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Nolan North sounds considerably less bored. (Destiny)

by Kermit @, Raleigh, NC, Tuesday, September 08, 2015, 21:53 (3601 days ago)

Why #sorryMarty?

by Pyromancy @, Tuesday, September 08, 2015, 22:18 (3601 days ago) @ Kermit

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#notmyghost

by Cody Miller @, Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Wednesday, September 09, 2015, 00:12 (3601 days ago) @ Pyromancy

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Nolan North sounds considerably less bored.

by Funkmon @, Tuesday, September 08, 2015, 22:22 (3601 days ago) @ Kermit

I do like him better in general, but I think in the endearing moments, like "Don't do that," where Dinklebot came to life a little, I think I like Peter Dinklage. This is just judging from videos like the one you showed though.

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Nolan North sounds considerably less bored.

by narcogen ⌂ @, Andover, Massachusetts, Wednesday, September 09, 2015, 05:57 (3601 days ago) @ Funkmon

I do like him better in general, but I think in the endearing moments, like "Don't do that," where Dinklebot came to life a little, I think I like Peter Dinklage. This is just judging from videos like the one you showed though.

I think the problem is that for most of the dialogue, the even, almost blasé delivery that Dinklage gave was at odds with the way the character was written, which was something like the worrywart that C-3P0 became when Anthony Daniels starting playing him (rather than the used car salesman that Lucas wrote him as.)

For most of the ordinary lines, North's performance-- and it's hard not to imagine that his instructions were basically "hey, make it sound like Guilty Spark, everybody loved him"-- seems more in keeping with the tone of the way things are written. He's always a bit worried but trying to sound optimistic.

The few times that Dinklage's delivery worked, which was in the two best cutscenes in the game, the ones introducing and closing out Venus-- North's does not work as well, IMO.

On the early Earth levels I think Nolan's interpretation has already won me over, mostly.

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I think it's pretty bad

by Cody Miller @, Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Tuesday, September 08, 2015, 22:45 (3601 days ago) @ Kermit
edited by Cody Miller, Tuesday, September 08, 2015, 22:50

I cannot stand the new ghost. He is like someone poorly imitating 343 Guilty Spark. I am considerably warmer about Peter's performance now…

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Not sure I agree based on the video.

by BeardFade ⌂, Portland, OR, Tuesday, September 08, 2015, 23:09 (3601 days ago) @ Kermit

"DOS is more complicated" is the only line I find to be decidedly better delivered than Dinklebot.

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I don't know if I have a favorite, but I loved...

by Leviathan ⌂, Hotel Zanzibar, Tuesday, September 08, 2015, 23:26 (3601 days ago) @ Kermit

... landing on the Moon for Patrol and hearing NEW dialogue coming out of the Ghost. Add in all the new music in the menus, the new Patrol missions and bounties, and some of the tweaked sound effects I've heard, and it feels 100% less stale of a game than it did last night.

And I haven't even bought The Taken King yet. :)

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Haha, Levi's optimism is great around here

by ZackDark @, Not behind you. NO! Don't look., Wednesday, September 09, 2015, 00:10 (3601 days ago) @ Leviathan

If only he wasn't rubbing it in about Fiber in every post...

;p

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Haha, Levi's optimism is great around here

by Xenos @, Shores of Time, Wednesday, September 09, 2015, 12:39 (3601 days ago) @ ZackDark

If only he wasn't rubbing it in about Fiber in every post...

;p

I thought that was me? (My update downloaded in 10-15 minutes)

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Haha, Levi's optimism is great around here

by dogcow @, Hiding from Bob, in the vent core., Wednesday, September 09, 2015, 12:42 (3601 days ago) @ Xenos

You're in Provo with that jerky google fiber aren't you? What a jerk. (this is coming from someone who's about 1/2 mile out of Provo city limits)

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:-D

by Xenos @, Shores of Time, Wednesday, September 09, 2015, 12:43 (3601 days ago) @ dogcow

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Haha, Levi's optimism is great around here

by Schedonnardus, Texas, Wednesday, September 09, 2015, 15:28 (3601 days ago) @ Xenos

my was about 45mins, although i did travel 25 miles in the snow, uphill both ways to download it.

Nope, game over

by Avateur @, Wednesday, September 09, 2015, 00:40 (3601 days ago) @ Kermit
edited by Avateur, Wednesday, September 09, 2015, 00:43

Best line in the entire game was "We've woken the Hive!" Totally ruined. Destiny blows now.

In all seriousness, I did love Dinklebot's version of that line, and the new version totally sucks. Destiny's still awesome, though. :D

Edit: Oh man, this voice acting is horrible all around. I should have listened to the full video before posting. #codywasright(again)

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Nolan North sounds considerably less bored.

by dogcow @, Hiding from Bob, in the vent core., Wednesday, September 09, 2015, 00:41 (3601 days ago) @ Kermit

So, uhhm... I think I prefer Dinklebot.

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One great voice actor and one great screen actor...

by DiscipleN2k @, Edmond, OK, Wednesday, September 09, 2015, 01:14 (3601 days ago) @ dogcow

Neither could make the dialogue not sound boring and cheesy.

Have we reached a point where we have to admit that it's the lines that are bad and not the actors?

