So Stormcaller is Palpatine and Sunbreakers are Thor, which makes Nightstalker...what?

So Stormcaller is Palpatine and Sunbreakers are Thor, which makes Nightstalker...what?

Arrows and the color purple says Hawkeye to me!

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Simmering Flames, Melting Point, Stoke the Forge, Forgemaster. Sunbreaker feels more like Hephaestus, with the Blacksmith motif.

when we tie the Sunbreaker to a rock and have a roc eat his liver on a daily basis.

Sincerely,
Every Golden Gunner Everywhere.

when we tie the Sunbreaker to a rock and have a roc eat his liver on a daily basis.

Sincerely,
Every Hunter Everywhere.

Fixed that for you.

when we tie the Sunbreaker to a rock and have a roc eat his liver on a daily basis.

Sincerely,
Every Golden Gunner Everywhere.

Yeah, now you know how it felt being a Titan prior to TTK.

Based entirely on him being a legendary blacksmith. I don't think Thor would have a fire hammer.

when we tie the Sunbreaker to a rock and have a roc eat his liver on a daily basis.

Sincerely,
Every Golden Gunner Everywhere.

Yeah, now you know how it felt being a Titan prior to TTK.

I played Titan before TTK in Crucible, at least you kept your super if you got killed mid super. Now you can hit a Sunbreaker, not kill them, then die before you can shoot them again, bye bye super with nothing to show for it.

I think you mean Prometheus?

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when we tie the Sunbreaker to a rock and have a roc eat his liver on a daily basis.

Sincerely,
Every Golden Gunner Everywhere.

Yeah, now you know how it felt being a Titan prior to TTK.

I played Titan before TTK in Crucible, at least you kept your super if you got killed mid super. Now you can hit a Sunbreaker, not kill them, then die before you can shoot them again, bye bye super with nothing to show for it.

This is true. But that's also true for Sunbreakers (if I remember correctly). The thing that differs is that it much more forgiving to miss with hammers because of splash. On the other hand it's much easier to hit a golden gun shot than a hammer and also it has much longer range.

Of course this is all from experience of fighting Golden Gunners, not using it :-)

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That keeping your wildly inferior Super if you die is the only good quality of a Striker speaks volumes about how miserable Titans used to be in PvP.

Sunbreaker still needs a nerf though. Just health reduction would be a good place to start.

This is true. But that's also true for Sunbreakers (if I remember correctly). The thing that differs is that it much more forgiving to miss with hammers because of splash. On the other hand it's much easier to hit a golden gun shot than a hammer and also it has much longer range.

Of course this is all from experience of fighting Golden Gunners, not using it :-)

The other HUGE difference is that Sunbreakers can take a LOT more punishment. One good sniper or shotgunner and you're dead before you even get a shot off. Meanwhile I've double Chaperoned a Sunbreaker in the head, they had a tiny sliver left, killed me, and got all their health back.

Ef hann yrpi honum til, þá myndi hann aldri missa ok aldri fljúga svá langt, at eigi myndi hann sækja heim hönd, ok ef þat vildi, þá var hann svá lítill, at hafa mátti serk sér

"If he threw him, he would never miss and never fly so far he would not return to his hand, and if he willed it, he was so little he could have it in his shirt."

Sounds like our hammer.

I wonder if Mjölnir is powerful in itself, and Thor was the lame one. In the famous story about it, it says he has to wear gloves to use it, and it was stolen from him fairly easily. If that were the case, maybe it's not the fact that a god is using it that imbues it with power, and if any god had it, like Sól, it could use HER element, basically like we see in the game.

So, even if we're not Thor, we can still use the hammer made for him.

Boring etymology fact: while it's widely known that Thursday means Thor's day, there are a few other things I like to bring up in dinner parties to make sure people leave me alone. In English he was Þunor, not Þor. Sound familiar? Later there was a bout of excrescence (similar to what makes mince sound like mints in some speakers) and we got thunder from Þunor. The two pronunciations existed together from aroudn 1300 until 1500, when the thunner one died out. The same thing happened to it in Dutch, giving them dunder (or donder, now). What goes along with dunder? Blixem (or in German, Blitzen). Now to bring it around. Thursday is Thor's day. Thursday in German is Donnerstag. They're the same word.

In early English, Thursday was Ðunresdæg. The Ð is an eth, which is like the th in "that" and æ is an ash, which sounds like the a in father. G and Y were practically the same in Old English, and d was pronounced a little harder than it is today, giving it a t sound. Basically, if you said the Old English word for Thursday in Germany today, people would look at you funny but know what you meant.

But that's just because I'm deeply in love with Jennifer Lawrence ;)

when we tie the Sunbreaker to a rock and have a roc eat his liver on a daily basis.

Sincerely,
Every Golden Gunner Everywhere.

Yeah, now you know how it felt being a Titan prior to TTK.

I played Titan before TTK in Crucible, at least you kept your super if you got killed mid super. Now you can hit a Sunbreaker, not kill them, then die before you can shoot them again, bye bye super with nothing to show for it.

