My stance on the matter is unchanged. After TDB and HoW, I have very little faith that TTK will justify it's price.

That's a fair position that I think reasonable people can disagree on. In your opinion, what would justify the $40?

-Custom Games on Par with Halo 3 in terms of depth and options available

-Forge on Par with Halo Reach in terms of tool-sets

-Theater Mode on Par with Halo Reach

-Two Raids, each on Par with The Vault of Glass in terms of variety of encounter design and length.

-Two New Patrol spaces on Par with Venus/Earth in terms of scope

-A Forge-world-esque Multiplayer map.

-Story missions that tie up some of the untold number of loose ends in the vanilla game's narrative.

-Exotic bounties for any existing exotic weapons that don't have one.

That'll about cover it.

For FORTY DOLLARS?!? You want them to add 2 HUGE and MAJOR features and more raids than were in the original game?!? So... you're saying you want them to make up for what you thought was a game without enough content in the first place... for less than you paid for the original game...

Well, I guess this is the last we'll see of you in Destiny...

My stance on the matter is unchanged. After TDB and HoW, I have very little faith that TTK will justify it's price.

That's a fair position that I think reasonable people can disagree on. In your opinion, what would justify the $40?

-Custom Games on Par with Halo 3 in terms of depth and options available

-Forge on Par with Halo Reach in terms of tool-sets

-Theater Mode on Par with Halo Reach

-Two Raids, each on Par with The Vault of Glass in terms of variety of encounter design and length.

-Two New Patrol spaces on Par with Venus/Earth in terms of scope

-A Forge-world-esque Multiplayer map.

-Story missions that tie up some of the untold number of loose ends in the vanilla game's narrative.

-Exotic bounties for any existing exotic weapons that don't have one.

That'll about cover it.

Not sure about getting two whole new patrol regions (though I'd love an urban Earth region, such as Widow's Court, and the end of the HoW story heavily implies Jupiter/Saturn being a patrol region), but all of that other stuff would be in line when you consider how much we paid for the base Destiny content.

I'd be a bit more peeved if Sammy and I didn't have the PS4 perk of paying half price for digital content (We're only paying $20 each for The Taken King, essentially), but the price is pretty steep considering that it's more than the last two DLCs combined, and only a bit less than the vanilla game.

But even if I were to pay $40, I'd be more than happy if it included a theater mode, or PS4's photography mode.

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That's a fair position that I think reasonable people can disagree on. In your opinion, what would justify the $40?

-Custom Games on Par with Halo 3 in terms of depth and options available

-Forge on Par with Halo Reach in terms of tool-sets

-Theater Mode on Par with Halo Reach

-Two Raids, each on Par with The Vault of Glass in terms of variety of encounter design and length.

-Two New Patrol spaces on Par with Venus/Earth in terms of scope

-A Forge-world-esque Multiplayer map.

-Story missions that tie up some of the untold number of loose ends in the vanilla game's narrative.

-Exotic bounties for any existing exotic weapons that don't have one.

That'll about cover it.

I'd probably pay more than $40 if the Taken King contained everything you've described. Custom games I couldn't care less about (that's just me, I know others really love the option), but Forge and Theater would be pretty great additions.

As far as the rest of what you've described, am I accurate in saying that you'd be happy if the Taken King contained ~2 times the content they've announced? So for you, the new expansion as announced would be worth maybe a maximum of $20 (and maybe even that's a stretch)?

The expansion is $40. If that's too much for you, that's a you problem. They set that price on what they feel the value of their work is, and what they believe consumers are willing to pay. If you feel it's overcharging, that is a you problem. If you feel you're being taken advantage of, that is a you problem. Not a Bungie problem. Bungie's problem is finding a price the market will bear. They decided on $40.

Just thinking out loud but if the majority of people are "letting themselves be taken advantage of" (I'm not saying that is the case) maybe they need to educate themselves on that fact and start voting with their wallets a bit more. If the ratio of game "quality" to game price has dropped in the last 10 years or so it might be wise to, collectively, stop paying for these things.

I don't fully believe that this is the case, but it's a nice idea.

Bungie (again, more likely Activision) is simply responding to that market. If consumers did stop spending like they had been, the prices would adjust. We all made this bed, and you're right, we as a group would need to collectively take action to create a change in the pricing of games. You can't blame sellers for pricing a product at the point where consumers are buying it.

