Do you think there will be one, either in a similar manner to what they did with Halo or something different?
Would you even want one?
I'm torn. Destiny is such a great universe, I feel like it deserves to be expanded upon (graphic novels please!). However, I think part of what makes it so great is that it's just the fragments from the cards. Those little snippets give you such brief glimpses into the world, it's just fascinating.
I can't help but think it'd end up like Halo did with the Forerunners. The Traveler would be stripped bare, completely explained, the world would be spelled out for us.
I just love Destiny's lore so much, I'd love to see more of it in different forms, but I wouldn't want it to be as diluted as it seems Halo's is becoming.

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by Leviathan , Hotel Zanzibar, Sunday, July 19, 2015, 22:06 (3514 days ago) @ cheapLEY
Do you think there will be one, either in a similar manner to what they did with Halo or something different?
Would you even want one?
I'm torn. Destiny is such a great universe, I feel like it deserves to be expanded upon (graphic novels please!). However, I think part of what makes it so great is that it's just the fragments from the cards. Those little snippets give you such brief glimpses into the world, it's just fascinating.
I can't help but think it'd end up like Halo did with the Forerunners. The Traveler would be stripped bare, completely explained, the world would be spelled out for us.
I just love Destiny's lore so much, I'd love to see more of it in different forms, but I wouldn't want it to be as diluted as it seems Halo's is becoming.
I think a lot of Halo's EU was out of Bungie's hands, or only partly in their hands, from the start. If you look at the games themselves, Bungie handled the Forerunner mystery perfectly, giving half-answers without ruining the mystique.
I believe Destiny's story will be much better tended than Halo's EU. It's a brand new start from the ground up and they can avoid many issues they went through and learned from during Halo. I especially got the feeling after some of the reactions Reach created, primarily when Urk (I think) said something like 'we're going to keep a better eye on our stories and universes going forward'*, that Destiny will be guarded much more close to the chest.
*Pretty sure that was in a Weekly Update but not sure of the words used to actually find it at the moment.

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by Cody Miller , Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Sunday, July 19, 2015, 22:22 (3514 days ago) @ cheapLEY
I just love Destiny's lore so much, I'd love to see more of it in different forms
That's the thing about lore: it only works in one form as lore…
I suppose there is truth in that. I do think there is definitely a lot of material there, though, and material that could work well in other mediums (heck we know that, since the majority of it is presented in a non-game medium).
Also, I could just see the general reaction if a Destiny novel or comic or whatever was released, without any story in the game proper.
Tangents and side stories. There are a lot of brief stories in the Grimoire that would be neat to see. Near-modern to the City Age. I think so long as it stayed away from telling too many core stories (I don't want to see the whole story of Kabr laid out, for example) but supplemented some in game things (such as stories about Guardian experiences with Exotic Weapons, someone like Dredgen Yor) would allow for expansion without stealing mysteries away.
I already feel that Osiris, Dr. Shim, Toland, and others will continue to be expanded on and may even appear in the future in game. I'd rather EU stuff keep it's paws out of that central honeypot.

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by Cody Miller , Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Sunday, July 19, 2015, 22:41 (3514 days ago) @ Harmanimus
Tangents and side stories. There are a lot of brief stories in the Grimoire that would be neat to see. Near-modern to the City Age. I think so long as it stayed away from telling too many core stories (I don't want to see the whole story of Kabr laid out, for example) but supplemented some in game things (such as stories about Guardian experiences with Exotic Weapons, someone like Dredgen Yor) would allow for expansion without stealing mysteries away.
Part of why there is mystery to begin with is that by its very nature lore in unspecific. The moment you take it into a visual medium, or a novel or something, it ceases to be lore, and becomes a grounded, specific story. This is complex, and I hope to have a long post about the nuances of this in relation to Destiny storytelling done at some point. Bottom line, lore is the only thing holding the interest in the game's story at all, so to disrupt that in any way is a bad move.

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by Harmanimus , Monday, July 20, 2015, 02:35 (3514 days ago) @ Cody Miller
The intent of the comment was to actively avoid impacting existing lore, but to explore the expanded universe. I agree that keeping the mysteries of foggy history and unreliable narrators is important.
I just meant to imply you can expand the universe without answering mysteries.

