Zero had 32 kills in each win

WORST CASE: XBONE DBO fireteams are not good enough to compete with other 6-person fireteams under Bungie's current matchmaking system.

Zero may be skewing the combat rating high and Matchmaking is giving you high level opponents? (long shot, no one really knows how that shit works anyway).

Other thought: small/bad sample. Sometimes the tilt is real.

Hey... I'm not saying its nice... but...uh... its always an option.

Glad I could help! ;)

MY THEORY: I worry that playing with people spread out all over the West is hurting our competitiveness.

During IB I have been seeing much worse lag as a whole when running a fireteam of 6. I do think part of it has to do with the distance between our fireteam.

I'm in Kansas, Raga is in Texas, North is in a shed in Alaska, Beard is in Portland and then add in some other people to the mix and out locations are spread all over.

I know this isn't the end all reason. But I seem to have better matches when running by myself or one other person compared to a fireteam of 6.

...how much teamwork is in play when the DBO teams play? Is it like "...push middle..." or "...zone A..." callouts, or does it get more sophisticated?

I think everyone here is pretty skilled, but I wonder how many 6-man teams are actually on at a given point? Might some (most?) of them be hard-core team players?

I ask because I have 2 friends that aren't awesome in Crucible, and it seems every time we all play we get crushed. Now, obviously, if they aren't awesome that means maybe we should get beaten, but I feel it might be a bit more than that.

Like, it's putting us against other 3-man teams who probably play together often.

Also, it is possible everyone is tight because we all care so much about what everyone here thinks of us? Or is that only me?

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1) Spread out connections
2) Iron banner does just seem to lag when I have more people
3) More likely to get another group of 6 who are all good and play as a team.
3a) How hard it is to find a team with the same skill range
3b) Groups of 6 are generally try hards

#3 is the main issue. Since we don't all play together (crucible) on a regular basis, we are not very good together and coordinating (I know last time I complained a bit about us NOT talking enough, sorry for getting angry), while the other is most likely not an internet group of friends but a close group of friends who play together consistently and have tactics for each map, etc.

The bad connections and lag just exasperate the issue.

I am in the same boat, I generally go about 2.0 K/D when playing by myself, with no game less than .98 the other day. The second I got another player, I was constantly under 1.0 K/D (don't ask about wins, because even though i would get 2.0, everyone else was .63, .5, so we never had a chance - o and they grabbed A when we had B and C!). So I strongly believe it has to do with how hard it is to find another group within the same skill range.

Hear me out, those really good games are pretty rare, even for me. They only started happening because people are apparently really, really stupid around defender bubbles. Hell, this was the first time I even committed to playing as a defender in Crucible and it was a lot of fun, when it worked, and the other team wasn't destroying us for seemingly no reason, and etc.

But, I digress, to me it feels like a really really bad case of matchmaking conditions that really were screwing us over. For instance, we were doing amazingly well earlier in the week, perhaps during a time when people weren't even bothering with the PvP activities but instead PvE stuff like the Raids and Nightfalls. Everyone else was probably waiting it out for the better buffs later in the week which does make sense. At that time I believe the matchmaking pool wasn't muddied enough with the 'try hards' to place us in those bad matches we did get later in the week.

Ontop of that you also have to consider the time of day we were playing at. It was already past midnight over here on the east coast and getting there for the west so I think at that point it's safe to assume that most of the better matches (for us anyway) had already gone to bed, leaving us with the much more hardcore players. Then there's also the other countries to take into account. I'm sure some of the European players were already up and about on Destiny, as well as the other side of the coin, Asia, which could potentially explain the fairly bad hiccups we experienced.

As for the combat rating, I highly doubt it's just one person dragging the entire team up through the ranks, it doesn't really make sense for a Bungie game. Even though no one knows how the hell it even works, I feel as though we are matched using an average of the combined combat ratings for the team. Sure, it might bump it up a few points, but anything significant seems a bit crazy.

Now control.... If it wasn't control I bet we probably would have done better. A lot of the time, I feel like we were either given disadvantageous spawns on maps that were not built with 6v6 in mind, or the other team were in positions to hold the points better than we could attack them from. Most of the time once they got the lead they ran with it was because they just held 2 of the points better than we could. Take B and C on Shores of Time for example. Those 2 control points are incredibly difficult to capture when the enemy team basically can just spawn back there, in viewing distance of both points and start laying fire, which in turn forces us out of the point while they get a few kills that just add to their score with the 2x Zone bonus. If the gametype was Clash for instance, I feel like we would have had a much better time because of the increased emphasis on kills instead of controlling the zones to get a kill point modifier. (As a note, I would like to say I wished control worked more like territories from Halo)

This probably seems like a bunch of rambling from a guy you've heard pretty frustrated and pissed off with PvP and never actually seen post much on these fourms, but, I do hold that all of this is pretty plausible stuff that should be taken into consideration.

I had a bulk of crucible bounties so I hopped in solo last night and got creamed. One one game in 5, and was top or near top of my team each time. I think I lost one game 9k to 20k. There most certainly was some lag, but on the whole it looked as if my teammates just were not working well together. In several games they just couldn't kill anything and couldn't even get the heavy ammo drops and mindlessly flung themselves into the meatgrinder over and over.

Sometimes you just don't have complimentary play styles, and that does make a difference. The only way to change that is to get practice in together.

From a personal standpoint, this was easily my worst IB week so far. It was my first bad one, actually, since IB is usually my favorite thing to do... I often found myself going negative. I can blame part of that on the heavy TLW/Thorn/Felwinter's presence, but for the most part, I was just straight up sucking... Before this week, I can't think of a day in IB where it took me longer than 2/3 games to get Iron Wrath, but this time, I think I only got that bounty three times at the most. It was rough, and I even gave up my vow to never use Fusion grenades because it was just tough to survive otherwise.

What a week...

Also the lag. Dear God, the lag... Why was the lag so bad in IB?