No one pulled wool over your eyes, or swept the rug out from under you. They said "This is the thing you can buy. It doesn't come with this though" and you said "Yes please, I'll buy that thing".

Exactly. We can all agree that these business practices suck, but we are willing participants who made a purchase with full knowledge of what we were getting. I'm 100% on board with telling Bungie and Activision that this sucks and we're not happy about it. But claiming that it is "unfair" implies (to me, at least) that we've been fooled or manipulated in some way, which simply hasn't happened.

Like others have said - a valid complaint can be made against the business practice as a whole (I'm not a fan, personally), but it's not "unfair". It's frustrating, it fractures the playerbase, and it has the potential to negatively affect the game. But it's not unfair. You knew what you were and weren't getting well in advance, and no one forced you to buy the version you did get (even if it was the only version available to you). No one pulled wool over your eyes, or swept the rug out from under you. They said "This is the thing you can buy. It doesn't come with this though" and you said "Yes please, I'll buy that thing".

So it is fair to charge people on two platforms the same price but to remove (or not add) some content to one of the platforms because of a business deal the player had not part in and no say in? Yes, valid complaints can be made against the practice as a whole, but they can also be made against individual occurrences of that practice. One should go along with the other!

Was I tricked into buy a game with less content? No. But I never claimed that I was. That's you guys bringing up this tricked thing. I said it sucks to be told up front that that you will be getting less content for your money and that is true. And I still think it is fair to say that practice is unfair.

I was misunderstanding your definition of unfair, I guess? You meant you felt robbed, rather than cheated?

I understand, but still, they told you what you'd get for your money, and you said "yeah, okay". If you don't like the deal someone is offering, don't take it.

This idea that telling someone in advance that you plan to offer them a worse deal makes the deal better is silly. All it did, for me, was make me angry at these kind of deals a year early. I accepted the deal because I still knew I would have more fun playing a gimped game than not playing at all for a year... or longer.

Would it help to think of the Playstation content as bonus content that wasn't included in the price of the game (and that you will eventually get)? Also worth remembering: you will eventually get it. Even if you feel like you've already paid for it (you haven't), it's not like you're never going to get it.

Does it help to polish a turd? I suppose so, but it shouldn't be necessary. Besides, show me proof that the Xbox side will get any of these exclusives. All we know right now is they are exclusive for "at least Fall of 2015." Forever is a part of "at least Fall of 2015." Do I really think it will be exclusive forever... No... but there is still that possibility.

All I want is the same amount of content as people who paid the same amount for a game as I did.

Then you shouldn't support companies that engage in this practice by buying their products.

That's really the only way to get our point across here, and it's a game of chicken that Activision knows they can win with Destiny. Much as I dislike the business practice of console-exclusive content, I'm not going to miss playing this game.

All I want is the same amount of content as people who paid the same amount for a game as I did.

Then you shouldn't support companies that engage in this practice by buying their products.

Yeah, shame on me for taking the only deal offered. Where is the shame on the company that offered the deal?! You're focusing your attention on the person that only had one option if he wanted to play Destiny before "at least Fall of 2015" instead of the companies that gimped their product and made deals to offer him that single option.

Did you buy any version of Destiny? If yes, then who are you to criticize others for doing the same?

If I was being a smartass I'd tell you are getting exactly the same as Playstation users - what was advertised to you.

But you really will have the same content eventually. You act like it's been withheld forever. By the end of the year you will have paid the same price and got the same content.

Or so I hope. I don't have a definite answer on that question. Heck, this threadline started because Korny wondered what "at least Fall 2015" actually meant!

Timed exclusives are easily the least painful type of exclusive. It's not like regular exclusives where the choice is "buy a new console or go without". All you have to do is wait. And if waiting is really that unacceptable, don't buy it.

I think it is far better to have complete platform exclusivity. Like I said in postings above, I'm fine with not being able to buy The Last of Us for my platform. I am not fine with Bungie / Activision selling me a copy of Destiny for the same $60 or $150 as someone else but delivering less content to me. Even if they might eventually get the rest to me once some deal maybe expires at some point.

So I think I speak for some of us when I say that that there was indeed a "decision" but that the factors were so skewed in the direction of XBox that is wasn't even really a decision. The prevalent story I've heard is that people couldn't afford to buy a playstation. So when a person is faced with this "decision" what it feels like is there is content that we don't get to play because we didn't have a choice.

To be clear, I'm talking about next-gen console adopters here. If someone is playing on a 360 because they can't afford to buy a new console yet, then yes they didn't have a choice. They did, however, have a choice regarding purchasing Destiny on the 360. They chose to do so knowing full well that they would be getting less content.

I personally could have got a Playstation, but I have never owned any generation of playstation and I don't plan to. I don't like their controllers, I like Xbox controllers. I could have bought a playstation and suffered through it to play the content, but that would have made Destiny less enjoyable. Was it a decision for me? No. Not in the least bit.

But that IS a decision. You made a choice. I totally understand your choice, and it makes perfect sense... but it is a choice, none the less.

It's kind of unfair to say that people who don't have the money to buy an XBone don't have a choice and a person whose preference to buy an xbone over a playstation does have a choice. When in reality it was still the former persons choice to to not allocate money to gaming (unless their net worth is less than the price of an Xbone, in case they shouldn't be gaming in the first place). Everyone has obligations.

Ultimately, because of my preferences, I was given two choices that would give me lesser player experience than other people playing the game. That is what I think is unfair.

But I get penalized for playing a game I like on a console I enjoy playing on.

Unfortunately, you're butting up against a new industry standard: the "semi exclusive". Remember back in the SNES/Genesis days when every other title that was released was exclusive to one console or another? I have never played any of the original Mario, Metroid, Zelda, or DKC games because I was a Sega guy. That doesn't happen nearly as often anymore, but instead we get games like Destiny, CoD... heck, just about every major 3rd party title from the past 5 years. They all come out on every console, but with 1 version or another being treated as "lead platform".

My first console and console game was Halo CE on the xbox...

Going back to my original point though, at least with Destiny we all knew which side Activision was favoring before any of us had purchased new consoles. None of us were trapped.

I actually had no idea. And I guess you could blame that on my lack of research prior to buying an Xbone and Destiny. But There was no one who told me "did you know you are actually going to get less content if you buy it on Xbox one?" when I went to buy it. So I lived in ignorant bliss until I started playing and discussing the game.

And on the flip side: Consider all the Bungie fans who bought Playstation 4s specifically for Destiny, who don't even have some of the exclusive content yet. Most players don't have Hawkmoon or Monty Carlo,

I understand that people on Xbox will eventually get the content. But that doesn't account for the other piece of content that playstation users received: to play the alpha a full week before anyone on Xbox side.

And this is something that really bothered me when it happened. To have to listen to people who got to play the game that I had been waiting to play, get to play it a week in advance? That is not something that can be given to later on.

Early access is a funny thing... at the time, I was thrilled to have it (who wouldn't be, right?). But looking back, if I could erase my time with the Alpha and Beta, I would. It really sapped the wonder and amazement out of those early missions for me when I finally played the retail release. I would never presume to dismiss your frustrations, but I do feel that in the big picture, missing out on the Alpha may actually have been a good thing.

It's not exactly that it was early access, it was the fact that someone else got to play content that I wasn't allowed to play and I was only allowed to hear about it. It's like getting a hand me down toy after watching a sibling play with it for a long time. All you get to do is what them enjoy it until you get a chance to play with it.