Quodron is awesome (Destiny)
by Cody Miller 
, Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Wednesday, June 03, 2015, 04:47 (3703 days ago)
There's finally a cool boss in PoE!
Spoilers:
Quodron is a Vex gate lord who will frequently detain you and your fireteam. The difference, is that the detain field is very strong, and you take damage while in it. You will die before you can break out. On the map there is an 'Eye of Quodron', and killing it gives you a jailbreaker buff for 30 seconds. This lets you destroy the detain shields.
The fight is awesome because:
1. The boss doesn't have a bazillion hit points, so it's not a bullet sponge fight.
2. You are always on the edge. You have to keep seeking out and finding the eye to kill, or else you will be in big trouble.
3. It requires communication and teamwork.
This one was great.
Quodron is awesome
by Korny , Dalton, Ga. US. Earth, Sol System, Wednesday, June 03, 2015, 05:15 (3703 days ago) @ Cody Miller
There's finally a cool boss in PoE!
Spoilers:
Quodron is a Vex gate lord who will frequently detain you and your fireteam. The difference, is that the detain field is very strong, and you take damage while in it. You will die before you can break out. On the map there is an 'Eye of Quodron', and killing it gives you a jailbreaker buff for 30 seconds. This lets you destroy the detain shields.
The fight is awesome because:
1. The boss doesn't have a bazillion hit points, so it's not a bullet sponge fight.
2. You are always on the edge. You have to keep seeking out and finding the eye to kill, or else you will be in big trouble.
3. It requires communication and teamwork.This one was great.
*Qodron. And yeah, he was around last week. Where were you?
Had to coordinate that fight as the only 34 in the team, and we had to get creative. Definitely a ton of fun, and a raid-worthy boss battle.
Quodron is awesome
by Cody Miller , Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Wednesday, June 03, 2015, 05:15 (3703 days ago) @ Korny
*Qodron. And yeah, he was around last week. Where were you?
Key West.
Maybe now, post patch, at 32
by CruelLEGACEY , Toronto, Wednesday, June 03, 2015, 05:17 (3703 days ago) @ Cody Miller
The Qudron battle last week (34, his bubbles do more damage, the buffs were half as effective) was the single worst encounter in Destiny (IMO). The very definition of frustration. I'm glad Bungie reacted as quickly as they did. Sounds like the fight is more enjoyable now.
Maybe now, post patch, at 32
by Ragashingo 
, Official DBO Cryptarch, Wednesday, June 03, 2015, 05:20 (3703 days ago) @ CruelLEGACEY
Probably. Or, at least I enjoyed the 32 version of it. A couple of near wipes but by Ward of Dawn and its Blessing of Light saved me at least once. Now if only Trickle hadn't been on!
Fox News would call this "sissyfication"
I didn't have a hard time with it at all last week once I started doing it on the right. Did it two times pretty easily. I am very surprised that they are patching the fight to be easier so fast. Does all PvE in this game have to be easy???
The problem wasn't JUST with Quodron...
by CruelLEGACEY , Toronto, Wednesday, June 03, 2015, 09:59 (3703 days ago) @ DreadPirateWes
edited by CruelLEGACEY, Wednesday, June 03, 2015, 10:03
Does all PvE in this game have to be easy???
I think it should feel in-line with the rest of the challenge before it; slightly harder, not orders of magnitude.
Both times I tried to do Quodron on 34, my fireteam ended up short handed because of people giving up and quitting. With no checkpoints or any way to come back and pick up where we left off, it becomes a wasted run. I stopped trying not because I don't like a challenge, but because I was tired of taking the time to get that far, only to have my time wasted.
The problem wasn't JUST with Quodron...
Having done it both ways, I have to say the new version is better. We wiped so many times last week due to the Eye getting lost, hiding with Quodron on the stage, taking damage prior to being detained and dying before the jailbreak, etc. It was very inconsistent.