-Disciple

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Ding ding ding! We have a winner!

by LostSpartan, Wednesday, September 09, 2015, 01:32 (3601 days ago) @ DiscipleN2k

While I personally really like what North has brought to Ghost (seriously I love it. When has a comparison to Guilty Spark ever been a bad thing?), I'm seeing this same sentiment echoed in other corners of the Destiny fandom. If two actors who are considered to be very good at what they do can't deliver a performance that is viewed as more than just mediocre, then I think we need to quit blaming the actors themselves, and instead turn our attention to the real culprits: the lines that were written as well as the direction that was given to them as they recorded.

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its the direction and here's why

by Cody Miller @, Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Wednesday, September 09, 2015, 02:00 (3601 days ago) @ DiscipleN2k

After hearing enough of these, it's definitely Bungie's fault. The reason it's clear is because a lot of the lines aren't just read differently, but come from a completely different character emotion. Lines that were fearful are now confused. Determined are now inquisitive. Etc.

Good writers know what their characters are thinking at any given time. Given their history and personality, here's how they react or act in a given situation. So the fact that these basic motivations don't seem to sync up tells me that internally they just don't have a solid grasp of the character at all.

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its the direction and here's why

by narcogen ⌂ @, Andover, Massachusetts, Wednesday, September 09, 2015, 05:58 (3601 days ago) @ Cody Miller

After hearing enough of these, it's definitely Bungie's fault. The reason it's clear is because a lot of the lines aren't just read differently, but come from a completely different character emotion. Lines that were fearful are now confused. Determined are now inquisitive. Etc.

Good writers know what their characters are thinking at any given time. Given their history and personality, here's how they react or act in a given situation. So the fact that these basic motivations don't seem to sync up tells me that internally they just don't have a solid grasp of the character at all.

I think you've got it right here. They know they need this kind of companion character, but they don't know what they want him to be like. Maybe they just want him to be everything to everyone, so he ends up being anybody to no one.

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its the direction and here's why

by Kermit @, Raleigh, NC, Wednesday, September 09, 2015, 12:01 (3601 days ago) @ Cody Miller

I think it's more the writing than the direction. I'm not saying it's great now, but I'm liking what North does with the material. He has more personality, but he still has to say some pretty mundane things.

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its the direction and here's why

by DiscipleN2k @, Edmond, OK, Wednesday, September 09, 2015, 12:35 (3601 days ago) @ Cody Miller

After hearing enough of these, it's definitely Bungie's fault. The reason it's clear is because a lot of the lines aren't just read differently, but come from a completely different character emotion. Lines that were fearful are now confused. Determined are now inquisitive. Etc.

Good writers know what their characters are thinking at any given time. Given their history and personality, here's how they react or act in a given situation. So the fact that these basic motivations don't seem to sync up tells me that internally they just don't have a solid grasp of the character at all.

I can definitely see that. I couldn't help but think, while listening to lines from both actors, that even I could have done a better job. I just chalked it up to ego, but maybe it's because I've played the game and I know the emotions that should be appropriate for each scene.

That said, there were definitely some lines that I don't think anyone could have delivered well.


-Disciple

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+1 to Mr. Disciple once more

by ZackDark @, Not behind you. NO! Don't look., Wednesday, September 09, 2015, 13:53 (3601 days ago) @ DiscipleN2k

I feel like whoever actually wrote the lines were not present during the recording.

People keep forgetting

by someotherguy, Hertfordshire, England, Wednesday, September 09, 2015, 13:13 (3601 days ago) @ Cody Miller

North isn't replacing Dinklage because Dinklage was bad. Bungie never said there was anything wrong with Peter's performance. At the very least they liked it enough that it made it into the final release.

They replaced him because they couldn't or wouldn't get him back for TTK. It seems much more likely that Dinklage was unabailable for other reasons (cost seems like a good bet), and rightly felt that it would be strange to have different voice actors playing the same character.

Everyone's been talking about how much "better" Nolan should be, but it seems evident that Bungie liked the Ghost as he was and didn't want to change things too drastically.

We've created this narrative than an outraged Bungie shooed an eager but disappointing Dinklage away, intending to rebuild and improve the entire character, when really they've just changed the voice a bit - just like they said they would.

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Destiny 2 - Jen taylor re-records all lines ;)

by Schedonnardus, Texas, Wednesday, September 09, 2015, 15:30 (3601 days ago) @ Cody Miller

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Destiny 2 - Jen taylor re-records all lines ;)

by CruelLEGACEY @, Toronto, Wednesday, September 09, 2015, 15:34 (3601 days ago) @ Schedonnardus

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One great voice actor and one great screen actor...

by INSANEdrive, ಥ_ಥ | f(ಠ‿↼)z | ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ| ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, Thursday, September 10, 2015, 02:37 (3600 days ago) @ DiscipleN2k

Neither could make the dialogue not sound boring and cheesy.

Have we reached a point where we have to admit that it's the lines that are bad and not the actors?

-Disciple

Lines are bad, but I think its more the Audio Director. Some of this lines are just... UGH! Someone at Bungie said yes to what sounds like Nolan warming up. It also doesn't help that we went from a low to high. I can't help but hear 343 Guilty spark, but with worse delivery (in some spots).

Why not just give us two voice options?

by DreadPirateWes, Wednesday, September 09, 2015, 03:18 (3601 days ago) @ Kermit

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Because of the new dialogue they couldn't get Dinklage for?

by Leviathan ⌂, Hotel Zanzibar, Wednesday, September 09, 2015, 03:25 (3601 days ago) @ DreadPirateWes

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That's a very good reason!

by DreadPirateWes, Wednesday, September 09, 2015, 12:53 (3601 days ago) @ Leviathan

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