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Pardon me, would you care for some ASSISTance? (Destiny)

by Robot Chickens, Saturday, August 01, 2015, 05:20 (3501 days ago)
edited by Robot Chickens, Saturday, August 01, 2015, 05:23

I decided to leave thorn behind for this Iron Banner and try out some other guns in prep for weapon balance 2.0 in a few months. Red Death is a fun gun. So it TDYK. I remember feeling way more productive in the games than I felt like my K/D reflected. Then I saw this category.

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Pardon me, would you care for some ASSISTance?

by nico, Saturday, August 01, 2015, 12:23 (3501 days ago) @ Robot Chickens

I've been thinking exactly the same thing, and am a little concerned that Thorn, delicious Thorn, has instilled some very lazy habits!

I never saved a TYDK and even dismantled my Lord High Fixer, foolish!

I do like my 1.0 Timur's Lashes, and am still playing around with rerolls. I have a "bursty" roll (random bullet does damage, send it (not field scout, for small mag), and faster reload when empty.

I have another one that has Aiming weapon increases range / Field Scout / Kills add extra damage, but that may be better for PvE.

Still learning about this Aim Assistance business -- is it noticeable?

What would be some rolls to look for in PvP in your option?

Full auto scout rifles really destroy in IB.

by TeejayF, Sunny California, Saturday, August 01, 2015, 13:04 (3501 days ago) @ nico

I use NL Shadow a lot with high impact and full auto.

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PvP weapons and rolls

by CruelLEGACEY @, Toronto, Saturday, August 01, 2015, 13:19 (3501 days ago) @ nico

Still learning about this Aim Assistance business -- is it noticeable?

What would be some rolls to look for in PvP in your option?

I find the aim assist boosts are helpful... not drastic, but it does make a bit of a difference, and sometimes that can mean all the difference :)

If you're asking about Hand Cannon perks specifically, it's tough to say what will work out best until we get our hands on 2.0 and see exactly how drastic the range & accuracy stats have been nerfed. One thing I'm interested in experimenting with is perk combos that turn the new smaller clip size into an advantage. I'm in the process of re-rolling my Timur's Lash with the hope of getting Luck in the Chamber, Send It, and Final Round. That way 2 bullets in each clip will do bonus damage... in a clip of only 5 or 6 rounds, that's a fairly high percentage of shots with extra damage.

At the moment, I'm finding Pulse Rifles to be the best weapons overall for PvP... yes, even better than Thorn or Last Word. I was joking with TheeChaos and Ottermack last week that I'm actually happy when I see a team running nothing but Thorns, because I know I can beat them with my Pulse Rifles :) They're a bit disadvantaged at close range (especially against Last Word), but I tend to roll with a shotgun so I switch to that if I'm fighting up close.

The perks to look for with Pulse Rifles IMO are Headseeker (body shots increase crit damage for a short time) and anything that boosts stability. A sight that boosts target acquisition is always a plus, too. I've got 3 Pulse Rifles that are extremely effective in PvP:

The Messenger

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Word spread about this bad boy pretty quickly. It has fantastic range and stability, and high impact. The rate of fire is slow, but the high impact and Headseeker perk mean you can kill another guardian in 2 shots. Just aim for your target's chest to land the initial body shot, and the weapon's slight recoil will naturally pull your other bullets up towards the head.


55a-allFATE

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I just finished upgrading this beauty a couple days ago, and I'm loving it. It's got Headseeker, Outlaw (fast reloads), and Smallbore (bonus stability). The impact isn't quite as high as the Messenger's, but the rate of fire is higher. So the typical time-to-kill is about the same. This allFATE will almost kill in 2 bursts... if you're target has taken any damage, 2 shots is all you need. Otherwise a quick 3rd shot will finish the job.
The higher rate of fire means this weapon is a bit better at close/mid range than other Pulse Rifles.


Spare Change.25

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In terms of base stats, the Spare Change is very similar to the Messenger. Slightly less stable, but more range. I rolled mine for Rodeo and Smallbore, both of which boost the stability. And of course Headseeker, which makes this gun a 2-shot kill.


