How big of an improvement is the Vestian Dynasty over the Crota Quest reward? Instead of some lame piece of armor the murmur, we get a gun that:

-Fits into the story as a sort of "now you're one of the queen's soldiers" deputization.
-Introduces us to a new class of weapons really seemlessly and without a great deal of effort.
-Is given halfway through the new campaign and immediately useful in dealing with new missions.
-Is the same burn as nightfall to help out folks with the first level 32 version.

Big step up from the last DLC's reward. Good job Bungie.

How big of an improvement is the Vestian Dynasty over the Crota Quest reward? Instead of some lame piece of armor, we get a gun that:

-Fits into the story as a sort of "now you're one of the queen's soldiers" deputization.
-Introduces us to a new class of weapons really seemlessly and without a great deal of effort.
-Is given halfway through the new campaign and immediately useful in dealing with new missions.
-Is the same burn as nightfall to help out folks with the first level 32 version.

Big step up from the last DLC's reward. Good job Bungie.

Also, is anyone else excited for this new type of weapon? I for one am NOT a hand cannon user, I can tolerate The Last Word. So when I started using the side arm, I was stoked. And I can't wait for more of it's type.

Also, well done bungie :-)

How big of an improvement is the Vestian Dynasty over the Crota Quest reward? Instead of some lame piece of armor, we get a gun that:

-Fits into the story as a sort of "now you're one of the queen's soldiers" deputization.
-Introduces us to a new class of weapons really seemlessly and without a great deal of effort.
-Is given halfway through the new campaign and immediately useful in dealing with new missions.
-Is the same burn as nightfall to help out folks with the first level 32 version.

Big step up from the last DLC's reward. Good job Bungie.

Also, is anyone else excited for this new type of weapon? I for one am NOT a hand cannon user, I can tolerate The Last Word. So when I started using the side arm, I was stoked. And I can't wait for more of it's type.

Also, well done bungie :-)

I'm just remembering the Murmur. Man, this thing is much better than the Murmur. So much more ready to go, too.

And you can buy it again if you accidentally dismantle it! Improvements!

I think it's great! In PvE it is perfectly designed to help you in the missions. Those tough Arc shields melt to it and it can cancel a Captain's (teleport?) abilities! That's useful on the tougher boss level ones. In PvP it serves as a good substitute to a Fusion Rifle, actually has a bit of range on it, and just plain works as a panic weapon. Plus it completely eliminates worry about finding Special Ammo. Not even Invective could do that! It won't beat a shotgun in close, but I feel it's a lot better for stopping someone getting in close than a pesky charge up fusion rifle.

That and it brings back the classic Halo Primary / Pistol Secondary, which makes me smile. :) <--- (See!)

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Seriously, this thing is a beast, and so much fun to use.

Reminds me of these classics, actually.

I kind of wish you recorded it.

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I'm glad I'm not the only one who called it a Space Glock right away.

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Seriously, this thing is a beast, and so much fun to use.

Seriously seriously? I hate it! My preferred weapon engagement tactic is to get to medium-long range, duck in and out of cover, crit for large amounts of damage and one-shot enemies. This thing feels like a trash auto rifle with only 15 shots (is that right?). If you have to get in close to do damage, why wouldn't you rather use a shotgun and kill in one shot? Please explain how it is good (without arc burn)... I must be using it wrong.

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My preferred weapon engagement tactic is to get to medium-long range,

This I can understand. If you don't like the mid-close, this probably isn't a great playstyle fit for you.

That said, especially in the fallen arena of PoE, when you get close up with a captain, this thing comes in really handy. It's more versatile than a shotgun, I think, and when leaving cover can get you wire-rifled to death, that versatility can be really handy.

Certainly not for everyone. It's more of an accurate/fast Fusion Rifle alternative (and personally, I found Invective more useful almost everywhere in the PoE).

I actually thought of it as the MIDA Multi-Tool and Fatebringer had a baby, but yeah, now that you mention it.

Man I loved overcharging that gun.

It is good because if I see you coming I can blast you to death before you can shotgun me. It's fairly powerful, has a range longer than shotgun's one hit kill, and ALWAYS has ammo.

I actually thought of it as the MIDA Multi-Tool and Fatebringer had a baby, but yeah, now that you mention it.

Vestian Dynasty with exploding headshots would be... mind blowingly good. [Pun intended]

It is good because if I see you coming I can blast you to death before you can shotgun me. It's fairly powerful, has a range longer than shotgun's one hit kill, and ALWAYS has ammo.

It readies faster than most other guns, so if you need to switch to your secondary because your clip is empty you can fire faster and often finish someone off, even at a decent range.

True. I'm really considering a The Last Word combo with it. That'd be kinda hilarious!

True. I'm really considering a The Last Word combo with it. That'd be kinda hilarious!

I find Mythoclast with it to be really amusing personally! :)

Mythoclast is NEVER amusing. Not ever. :p

True. I'm really considering a The Last Word combo with it. That'd be kinda hilarious!

That's what I was rocking last night. It's awesome, except when you need long-distance firepower.

I was using it with Fang of Ir'Yut. Fang for mid-long range, then hot swap to the first true sidearm in the game when I got in to mid-close range. Amazing with arc burn, obviously, but still incredibly effective without the burn. It's like a super-accurate hand cannon and does basically the same damage as one, too. One-shots shanks, one shot headshot on dregs (2 shots to the body otherwise), two shot headshot vandals... it's awesome.

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I'm annoyed I didn't think to call it that.

True. I'm really considering a The Last Word combo with it. That'd be kinda hilarious!

That's what I was rocking last night. It's awesome, except when you need long-distance firepower.

I just rolled a Deadshot Luna with full auto, single point sling (swap and move faster), and third eye. Definitely pairing that with the sidearm for crucible.

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I don't know what it is, but I just can't hit Dregs in the head. Even the Vandals seem harder to headshot than with my regular handcannoms.

It's not just you. I don't think it has very strong target acquisition. Even when I aim carefully I haven't been able to get many headshots out of it.

I don't think that's necessarily a problem - taking careful, paced shots is probably using that gun wrong. I think it's intended more for just aiming mid-body and unloading.

because I love this gun. Was absolutely grinning from ear to ear as I used it on the story missions.

Sammy would never use another gun in PvP.

Me? I swapped my 4th Horseman with it, and couldn't go back. It's too perfect, and with arc burn? Sogood.

It's not just you. I don't think it has very strong target acquisition. Even when I aim carefully I haven't been able to get many headshots out of it.

I don't think that's necessarily a problem - taking careful, paced shots is probably using that gun wrong. I think it's intended more for just aiming mid-body and unloading.

I could be wrong, but I thought one of the characteristics of the sidearm is that it doesn't do precision damage; perhaps you're getting the headshots but they don't look like it because it doesn't do extra "precision" damage...?

https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/36o5zf/fun_facts_about_your_new_sidearm/

All apocryphal, but might be helpful.

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Yeah, it definitely can get criticals. The numbers are yellow when that happens, same as any weapon. It just doesn't seem to happen very much.

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For some reason ADS actually makes it somewhat more difficult to hit with. Unless the target has a little bit of distance I always fire from the hip, and it has great accuracy from the hip.

I felt like Peter Griffin here. Just replace Roadhouse with Space Glock

I used to play Mass Effect 3 with a guy who would say that every time he meleed an enemy. Somehow, it was never not funny.