https://www.bungie.net/en/News/News?aid=13474

Shotgun damage initially was set to be 10% lower, for example. Now they basically halved it. I guess I'm going to go ahead and quit using those again. Fusion rifles got a PvE buff. Lots of little details in there.

EDIT: Man they DESTROYED Field Scout. Just annihilated it.

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Map droids have been removed from North Tower, Plaza, and Hangar

Rest in peace, you useless, soulless robots.

I was searching for some way to lessen the impact of this news, but I think Bungie nerfed that, too.

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My Supremacies and my Send It Red Hand are weeping.

Whoa.

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My two favorites:

- Ward of Dawn now stops ground effect attacks like Arc Blade and Fist of Havoc's straight line shockwaves. ANY PvP buff for Defenders is both welcome and needed!
- The big maps are back in control (but with no vehicles). Can't wait to play First Light again. :)

Ram reduced, Spine stiffened. Exotic ARs buffed. Exotic HCs nerfed.

Bungie be like: "Put those guns away, use the new crap!!"

I knew it was coming, but not like this. :(

I was surprised by the PvE nerf, but maybe they are trying to make swords more relevant?

Patch notes are mirrored on the Reddit thread here

• Cinematics can now be skipped

I'm positive it will be fine, Bungie knows what they're doing, but I'm worried I won't like that a lot of the guns might end up being the same. The entire middle perk tree is basically gone.

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I won't know until 3 hours from now when the patch downloads, BUT

I am very surprised to see only the perks nerfed on shotguns, rather than the the amount of range inherent to the guns. Even without the perks, you can still get kills from some distance away in PvP. This will help, but it is not a solution in the long term.

I also get what they are doing to fusion rifles. They want to make long range ones less deadly, and short range ones better for competing with shotguns. Again, shotguns will still win, and everybody who loves fusion rifles loses because the long range ones were the only ones that were actually any good.

As for the incredible nerf to shotguns in PvE, I will only accept this if there are not any bullet sponge enemies anymore.

Expect a full field test shortly.

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From the very limited twitch stream swords look really, really powerful.

We've known the range wasn't going to be changed. I think the previous weapon balance notes said that explicitly. Also, the critical hit factor is being reduced, right? Hopefully along with the nerf to the range perks this will add up to a bigger overall nerf than it might otherwise imply.

Hmm.

So it appears that if you put on better armor, you will do more damage because your light average is higher. That's pretty stupid.

• Cinematics can now be skipped

I want to know how this will work. Hope it's not like Halo, where any player on a team can make it skip for everyone. Generally, I wouldn't mind, but if Destiny year two is going to have a better story, then I'll care more about submersion and won't want to skip. At the very least, I hope they don't let us skip on first viewing.

Glad to see Thunderlord get some love. It was already my Gjally substitute on the PS4.

And now, instead of 14 levels, we get like 140 light. But it's a simpler and better system, according to random people online. All right, random people. We'll see. But it's not looking to be significantly different than it was before.

At least on pre-HoW shotguns, all range perks have been nerfed by 50%. That should make a pretty big difference, considering those perks were compulsory for an OP shotgun build.

Fusion rifles seem like they've just been re-nerfed, honestly. At least they;ll be on par with Shotguns for PvE now I guess? *shrug*

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We'll see. But it's not looking to be significantly different than it was before.

In the words of Bernard Black - "I'd go further than that. I'd say it was more-or-less exactly the same. Except!... Nah, it's the same."

Defender
Line attacks (Fist of Havoc Shockwave and Arc Blade Razor’s Edge) can now no longer penetrate Ward of Dawn

Woo!

You wanna tangle with me? Step into my ring & lets duke it out.

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Nothing selectable yet aside from the default, but I'm guessing that's going to be coming.

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Yeah, so... that REALLY hurts Thunderlord. Will I be able to get it up to full firing speed now? I doubt it. (Plus, it really hampers my swap between perfect-balance & field-scout trick in PvP to have a mag of 60 with amazing balance, that was so great).