Hope that helps give you a few ideas! Above all else, experiment and see what works best with your playstyle. I have a feeling that 2.0 will return Auto Rifles to much of their former glory, so it might be a good time to get some practice in with those, too.

Bad juju destroys in IB

by Raflection, Saturday, August 01, 2015, 13:38 (3501 days ago) @ CruelLEGACEY

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+1. Can confirm.

by ZackDark @, Not behind you. NO! Don't look., Saturday, August 01, 2015, 15:03 (3501 days ago) @ Raflection

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Need to try it

by CruelLEGACEY @, Toronto, Saturday, August 01, 2015, 16:42 (3501 days ago) @ ZackDark

I haven't taken Bad Juju for a spin since the Pulse Rifle buff a couple months back. Look forward to taking it for a spin!

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Timur's Lash...

by Mid7night ⌂ @, Rocket BSCHSHCSHSHCCHGGH!!!!!!, Saturday, August 01, 2015, 17:22 (3501 days ago) @ CruelLEGACEY

Aren't Luck in the Chamber and Final Round on the same node? I didn't think you could get both....

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Timur's Lash...

by CruelLEGACEY @, Toronto, Saturday, August 01, 2015, 17:25 (3501 days ago) @ Mid7night

Aren't Luck in the Chamber and Final Round on the same node? I didn't think you could get both....

I'm pretty sure Luck in the Chamber is in the first node, while Finale Round is in the last node. At least, I hope so... otherwise I've wasted about 400 weapon parts O_o

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Timur's Lash...

by Zero @, Florida, Saturday, August 01, 2015, 17:31 (3501 days ago) @ CruelLEGACEY

I am 100% sure they are on 2 different nodes. I've had a Revelator and Loner.Rebel with the same perk combination. It's just extremely difficult to get them together. Hell, I wiped out my entire stash of weapon parts just to get it on the Loner.Rebel

http://www.destinydb.com/items/3582249030-timurs-lash#14.1ykicqt;15.1,1,0:2,2:3,4:4,6:5,1:7,2,0:8,0,0

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Timur's Lash...

by bluerunner @, Music City, Saturday, August 01, 2015, 17:35 (3501 days ago) @ Zero

I've got that combo on a Red Hand IX along with braced frame. Almost maxed stability. For smaller maps I've been using it, and swapping to TDYK for larger maps. It's worked well for me.

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sweeeeeeeet

by CruelLEGACEY @, Toronto, Saturday, August 01, 2015, 17:37 (3501 days ago) @ Zero

Looks great! I was already running low on weapon parts thanks to the Spare Change I rerolled a couple weeks ago (24,750 glimmer later, I got my perfect roll), and I blew what I had left on my Timur's Lash a couple days ago. Good to know it is possible, though. I'll just keep trying as I get more weapons parts.

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Timur's Lash...

by Xenos @, Shores of Time, Saturday, August 01, 2015, 17:28 (3501 days ago) @ Mid7night

Aren't Luck in the Chamber and Final Round on the same node? I didn't think you could get both....

Nope! Luck in the chamber is in the 3 perk section and final round in the last perk node.

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that's a relief! lol

by CruelLEGACEY @, Toronto, Saturday, August 01, 2015, 17:30 (3501 days ago) @ Xenos

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Timur's Lash...

by Mid7night ⌂ @, Rocket BSCHSHCSHSHCCHGGH!!!!!!, Saturday, August 01, 2015, 17:41 (3501 days ago) @ Xenos

Aren't Luck in the Chamber and Final Round on the same node? I didn't think you could get both....


Nope! Luck in the chamber is in the 3 perk section and final round in the last perk node.

Does it matter which "version" of TL you have? I have one post CE but pre HoW.

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Timur's Lash...

by Xenos @, Shores of Time, Saturday, August 01, 2015, 17:45 (3501 days ago) @ Mid7night

Aren't Luck in the Chamber and Final Round on the same node? I didn't think you could get both....


