Definitely a positive, at least to me. (Destiny)
I mean, she's a shitty lyricist, but we know that, in general, her records are what she wants because of her creative control and how much she does put into her songs.
The first bit of this video is about how she and Dr. Luke went through and did I Can Do Better, a bad song from her 3rd album, so you can see how much of it she really does. In another part of the video, you can see her coming up with a genuinely awful lyric while wasted "I will drink as much limoncello as I can, and I'll do it again and again," and loving it. It made it into the song. Anyway, once you get a feeling of what she does, you don't have to watch any more.
EXCEPT you should totally skip to 8:33 to hear her nail a vocal track then yell "I'm so hammered!"
Is this the best for the quality of her songs? Well, I don't know. Sometimes on the ones where she has a lot of lyric help (like the ones she wrote with Butch Walker for her second record) they come out as stronger songs.
However, on her fourth album, a lot of the songs were done by her exclusively, with collaboration kept to a minimum and I think the record is stronger for that. Indeed, my favourite songs and lyrics from that are the ones she did by herself or with Evan Taubenfeld, her old friend and first guitar player for her band...and Evan has said she uses him for a sounding board more than anything.
But something else to keep in mind is that she is just singing a bunch of dumb pop bullshit. It's not supposed to have some kind of huge point or anything, but either make you feel what Avril is feeling (which can be done with simple, easily relatable lyrics), or to get stuck in your head.
Girlfriend, for example, is a get stuck in your head song.
My Happy Ending, as another example, is a make you feel anger and rage after a breakup song, like Avril was feeling.
Complete thread:
- Weekly Update Up Early... (Part 1 of 2...) -
Doooskey,
2015-06-24, 22:20
- Wow -
Beorn,
2015-06-24, 22:22
- Ok, finished reading -
Beorn,
2015-06-24, 22:40
- Ok, finished reading -
stabbim,
2015-06-25, 02:42
- Ok, finished reading -
Blackt1g3r,
2015-06-25, 12:17
- Ok, finished reading - iconicbanana, 2015-06-25, 12:49
- Ok, finished reading -
Blackt1g3r,
2015-06-25, 12:17
- Ok, finished reading -
stabbim,
2015-06-25, 02:42
- Ok, finished reading -
Beorn,
2015-06-24, 22:40
- is this the end for Cody? -
DreadPirateWes,
2015-06-24, 22:23
- is this the end for Cody? -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-24, 22:33
- $2 for a quest with free red bull, $20 for items and emotes? -
Funkmon,
2015-06-24, 23:29
- $2 for a quest with free red bull, $20 for items and emotes? -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-24, 23:34
- Nah, just giving you crap. It's not the same. -
Funkmon,
2015-06-24, 23:49
- but I want Horse Armor :/ - unoudid, 2015-06-24, 23:52
- Nah, just giving you crap. It's not the same. -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-24, 23:53
- Ahh, the old slippery slope. -
Funkmon,
2015-06-25, 00:03
- Ahh, the old slippery slope. -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-25, 00:06
- lol - Funkmon, 2015-06-25, 00:07
- Ahh, the old slippery slope. -
Xenos,
2015-06-25, 04:52
- Ahh, the old slippery slope. -
Vortech,
2015-06-25, 17:23
- Ahh, the old slippery slope. - Xenos, 2015-06-25, 17:24
- Ahh, the old slippery slope. -
Vortech,
2015-06-25, 17:23
- You keep talking about horse armor -
red robber,
2015-06-25, 00:49
- You keep talking about horse armor -
DreadPirateWes,
2015-06-25, 00:57
- You keep talking about horse armor -
red robber,
2015-06-25, 01:09
- Why not all of it? -
Avateur,
2015-06-25, 01:16
- Now open on Venus *gif* -
red robber,
2015-06-25, 01:30
- O_o -
iconicbanana,
2015-06-25, 13:20