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by Ragashingo , Official DBO Cryptarch, Sunday, July 19, 2015, 23:00 (3514 days ago) @ cheapLEY
I've always stood by the idea that the reveal of the Forerunners was just mishandled. Mainly by 343i. Look instead at what Bungie was able to do with the Covenant. In Halo 1 they were a handful of unit types plus three vehicles and one type of warship. The extent of their culture and backstory could be summed up with: "Your destruction is the will of the gods, and we are their instruments." By Halo 2, they were a complex mix of cultures bound together for safety but falling apart under the weight of a well guarded lie. That's how you do it!
Or look at how the Forerunners went from a monolithic race who all sacrificed themselves for the greater good (in Halo 1) to the awesome story of the Didact and the Librarian (in Halo 3). Those Halo 3 terminals turned a race that was summed up by a single word (Forerunner) and a single idea (they built the Halos then all died to stop the Flood) into a story of love and longing and betrayal and sacrifice and a cool as heck space battle between AIs, all without ruining the mythos of the Forerunner. It too was the right way to do it.
But I think Contact Harvest was also the right way to do things. And the Halsey journal. And The Cole Protocol. And Halo Reach. And Halo Evolutions. Halo has had some highly questionable extensions of its lore, but has had some great ones as well. And I think any work be it Halo, or Star Wars, or even Destiny can be expanded on in other mediums without being ruined.
I think the key is to make any such expansions... good. The Halsey journal is one of my favorite pieces of literature of all time because of the way it enhanced a lot of what we knew about Halo. Halo 4's story that gave us a copy of Halo 3's Didact who we didn't really know was a copy and who, seemingly at random, decided that the best way to protect the galaxy was to turn an entire race into unthinking robots to fight a threat that had already been dealt with? Yeah, not so much.
Destiny, in particular and even more so than Halo, I think was made to be a universe that could support just about any kind of story. Already it is host to everything from undead zombies to space pirates to scifi military to time traveling robots. So yeah, I think it can easily be host to further extensions even in new mediums without becoming "broken" like Halo eventually did.
I've always stood by the idea that the reveal of the Forerunners was just mishandled. Mainly by 343i. Look instead at what Bungie was able to do with the Covenant. In Halo 1 they were a handful of unit types plus three vehicles and one type of warship. The extent of their culture and backstory could be summed up with: "Your destruction is the will of the gods, and we are their instruments." By Halo 2, they were a complex mix of cultures bound together for safety but falling apart under the weight of a well guarded lie. That's how you do it!
Or look at how the Forerunners went from a monolithic race who all sacrificed themselves for the greater good (in Halo 1) to the awesome story of the Didact and the Librarian (in Halo 3). Those Halo 3 terminals turned a race that was summed up by a single word (Forerunner) and a single idea (they built the Halos then all died to stop the Flood) into a story of love and longing and betrayal and sacrifice and a cool as heck space battle between AIs, all without ruining the mythos of the Forerunner. It too was the right way to do it.
But I think Contact Harvest was also the right way to do things. And the Halsey journal. And The Cole Protocol. And Halo Reach. And Halo Evolutions. Halo has had some highly questionable extensions of its lore, but has had some great ones as well. And I think any work be it Halo, or Star Wars, or even Destiny can be expanded on in other mediums without being ruined.
I think we're arguing the same point. I guess that's what I was getting at. Bungie has shown that they know how to expand upon their ideas in interesting ways. I agree that what I see as the diluting of the Halo franchise has happened under 343i's rule. And I'm not taking a dig at them, really; I liked Halo 4 for the most part. Halo 5 looks promising, I think. But the pace at which they're putting out novels (mostly bad ones), and for not very good reasons, is astounding. I think most of their novels are solely to set up their games: the Forerunner trilogy isn't that compelling, I don't think, but Halo 4 makes very little sense without having read them. I haven't read the new Buck novel (and it sounds okay), but it obviously sets up Buck as a Spartan. Hunters in the Dark wasn't a compelling read at all, but it introduces the Armigers.
I think the key is to make any such expansions... good. The Halsey journal is one of my favorite pieces of literature of all time because of the way it enhanced a lot of what we knew about Halo. Halo 4's story that gave us a copy of Halo 3's Didact who we didn't really know was a copy and who, seemingly at random, decided that the best way to protect the galaxy was to turn an entire race into unthinking robots to fight a threat that had already been dealt with? Yeah, not so much.
Again, agreed. Halsey's Journal is incredible, and something I still flip through from time to time. Easily my favorite part of the Reach collectibles.
Destiny, in particular and even more so than Halo, I think was made to be a universe that could support just about any kind of story. Already it is host to everything from undead zombies to space pirates to scifi military to time traveling robots. So yeah, I think it can easily be host to further extensions even in new mediums without becoming "broken" like Halo eventually did.
Yeah, this is the point I was trying to make, although in not as concise a manner. It seems to me that Halo grew too big, too fast. Microsoft realized they had a money printing machine on their hands, and capitalized on it as much as possible. Luckily, it turned out pretty well during the Bungie era, as far as the EU stuff is concerned. There were a few duds in there, but overall is was good.
I think Destiny could handle this sort of expanded universe approach, but they have to be extra careful about, since people are already so prone to grab the pitchforks in regard to how the story presently stands.
I could easily see an attempted cash grab causing it to expand drastically at some point and lower the output quality.
That being said, I would prefer to see them give hints and pieces of information over time to finish the story and leave it be that (just faster than George Martin's current pace). I'm still waiting for some form of spaceship battles where you are in control of a ship or a team of ships.

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by dogcow , Hiding from Bob, in the vent core., Monday, July 20, 2015, 01:13 (3514 days ago) @ Kuga
Dear George,
Please stop eating nachos and finish the books, if your not careful you'll end up like Robert Jordan.
Thanks,
The Internets
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by Claude Errera , Monday, July 20, 2015, 04:40 (3514 days ago) @ dogcow
Dear George,
Please stop eating nachos and finish the books, if your not careful you'll end up like Robert Jordan.
The thing is... this is only a problem if someone less good than Brandon Sanderson is around to catch your work before it falls.