochron, Tuesday, May 05, 2015, 15:44 (3735 days ago) @ Raflection

  • Thorn
  • The Last Word
  • Mythoclast
  • Felwinter's Lie
  • Red Death


This is literally the top 5 PvP weapons in destiny. Although 5th place can be changed to any of the others on your list

Yeah. As it turns out, Destiny players are actually kind of smart at selecting good weapons, ha.

No Hawkmoon? Are you an Xbox person?

by someotherguy, Hertfordshire, England, Tuesday, May 05, 2015, 10:52 (3736 days ago) @ Monochron

Cause blunders been a lot of Hawkmoon, though still not as much as Thorn and Mythoclast.

Yep. At least I have never died to one of them :)

by Monochron, Tuesday, May 05, 2015, 15:45 (3735 days ago) @ someotherguy

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Mida Multi-tool

by red robber @, Crawfish Country, Tuesday, May 05, 2015, 01:13 (3736 days ago) @ petetheduck

For scout rifle lovers, this in one of the best for PvP. Build a hunter set for agility and run circles around your enemies. Third eye is also one of the best perks for PvP and by using this weapon, it will allow you to run Lucky Raspberry or Eye of the Third man for your exotic armor.

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Mida Multi-tool

by unoudid @, Somewhere over the rainbow, Tuesday, May 05, 2015, 03:18 (3736 days ago) @ red robber

I love using MIDA for the speed boost! I'll run it as a max agility blade dancer with blink and a shotgun to cause trouble in the crucible. It's just fun how crazy fast you can get. I'll pair this build with Radiant Dance Machines for the full speed boost at all times. It's strange that when you pop your super that you go back to being slow again.

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