This week was better, even though I was 34 in a 32, in that the Eye was easier to find and get to without the hordes of hobgoblins getting you, and if you took a shot or two before being detained it wasn't a wipe.
It is one thing for a contest to test your skill, it is another to require the random movement of mobs to be perfect in addition to your own flawless play.
The problem wasn't JUST with Quodron...
Both times I tried to do Quodron on 34, my fireteam ended up short handed because of people giving up and quitting. With no checkpoints or any way to come back and pick up where we left off, it becomes a wasted run. I stopped trying not because I don't like a challenge, but because I was tired of taking the time to get that far, only to have my time wasted.
People dropping, only getting loot at end, no checkpoints... I'm with you that all of that sucks.
But cmon... the boss has only been out for a week! It should be hard! Once everyone learns the fight it would have been fine. Now it's going to be easy-breezy in a few weeks.
The problem wasn't JUST with Quodron...
by CruelLEGACEY , Toronto, Wednesday, June 03, 2015, 15:32 (3702 days ago) @ DreadPirateWes
Both times I tried to do Quodron on 34, my fireteam ended up short handed because of people giving up and quitting. With no checkpoints or any way to come back and pick up where we left off, it becomes a wasted run. I stopped trying not because I don't like a challenge, but because I was tired of taking the time to get that far, only to have my time wasted.
People dropping, only getting loot at end, no checkpoints... I'm with you that all of that sucks.But cmon... the boss has only been out for a week! It should be hard! Once everyone learns the fight it would have been fine. Now it's going to be easy-breezy in a few weeks.
If there were checkpoints in PoE, I'd be 100% with you. But between people dropping out, network issues causing people to leave, etc... there are too many things stacked against a super difficult encounter that takes place 1-2 hours in to a mission for me to want to risk it.
Again, I'm fine with super-difficult. It's just that PoE doesn't present these challenges in a way that respects the players time, as of yet.
The problem wasn't JUST with Quodron...
by Cody Miller , Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Wednesday, June 03, 2015, 15:46 (3702 days ago) @ CruelLEGACEY
Both times I tried to do Quodron on 34, my fireteam ended up short handed because of people giving up and quitting. With no checkpoints or any way to come back and pick up where we left off, it becomes a wasted run. I stopped trying not because I don't like a challenge, but because I was tired of taking the time to get that far, only to have my time wasted.
People dropping, only getting loot at end, no checkpoints... I'm with you that all of that sucks.But cmon... the boss has only been out for a week! It should be hard! Once everyone learns the fight it would have been fine. Now it's going to be easy-breezy in a few weeks.
If there were checkpoints in PoE, I'd be 100% with you. But between people dropping out, network issues causing people to leave, etc... there are too many things stacked against a super difficult encounter that takes place 1-2 hours in to a mission for me to want to risk it.Again, I'm fine with super-difficult. It's just that PoE doesn't present these challenges in a way that respects the players time, as of yet.
I read a suggestion somewhere, maybe here, that the PoE rounds should work like the Trials rewards, in the each round should ramp them up until they are great by the end. This way, you can allow checkpoints but still incentivize people to play the whole thing.
The problem wasn't JUST with Quodron...
by CruelLEGACEY , Toronto, Wednesday, June 03, 2015, 15:48 (3702 days ago) @ Cody Miller
If there were checkpoints in PoE, I'd be 100% with you. But between people dropping out, network issues causing people to leave, etc... there are too many things stacked against a super difficult encounter that takes place 1-2 hours in to a mission for me to want to risk it.
Again, I'm fine with super-difficult. It's just that PoE doesn't present these challenges in a way that respects the players time, as of yet.
I read a suggestion somewhere, maybe here, that the PoE rounds should work like the Trials rewards, in the each round should ramp them up until they are great by the end. This way, you can allow checkpoints but still incentivize people to play the whole thing.
That would be cool. I imagined something similar to how the Raids work; drops after each major encounter (or each Round, in PoE terms) with the best possible drops coming at the end.