Nope! Luck in the chamber is in the 3 perk section and final round in the last perk node.


Does it matter which "version" of TL you have? I have one post CE but pre HoW.

New one has it as well I believe. DestinyDB shows it having those perks as options as well as new perks (such as triple tap and icarus) so I'm pretty sure you can still get it even with a post HoW version.

Edit: Here's the DestinyDB link: http://www.destinydb.com/items/3582249030-timurs-lash

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Good to know....

by Mid7night ⌂ @, Rocket BSCHSHCSHSHCCHGGH!!!!!!, Saturday, August 01, 2015, 17:49 (3501 days ago) @ Xenos

Guess I've got some rolling to do! I've got Final Round but didn't even realize LitC was an option.

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Hate to burst the bubble...

by Mid7night ⌂ @, Rocket BSCHSHCSHSHCCHGGH!!!!!!, Saturday, August 01, 2015, 19:20 (3501 days ago) @ Xenos

Aren't Luck in the Chamber and Final Round on the same node? I didn't think you could get both....


Nope! Luck in the chamber is in the 3 perk section and final round in the last perk node.

But it looks like for the "DLC1" version of TL, you CANNOT roll LitC and Final Round together. They are both on the final perk node. :(

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Pre-HoW you can't, weird...

by Xenos @, Shores of Time, Saturday, August 01, 2015, 19:24 (3501 days ago) @ Mid7night

Aren't Luck in the Chamber and Final Round on the same node? I didn't think you could get both....


Nope! Luck in the chamber is in the 3 perk section and final round in the last perk node.


But it looks like for the "DLC1" version of TL, you CANNOT roll LitC and Final Round together. They are both on the final perk node. :(

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Sad day! Weird that you can with the post HoW but not the pre-How...

At least you can get Timer's Lash from post HoW this very week.

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Pre-HoW you can't, weird...

by Mid7night ⌂ @, Rocket BSCHSHCSHSHCCHGGH!!!!!!, Saturday, August 01, 2015, 19:27 (3501 days ago) @ Xenos

It's DEFINITELY weird...the later-DLC version actually got BETTER. :P

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Pre-HoW you can't, weird...

by Xenos @, Shores of Time, Saturday, August 01, 2015, 19:29 (3501 days ago) @ Mid7night

It's DEFINITELY weird...the later-DLC version actually got BETTER. :P

I actually thought you could get it pre-TDB, but I'm wrong. So not as strange as I thought.

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Fffffff&:$/)%]^£}¥#•!!!!

by CruelLEGACEY @, Toronto, Saturday, August 01, 2015, 19:34 (3501 days ago) @ Mid7night

Welp. Looks like I'm buying a new Timur's Lash.

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Fffffff&:$/)%]^£}¥#•!!!!

by Mid7night ⌂ @, Rocket BSCHSHCSHSHCCHGGH!!!!!!, Saturday, August 01, 2015, 19:40 (3501 days ago) @ CruelLEGACEY

Welp. Looks like I'm buying a new Timur's Lash.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking, but I'm not sure. I wasn't planing on really playing IB that seriously this time around...plus I really want to finish my A-10.... ;)

Banner doesn't leave until Monday-night/Tuesday-morning, right?

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Correct

by CruelLEGACEY @, Toronto, Saturday, August 01, 2015, 20:01 (3501 days ago) @ Mid7night

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by bluerunner @, Music City, Saturday, August 01, 2015, 17:42 (3501 days ago) @ CruelLEGACEY

Love my Hopscotch Pilgrim. I had Spare Change and a really good A55, but it's better all around. Maxed stability with braced frame and a 30 round mag. Pretty easy to 2 shot at close and medium ranges.

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by MacAddictXIV @, Seattle WA, Monday, August 03, 2015, 11:40 (3499 days ago) @ bluerunner

Love my Hopscotch Pilgrim. I had Spare Change and a really good A55, but it's better all around. Maxed stability with braced frame and a 30 round mag. Pretty easy to 2 shot at close and medium ranges.

Yeah, I died a lot to Hopscotch this IB. Really annoying gun.

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