I can pop into Sunbreaker, and instantly get shot by a Nightstalker - I can't use my super, I can't really move, I get killed, and the Super is gone.

It's rock paper scissors, dude. You just have to hope you're not facing rock when you're scissors. :)

when we tie the Sunbreaker to a rock and have a roc eat his liver on a daily basis.

Sincerely,
Every Golden Gunner Everywhere.

Yeah, now you know how it felt being a Titan prior to TTK.

I played Titan before TTK in Crucible, at least you kept your super if you got killed mid super. Now you can hit a Sunbreaker, not kill them, then die before you can shoot them again, bye bye super with nothing to show for it.

I can pop into Sunbreaker, and instantly get shot by a Nightstalker - I can't use my super, I can't really move, I get killed, and the Super is gone.

It's rock paper scissors, dude. You just have to hope you're not facing rock when you're scissors. :)

This argument doesn't hold water to me. A suppression grenade takes you out of sunbreaker but I seriously doubt you'd argue defender is a better pvp spec because of it.

I can pop into Sunbreaker, and instantly get shot by a Nightstalker - I can't use my super, I can't really move, I get killed, and the Super is gone.

It's rock paper scissors, dude. You just have to hope you're not facing rock when you're scissors. :)

Right but that stops EVERY super (I've even shut down Fist of Havoc before they hit the ground) but it's a SUPER, it SHOULD be able to shut down another super if used at the right time. Stopping a Sunbreaker without a super, or even with other supers is very difficult compared to every other super in the game.

Also, to your point, the number of times I tether 3-5 people and then die because they can kill me before I even land would probably surprise you. I'm not saying Nightstalker isn't good, because it absolutely is, it's just not a killing machine like Sunbreaker is.

It's rock paper scissors, dude. You just have to hope you're not facing rock when you're scissors. :)

Not quite...

Rock Paper Scissors means A>B>C>A
Destiny PvP right now is S> The entire alphabet, except sometimes Q ;)

(I'm being 80% snarky... I do feel the list of possible ways to beat a Sunbreaker is small compared to the list of ways to beat other supers).

It's rock paper scissors, dude. You just have to hope you're not facing rock when you're scissors. :)

Not quite...

Rock Paper Scissors means A>B>C>A
Destiny PvP right now is S> The entire alphabet, except sometimes Q ;)

(I'm being 80% snarky... I do feel the list of possible ways to beat a Sunbreaker is small compared to the list of ways to beat other supers).

Hunter OP. Both Shadowshot and Golden Gun wreck Sunbreakers. This could actually be a roundabout way of reducing the ubiquity of the Blade Dancer.

It's rock paper scissors, dude. You just have to hope you're not facing rock when you're scissors. :)

Not quite...

Rock Paper Scissors means A>B>C>A
Destiny PvP right now is S> The entire alphabet, except sometimes Q ;)

(I'm being 80% snarky... I do feel the list of possible ways to beat a Sunbreaker is small compared to the list of ways to beat other supers).

I would be perfectly okay if GGunners could one shot SunBreakers. But only if they only got one shot. Because then they would become just like FistOfPanic.

I would be perfectly okay if GGunners could one shot SunBreakers. But only if they only got one shot. Because then they would become just like FistOfPanic.

See, but that's the issue, the only supers that right now can reliably survive a Golden Gun shot are the two that happen all at once (Fist of Havoc and Nova Bomb) and then for some reason Sunbreakers. They are the ONLY roaming Super that can regularly survive a Golden Gun shot. With the average number of kills being significantly higher than Fist of Havoc or Nova Bomb, does that not indicate an imbalance?

I would be perfectly okay if GGunners could one shot SunBreakers. But only if they only got one shot. Because then they would become just like FistOfPanic.

See, but that's the issue, the only supers that right now can reliably survive a Golden Gun shot are the two that happen all at once (Fist of Havoc and Nova Bomb) and then for some reason Sunbreakers. They are the ONLY roaming Super that can regularly survive a Golden Gun shot. With the average number of kills being significantly higher than Fist of Havoc or Nova Bomb, does that not indicate an imbalance?

Ding ding ding! it's an imbalance. Also if you GG a nova bomb or striker mid-animation, but before they fire their thingy off, they respawn with full super. If you kill a GGer mid-animation (easy to do since he has no damage reduction), he loses his super without ever firing a shot.

I would be perfectly okay if GGunners could one shot SunBreakers. But only if they only got one shot. Because then they would become just like FistOfPanic.

See, but that's the issue, the only supers that right now can reliably survive a Golden Gun shot are the two that happen all at once (Fist of Havoc and Nova Bomb) and then for some reason Sunbreakers. They are the ONLY roaming Super that can regularly survive a Golden Gun shot. With the average number of kills being significantly higher than Fist of Havoc or Nova Bomb, does that not indicate an imbalance?

What they need to do is have Hammers have fall off damage at range and have Golden Guns have fall off at closer range. Because I'm still a firm believer that if you engage a SB in close combat, you should lose unless you are really skilled or lucky.

Hammers should be a one hit kill on body but a harder two hit kill for close proximity to body, Golden guns shouldn't necessarily (for example on other close range supers) be a one hit kill on body.