Hmm.

So it appears that if you put on better armor, you will do more damage because your light average is higher. That's pretty stupid.

Technically it has always been this way. Better armor/more light = higher level = more damage output.

Saw a tweet from someone saying their Stranger's Rifle was now a legendary weapon instead of rare. Can anyone confirm?

Only to Year 1 max though.

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In the Director screen to the top left of the empty circle on the right.

Hmm.

So it appears that if you put on better armor, you will do more damage because your light average is higher. That's pretty stupid.

Technically it has always been this way. Better armor/more light = higher level = more damage output.

No it hasn't. Go into the vault of glass normal as a level 26. Note how much damage you do. Now put on armor to get to level 34. How much damage do you do? The exact same amount. A higher level does not increase your damage done. It only make a difference between 4 and 1 levels below the enemy.

My two favorites:

- Ward of Dawn now stops ground effect attacks like Arc Blade and Fist of Havoc's straight line shockwaves. ANY PvP buff for Defenders is both welcome and needed!

I hope this includes the arc wave from psions too. I hate those things during an arc burn.

Thunderlord
Arc detonation chance for Lightning Rounds kill increased to 50%
Magazine size increased to offset ammo stat changes

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WE DID IT, DBO!!!

Can you stop them from being skipped by other people on your fireteam?

Improved damage validation systems to reduce the effectiveness of players with extreme lag

For example I played Dust Palace in the strike playlist and have 10 out of 9 cards unlocked.

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Can you stop them from being skipped by other people on your fireteam?

I'm going to rage at anyone in my fireteam who skip the cinematics on the first play through if they can force me to skip them... Maybe I'll have to make sure to do them solo.

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It is, it's JUST The Stranger's Rifle so far that uses marks. Which makes sense considering a lot of new people are going to get it long before they get to Prison of Elders.

I gather there's definitely more coming, given Bungie's Twitter comment:

New Patrols are not currently granting rewards in Update 2.0. Enjoy them for now, but they won't pay out until 09/15.

-- Steve's eager to find out what's what. C'mon, punchclock, tick faster...

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That's the way I play any game with a story mode (or at least, the ones that are supposed to have a story mode). First run I'll be solo and appearing offline until I complete the main story line. My alts can run with a fireteam if I know someone else who's still running them.

-Disciple

It is also a level 42 raid. With modifiers.

Hmm.

Can you stop them from being skipped by other people on your fireteam?

I'm going to rage at anyone in my fireteam who skip the cinematics on the first play through if they can force me to skip them... Maybe I'll have to make sure to do them solo.

I'd really like a few people to test this. (I might not be on tonight.) My hope is that everyone on the team must vote to skip.

Can you stop them from being skipped by other people on your fireteam?

I'm going to rage at anyone in my fireteam who skip the cinematics on the first play through if they can force me to skip them... Maybe I'll have to make sure to do them solo.

I'd really like a few people to test this. (I might not be on tonight.) My hope is that everyone on the team must vote to skip.

Fireteam leader does it I think. Works the same way going to orbit or backing out of matchmaking works.

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The Bungie app tipped me off to the new modifiers that can be randomly selected in the heroic strike playlist

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Via Luke Smith on twitter

Missing Patch Note: Weapon perks now trigger audio cues and HUD icons when their perks activate.

That is super neat.

Is there a list of changes that aren't documented in the Patch Notes and/or something that goes into more detail where the Patch Notes are only vague.

I seem to remember some enterprising people coming up with such lists before. There's been mentions here but it would be nice to see a comprehensive list. Haven't found anything on DestinyRedit yet where I am usually told to find such things.

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Anyone else just digging sitting in the orbit screen, listening to the new tunes?

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According to the latest Planet Destiny video, you can go to the abandoned quests kiosk, complete the "Fruit of the Garden" quest and you'll get a new one.

-Disciple