The problem wasn't JUST with Quodron...
by Cody Miller , Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Wednesday, June 03, 2015, 16:09 (3702 days ago) @ CruelLEGACEY
If there were checkpoints in PoE, I'd be 100% with you. But between people dropping out, network issues causing people to leave, etc... there are too many things stacked against a super difficult encounter that takes place 1-2 hours in to a mission for me to want to risk it.
Again, I'm fine with super-difficult. It's just that PoE doesn't present these challenges in a way that respects the players time, as of yet.
I read a suggestion somewhere, maybe here, that the PoE rounds should work like the Trials rewards, in the each round should ramp them up until they are great by the end. This way, you can allow checkpoints but still incentivize people to play the whole thing.
That would be cool. I imagined something similar to how the Raids work; drops after each major encounter (or each Round, in PoE terms) with the best possible drops coming at the end.
At the end? The best possible drop comes at the Templar on hard mode :-p
The problem wasn't JUST with Quodron...
by CruelLEGACEY , Toronto, Wednesday, June 03, 2015, 16:24 (3702 days ago) @ Cody Miller
If there were checkpoints in PoE, I'd be 100% with you. But between people dropping out, network issues causing people to leave, etc... there are too many things stacked against a super difficult encounter that takes place 1-2 hours in to a mission for me to want to risk it.
Again, I'm fine with super-difficult. It's just that PoE doesn't present these challenges in a way that respects the players time, as of yet.
I read a suggestion somewhere, maybe here, that the PoE rounds should work like the Trials rewards, in the each round should ramp them up until they are great by the end. This way, you can allow checkpoints but still incentivize people to play the whole thing.
That would be cool. I imagined something similar to how the Raids work; drops after each major encounter (or each Round, in PoE terms) with the best possible drops coming at the end.
At the end? The best possible drop comes at the Templar on hard mode :-p
Well yes, but there was a time when the Mythoclast might have had it beat... plus the chance at other exotics :)
Why there are no checkpoints in PoE.
by dogcow , Hiding from Bob, in the vent core., Wednesday, June 03, 2015, 15:54 (3702 days ago) @ Cody Miller
edited by dogcow, Wednesday, June 03, 2015, 15:58
If there were checkpoints in PoE, I'd be 100% with you. But between people dropping out, network issues causing people to leave, etc... there are too many things stacked against a super difficult encounter that takes place 1-2 hours in to a mission for me to want to risk it.
Again, I'm fine with super-difficult. It's just that PoE doesn't present these challenges in a way that respects the players time, as of yet.
I read a suggestion somewhere, maybe here, that the PoE rounds should work like the Trials rewards, in the each round should ramp them up until they are great by the end. This way, you can allow checkpoints but still incentivize people to play the whole thing.
I bet the reason Bungie abstained from adding checkpoints to PoE is to prevent people from sharing a checkpoint for the final encounter in order to bypass the fun for the loot.
I wonder why they didn't just require passing all stages in order to get the final loot. If giving the player feedback on if they've passed all stages is a problem then a solution could be something like a Trials Passage ticket, only without the losses.
EDIT: (formatting) I should clarify, in my proposal you would only be able to open the chests at the end if you have passed all stages, not have ramping up rewards like the ToO.
Fox News would call this "sissyfication"
by Ragashingo , Official DBO Cryptarch, Wednesday, June 03, 2015, 11:14 (3702 days ago) @ DreadPirateWes
edited by Ragashingo, Wednesday, June 03, 2015, 11:30
Maybe in relation to the harder version, but for us every moment was tense and most of the detentions were close to the point we lost one or two people multiple times. I'm not always up for a challenge that's beatable but only after a good deal of frustration. My favorite games are the ones that keep me on the edge of my seat and cause me to play well but ultimately keep the action going instead of killing me over and over causing repetition and breaks in the gameplay,
I can certainly see why some liked the harder challenges though. :)
Maybe now, post patch, at 32
by Korny , Dalton, Ga. US. Earth, Sol System, Wednesday, June 03, 2015, 06:57 (3703 days ago) @ CruelLEGACEY
The Qudron battle last week (34, his bubbles do more damage, the buffs were half as effective) was the single worst encounter in Destiny (IMO). The very definition of frustration. I'm glad Bungie reacted as quickly as they did. Sounds like the fight is more enjoyable now.