- I had honestly managed to entirely forget that post - ZackDark, 2015-06-25, 13:23
- For the love...of all that is holy... - yakaman, 2015-06-25, 17:17
- O_o -
iconicbanana,
2015-06-25, 13:20
- Now open on Venus *gif* -
red robber,
2015-06-25, 01:30
- You keep talking about horse armor -
stabbim,
2015-06-25, 02:48
- You keep talking about horse armor -
Ragashingo,
2015-06-25, 02:53
- You keep talking about horse armor - stabbim, 2015-06-25, 02:56
- You keep talking about horse armor -
Ragashingo,
2015-06-25, 02:53
- You keep talking about horse armor - MacAddictXIV, 2015-06-25, 13:34
- Why not all of it? -
Avateur,
2015-06-25, 01:16
- You keep talking about horse armor -
red robber,
2015-06-25, 01:09
- Want to know how terrible of a person I am? - Leviathan, 2015-06-25, 02:57
- You keep talking about horse armor -
DreadPirateWes,
2015-06-25, 00:57
- Ahh, the old slippery slope. -
uberfoop,
2015-06-25, 03:22
- Ahh, the old slippery slope. -
Vortech,
2015-06-25, 17:29
- Ahh, the old slippery slope. - RaichuKFM, 2015-06-26, 15:03
- Ahh, the old slippery slope. -
Vortech,
2015-06-25, 17:29
- Ahh, the old slippery slope. -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-25, 00:06
- Ahh, the old slippery slope. -
Funkmon,
2015-06-25, 00:03
- hawkmoon -
Raflection,
2015-06-25, 06:55
- hawkmoon - Korny, 2015-06-25, 11:56
- Nah, just giving you crap. It's not the same. -
Funkmon,
2015-06-24, 23:49
- I read this title and thought you were properly complaining -
Kahzgul,
2015-06-25, 14:28
- They're worth what people are willing to pay for them. - iconicbanana, 2015-06-25, 14:39
- $2 for a quest with free red bull, $20 for items and emotes? -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-24, 23:34
- $2 for a quest with free red bull, $20 for items and emotes? -
Funkmon,
2015-06-24, 23:29
- $20 is hardly 'micro' -
someotherguy,
2015-06-24, 22:43
- $20 isn't much when... -
Earendil,
2015-06-24, 22:44
- I mean, in the grand scheme of things... - someotherguy, 2015-06-24, 22:50
- $20 is hardly 'micro' -
DreadPirateWes,
2015-06-24, 23:27
- Kind of an important distinction -
someotherguy,
2015-06-25, 00:00
- Kind of an important distinction - DreadPirateWes, 2015-06-25, 00:06
- Kind of an important distinction -
someotherguy,
2015-06-25, 00:00
- $20 is hardly 'micro' - Xenos, 2015-06-25, 04:54
- $20 is what CE and HoE cost -
Kahzgul,
2015-06-25, 14:31
- $20 is what CE and HoE cost -
Speedracer513,
2015-06-25, 14:44
- Your money, your decision, that's what I say. - Kahzgul, 2015-06-25, 14:55
- $20 is what CE and HoE cost -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-25, 15:12
- $20 is what CE and HoE cost - MacAddictXIV, 2015-06-25, 15:18
- $20 is what CE and HoE cost -
Speedracer513,
2015-06-25, 14:44
- $20 isn't much when... -
Earendil,
2015-06-24, 22:44
- is this the end for Cody? -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-24, 22:33
- Weekly Update Up Early... (Part 1 of 2...) -
Mad_Stylus,
2015-06-24, 22:35
- Weekly Update Up Early... (Part 1 of 2...) -
Claude Errera,
2015-06-24, 22:47
- Weekly Update Up Early... (Part 1 of 2...) -
someotherguy,
2015-06-24, 22:54
- Weekly Update Up Early... (Part 1 of 2...) -
Claude Errera,
2015-06-24, 22:56
- I can't read -
someotherguy,
2015-06-24, 22:59
- I can't read -
Relativiox,
2015-06-24, 23:03
- I can't read - someotherguy, 2015-06-24, 23:04
- I can't read -
Claude Errera,
2015-06-24, 23:04
- I can't read - Harmanimus, 2015-06-25, 11:53
- I can't read -
Relativiox,
2015-06-24, 23:03
- I can't read -
someotherguy,
2015-06-24, 22:59
- Weekly Update Up Early... (Part 1 of 2...) -
Claude Errera,
2015-06-24, 22:56
- Weekly Update Up Early... (Part 1 of 2...) -
Avateur,
2015-06-24, 23:48
- Weekly Update Up Early... (Part 1 of 2...) -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-24, 23:51