Why? Because it's a Golden GUN, it's a freaking sniper IMO. I've been sniped so many times byGGunners. I've never been sniped by a SunBreaker. What I'm trying to say is, even supers have their environment. In the video, if you forget the whole one hit kill thing and all that. In my mind, you should lose to a titan in that environment. You are up close to a Titan ultimate when he already had it on and you popped yours after you saw him. If we are talking about close quarters, Titans should win. It should be no different than taking a scout rifle against a AR in close proximity. The AR should always have the advantage.

Again, this is all my idea of how I think supers should work when it comes to different ranges. If we were talking about an open map at medium range, a SunBreaker would be toast against a GGunner.

But that's just because I'm deeply in love with Jennifer Lawrence ;)

Considering she misses the very first shot that she takes, and isn't a particularly great shot in the books... But I like your reasoning, so I'll let it slide. :P

(Also, Hawkeye has a purple color scheme, which fits the Nightstalker).

there are a few other things I like to bring up in dinner parties to make sure people leave me alone.

I love it. I'd talk to you at dinner parties :)

That sounded like fun. ;)

The best advice to surviving a Sunbreaker is to get some air. The hammers can't splash if they don't have anything to splash against. Tracking hammers does mitigate this somewhat of course.

The best advice to surviving a Sunbreaker is to get some air. The hammers can't splash if they don't have anything to splash against. Tracking hammers does mitigate this somewhat of course.

Yeah, it's surprisingly hard to hit someone when they are in the air with the Sunbreaker

Pomegranate = exploding apple

pomme(apple) + grenade

... Yours was better.

(Say "thus" to make everything sound super smart.)

It is officially thus-ted.

The Palpacall.
The Mjölnir of Thol.
The Nighthawker.

Thusly, thine new names shall be called forever.
Let us try out our newly thussed subclass names.

New class raid tonight? ;-)

I would be perfectly okay if GGunners could one shot SunBreakers. But only if they only got one shot. Because then they would become just like FistOfPanic.

See, but that's the issue, the only supers that right now can reliably survive a Golden Gun shot are the two that happen all at once (Fist of Havoc and Nova Bomb) and then for some reason Sunbreakers. They are the ONLY roaming Super that can regularly survive a Golden Gun shot. With the average number of kills being significantly higher than Fist of Havoc or Nova Bomb, does that not indicate an imbalance?

What they need to do is have Hammers have fall off damage at range and have Golden Guns have fall off at closer range. Because I'm still a firm believer that if you engage a SB in close combat, you should lose unless you are really skilled or lucky.

Hammers should be a one hit kill on body but a harder two hit kill for close proximity to body, Golden guns shouldn't necessarily (for example on other close range supers) be a one hit kill on body.

Why? Because it's a Golden GUN, it's a freaking sniper IMO. I've been sniped so many times byGGunners. I've never been sniped by a SunBreaker. What I'm trying to say is, even supers have their environment. In the video, if you forget the whole one hit kill thing and all that. In my mind, you should lose to a titan in that environment. You are up close to a Titan ultimate when he already had it on and you popped yours after you saw him. If we are talking about close quarters, Titans should win. It should be no different than taking a scout rifle against a AR in close proximity. The AR should always have the advantage.

Again, this is all my idea of how I think supers should work when it comes to different ranges. If we were talking about an open map at medium range, a SunBreaker would be toast against a GGunner.

GG is not a sniper. It's range is roughly that of Hawkmoon. You can spec into a longer range, but at the expense of two other, very worthwhile perks. And as long as GG doesn't give you damage resistance, it needs to be a one hit kill on body because otherwise you will die before you have time to fire the second shot. Also, how many supers do you know that are limited to 3 kills max? Only one, and it's golden gun. Anyone who takes 2 shots to die to GG has saved someone else's life and should feel pretty damn good about that. If I jump in front of the nova bomb that's flying at my buddy, I don't get to save his life - we both still die.

Avocado = Testicles

Guacamole = Testicle sauce

I love dinner parties!

No way. I use yours all the time for extra boring talk with the waitress at restaurants. Much more interesting.

"Do you have cherry Coke?"
"No, but we have grenadine I could put in there."
"Did you know that's not cherry flavored?"
"Of course it is!"
"No, it's pomegranate flavor. Hence the name. The name grenade also comes from the fruit."
"Yeah, OK. Whatever. So do you want it or not?"
"Yes, please."

No way. I use yours all the time for extra boring talk with the waitress at restaurants. Much more interesting.

"Do you have cherry Coke?"
"No, but we have grenadine I could put in there."
"Did you know that's not cherry flavored?"
"Of course it is!"
"No, it's pomegranate flavor. Hence the name. The name grenade also comes from the fruit."
"Yeah, OK. Whatever. So do you want it or not?"
"Yes, please."

As a former bartender at a fancy mixology place, I can confirm that pomegranate syrup is a better "cherry flavor" than cherry syrup for this exact reason. People who ask for cherry flavor actually want pomegranate flavor. The only exception is people who want "black cherry" flavor, which actually tastes like cherries.