But Bungie/Activision have also created that market force by intentionally designing Destiny in order to get consumers addicted. The result is that they are actively trying to addict you to their product and then sell you expansions they know you are less likely to resist (due to your addiction) at a price that is higher than what a non-addicted person would pay. There is a very real level of corporate greed and irresponsibility tied to this pricing and content release design; Bungie and Activision are not "innocent" or "simply following the market" here.

Putting agency in Bungie's hands by claiming they've created the addiction is precisely why people are addicted to Destiny. Take some responsibility and put that agency back in your own hands. Bungie has incentive to create a product with addictive aspects. You have an incentive to spend your time and money on what you find enjoyable. If you allow yourself to forgo your enjoyment by accepting Destiny's skinner box, it's a box you put yourself in.

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Ended up at White Castle after a friends wedding reception. I don't think I've ever seen a bride so happy to get White Castle. Our DD probably hated us that night lol. But seriously. A case or two of sliders covered everyone,

Banana, I apologize if I upset you with my math or opinions, but saying that because the price of beer is not a constant around the world somehow voids my statement of what I could buy for $60 is simply false.

For me, when I think about what I can get for my $60, I think of other fun times I have, one of which is going to a bar where they sell $5 beers. 12 beers at $5 each = $60. That's math. That's not an analogy. There's no substitution or simile here. Other people in other places or buying from other sources can get more or fewer beers, but that doesn't invalidate the math at all, nor does it change the fact that $60 buys me 12 beers. I guess, if you really want to parse the purchase, it buys me 10 beers, because I'd leave a $10 tip on that tab.

http://cjsupperdeck.com/what-is-2-1-2-.html

This is near me, but $2 you call its are pretty common. Cj's only does $2 for mixed drinks. LOSERS.

Once, my dad gave me $20 to go take my girlfriend to a bar for some reason. Being super cheap, I figured I'd just get her sloshed for $10 and pocket the dough. Brought her over to a nightclub with $2 you call its and 4 252s (a double shot of Bacardi 151 and Wild Turkey 101) later, I was up $12 and down one bedsheet from her puking on it.

Worth it.

This was back in the early 2000's. During the summers we could get pitchers of High Life or Natty Light for $2. Talk about a cheap night at the bars.

Once, I was at a party in Germany. Some guy comes in and yells "imports!" in German. Everyone cheers and gets up and runs to him for some beer, as imported beer was apparently much better than their cheap German swill.

So I'm thinking, oh, he went and got some nice Belgian beer or Heineken

Once, I was at a party in Germany. Some guy comes in and yells "imports!" in German. Everyone cheers and gets up and runs to him for some beer, as imported beer was apparently much better than their cheap German swill.

So I'm thinking, oh, he went and got some nice Belgian beer or Heineken or some Danish stuff, maybe even something Czech.

He is holding 4 boxes of canned Budweiser.

i was at a conference in canada once, and the "imports" were $7 (coors, bud light, etc). So i drank the domestics.

I guess I kinda gotta shrug at those people at this point then. Bungie has issued an apology, decoupled the special items from rebuying previous content, and effectively dropped the price to buy TTK + these special items by $20. If people want to complain about something I'd suggest they ponder why a Digital only Collectors Edition is the same price as a physical version that comes with books and maps and whatever else.

I think that's all valid. You can even shrug at them, but that doesn't mean they don't necessarily have validity to their point. The pricing all around is whack, including with your final example there. As for the apology, you get responses like this over on Reddit:

"I love that they have now added microtransactions under the guise of an apology and the entire destiny community is back in thumbs-up mode."

A lot of people have this feeling, too. At this point, Bungie can't really win beyond laughing all the way to the bank if people buy these items. There's still a lot of anger over the previous stuff and this new $20 price point, and it's not just on Reddit either (if you go reading around places, even places that usually give Bungie the benefit of the doubt). We'll have to wait and see where all of this goes. Either way, I understand why people are upset (from the price comparison point of view, the "entitlement" point of view that Mig was talking about in that one big DBO thread, and other points of view).

I also think that these can be really beneficial discussions to have.

It's pretty great being the best dancer in the solar system.