We had a lot of fun with the Hell that it was last week, actually. Or at least I did. I know Cane wasn't enjoying it as a 33, but the third group that I ran it with had zero trouble. All about coordination and execution. But I can see how casuals would find it tough. ;)
Maybe now, post patch, at 32
by breitzen , Kansas, Wednesday, June 03, 2015, 13:40 (3702 days ago) @ CruelLEGACEY
I didn't get a chance to take him on last week. But this yesterday Xenos, Zero and I had a blast with this arena. We wiped the first time (I didn't know what was going on) but got into a good rhythm for our second attempt! I was in change of hunting the eye and taking out the detain shields while the other two kept hitting him.
Overall- Super fun encounter!
Qodron is too easy now
Qodron was a real challenge last week at 34 pre-patch. This week we could break out of the detainment fields without even killing the eye. Swordbreakers and icebreakers did the trick.
I know it was frustrating last week, but after my team got the strategy down we handled him fairly easily. It was very satisfying to finally beat him. I agree that the teamwork required still makes it a great boss fight, but the lack of challenge makes it less rewarding to kill him.
Agreed, glad I beat it last week
I was LFG with a 33 and 34 and we were always one containment away from wiping during the entire battle. It was very intense, and once we got momentum and got the boss to 1/2 health, 1/3, 1/4, almost, the pressure kept building to stay alive. I'm really glad I got to experience that way the first time through, I'd compare it to the first time beating a Raid boss in terms of challenge and satisfaction.
You guys are tweaked...
by Mid7night , Rocket BSCHSHCSHSHCCHGGH!!!!!!, Wednesday, June 03, 2015, 14:24 (3702 days ago) @ petetheduck
I was LFG with a 33 and 34 and we were always one containment away from wiping during the entire battle. It was very intense, and once we got momentum and got the boss to 1/2 health, 1/3, 1/4, almost, the pressure kept building to stay alive. I'm really glad I got to experience that way the first time through, I'd compare it to the first time beating a Raid boss in terms of challenge and satisfaction.
Maybe I could find that level of difficulty "fun" as a 34, where at least the damage is level, but as a 33 it was the absolute definition of POINTLESS FRUSTRATION. I'm glad Bungle adjusted the fight to be a bit more fair. This is a game, games should be fun, not headache-sources.
Qodron is too easy now
by CruelLEGACEY , Toronto, Wednesday, June 03, 2015, 11:44 (3702 days ago) @ Basketball Coach Jim
Qodron was a real challenge last week at 34 pre-patch. This week we could break out of the detainment fields without even killing the eye. Swordbreakers and icebreakers did the trick.
I know it was frustrating last week, but after my team got the strategy down we handled him fairly easily. It was very satisfying to finally beat him. I agree that the teamwork required still makes it a great boss fight, but the lack of challenge makes it less rewarding to kill him.
I'd like to see what the Qodron fight is like at level 34 after the patch. On paper, it looks like they've found a nice balance.
Qodron is doable casual at 32.
by slycrel , Wednesday, June 03, 2015, 12:09 (3702 days ago) @ CruelLEGACEY
Having done it both last week and this week, I think it's appropriate for lvl 32 -- challenging for average players but doable.
But you can do your most hated thing with him...
Just fire rockets at him a lot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNfNCRzm6wE
sigh
by Cody Miller , Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Wednesday, June 03, 2015, 13:53 (3702 days ago) @ Monochron
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