- Weekly Update Up Early... (Part 1 of 2...) - RaichuKFM, 2015-06-26, 15:26
- Weekly Update Up Early... (Part 1 of 2...) -
Claude Errera,
2015-06-24, 23:57
- Weekly Update Up Early... (Part 1 of 2...) - Avateur, 2015-06-25, 00:15
- Weekly Update Up Early... (Part 1 of 2...) -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-24, 23:51
- Weekly Update Up Early... (Part 1 of 2...) -
someotherguy,
2015-06-24, 22:54
- Weekly Update Up Early... (Part 1 of 2...) -
Claude Errera,
2015-06-24, 22:47
- That needs to never be a thing. -
Earendil,
2015-06-24, 22:39
- That needs to never be a thing. -
Funkmon,
2015-06-24, 23:32
- She's no Avril though -
unoudid,
2015-06-24, 23:33
- Nobody is. :3 -
Funkmon,
2015-06-24, 23:44
- Nobody is. :3 -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-24, 23:47
- Fun fact: Ke$ha's cowriter is her mother. - Funkmon, 2015-06-24, 23:50
- Nobody is. :3 -
DreadPirateWes,
2015-06-25, 00:26
- Definitely a positive, at least to me. -
Funkmon,
2015-06-25, 01:00
- Definitely a positive, at least to me. - Vortech, 2015-06-25, 02:08
- Yup - stabbim, 2015-06-25, 03:06
- Why/How do you know all this? -
someotherguy,
2015-06-25, 07:56
- There are Avril communities as well as Bungie communities. - Funkmon, 2015-06-25, 08:23
- Definitely a positive, at least to me. -
Funkmon,
2015-06-25, 01:00
- Nobody is. :3 -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-24, 23:47
- Nobody is. :3 -
Funkmon,
2015-06-24, 23:44
- She's no Avril though -
unoudid,
2015-06-24, 23:33
- That needs to never be a thing. -
Funkmon,
2015-06-24, 23:32
- Cool beans -
breitzen,
2015-06-24, 22:42
- Shader is cool. Wonder if it's superblack. -
Funkmon,
2015-06-24, 23:52
- none more black. - Vortech, 2015-06-25, 02:09
- Shader is cool. Wonder if it's superblack. -
Funkmon,
2015-06-24, 23:52
- Confused... -
squidnh3,
2015-06-25, 00:31
- +1 -
Oholiab,
2015-06-25, 00:40
- Dude, get outta here with your proven basic economics. - Funkmon, 2015-06-25, 01:08
- Confused... -
Ragashingo,
2015-06-25, 00:45
- Having a digital collectors edition... -
red robber,
2015-06-25, 00:57
- Agreed. - Ragashingo, 2015-06-25, 01:23
- Having a digital collectors edition... -
red robber,
2015-06-25, 00:57
- +1 -
Oholiab,
2015-06-25, 00:40
- Thanks Bungie! A decent compromise. - slycrel, 2015-06-25, 01:00
- Weekly Update Up Early... (Part 1 of 2...) - stabbim, 2015-06-25, 02:54
- Let me straighten one thing out - Xenos, 2015-06-25, 05:12
- Gamers are assholes -
Monochron,
2015-06-25, 12:09
- Gamers are assholes -
Kermit,
2015-06-25, 13:23
- People in general are assholes -
iconicbanana,
2015-06-25, 13:28
- this is unfortunately true - unoudid, 2015-06-25, 14:02
- Monochron does have something though... -
Leviathan,
2015-06-25, 15:56
- Monochron does have something though... -
Kahzgul,
2015-06-25, 16:11
- I'll amend Monochron's statement -
Kermit,
2015-06-25, 17:21
- I'll amend Monochron's statement -
Kahzgul,
2015-06-25, 18:17
- I'll amend Monochron's statement -
Monochron,
2015-06-25, 20:08
- I'll amend Monochron's statement - Kahzgul, 2015-06-25, 21:02
- I'll amend Monochron's statement -
Monochron,
2015-06-25, 20:08
- I'll amend Monochron's statement -
Kahzgul,
2015-06-25, 18:17
- Monochron does have something though... -
Ragashingo,
2015-06-25, 17:23
- I stand corrected - Kahzgul, 2015-06-25, 18:16
- I'll amend Monochron's statement -
Kermit,
2015-06-25, 17:21
- Monochron does have something though... -
Kahzgul,
2015-06-25, 16:11
- Couldn't agree more - Monochron, 2015-06-25, 13:31
- People in general are assholes -
iconicbanana,
2015-06-25, 13:28
- Agree as well... - yakaman, 2015-06-25, 17:04
- Gamers are assholes -
Kermit,
2015-06-25, 13:23
- Weekly Update Up Early... (Part 1 of 2...) - Jillybean, 2015-06-25, 17:11
- Wow -
Beorn,
2015-06-24, 22:22