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Doorwall (Off-Topic)

by Funkmon @, Saturday, October 17, 2015, 05:12 (3165 days ago)

A few people here know I say "doorwall" for what people call a sliding glass door. This is currently a very good indicator of someone from Detroit. It's now extremely specific to the metro Detroit area.

I had no idea until raiding and saying the word that it was not the universal term, and I was promptly made fun of for it. I then tried to enlist Squid and ProbablyLast in my defense, but they also haven't heard of it, which is dumb since they both live stupid close. I visited my cousin and said "hey, did you know that doorwall is a regionalism?" He had never heard of it. My friend Jon was there and had never heard of it. I considered that I had gone crazy.

I hadn't though. Here's something from The Oakland Press a few years back.

BROWNSTOWN TWP. -- A woman baking Christmas cookies Monday evening was shocked by an intruder who broke in and grabbed her purse.

James Slater, the township's director of public safety, said the 65-year-old woman made a frantic 911 call to police at about 6:45 p.m. after a man shattered the doorwall of her condo on South Quail Ridge Drive, off Racho between Pennsylvania and Sibley roads.

I then went on a mission.

I spent hours in a university library trying to find its first appearance in print how I would use it. The earliest I can find is from the mid 1950s in a journal of architecture describing the "sliding glass doors" that don't yet have a name. They mentioned a California company called Steelbilt calls them "doorwalls" and they're still trying to classify them.

Wallside Windows, a major window company in southeastern Michigan also uses the term doorwall. Their local competitors use the term as well, but in such a manner as to suggest it's not a real term for the "sliding glass door." This leads me to believe that Wallside took the doorwall name which was common in the 1950s, and used it for their glass doors.

And here's a Wallside instructional video using the word.

Wallside has such a presence in the local area (I bet everyone knows their commercials around here), I would not be surprised if the term doorwall came from antonomasia with Wallside's marketing term.

I could probably come up with something definitive if the university didn't have a huge gap in searchable archived Detroit Free Press articles, but between the 1920s and the 1990s, there's nothing. My city library also doesn't have it. Hence, between 1958 and 1989, I have no reference of the use of "doorwall" to mean sliding glass door in news or periodicals. Somehow, it jumped from California-only references to Michigan only references in that time.

In fact, by the late eighties, it was definitively part of the Metro Detroit lexicon. I read an article from an Oakland County business magazine that described something "as large as a doorwall." So, by then, we knew it so well that it was a common reference point.

I did look into it a bit more in book searches.

We have 1956 references to doorwalls from Steelbilt, and then it jumps 20 years to 1976 when insulated doorwalls start appearing in, you guessed it, Suburban Detroit's Home Hunter's Guide. Wallside Windows started doing windows in the 1970s. There's a reference to a company in the 60s who made something for mobile homes, but I don't think it's relevant.

I also reached out to architecture professors at my university and Oakland University and Anne Curzan at University of Michigan. Professor Curzan is usually willing to help me in these weird searches of mine, but she just suggested I go and search what I already searched, linked to a few things I already found, and she had no special information for me. I got one response back from an architecture professor saying basically that he had no idea the history of the term. (edit: I did also call Wallside and left a message with some executive I was told would know the history. He did not call me back)

After this long search with few results (though definitely not my longest or most fruitless, an award I have to give to my 'research' into the history of Troia, Italy), I decided to call it off, and pull an explanation out of my ass.

So, I have a hypothesis. Doorwall was a term invented by Steelbilt, which soon went out of business. It was an unpopular, but still used, term through till the 1970s (though I can find no record of this), when Wallside used it for their sliding glass doors. From day one, Wallside advertised heavily on TV (still do, too; I was watching Last Man Standing tonight and saw 3 ads for them), and they probably advertised their doorwalls, introducing them to the Metro Detroit lexicon. Soon, we were using the term as if it had always been there.

Hence, I am not crazy. It IS a real word.

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Doorwall reminds me of Hosepipe

by red robber @, Crawfish Country, Saturday, October 17, 2015, 05:39 (3165 days ago) @ Funkmon

I don't get hosepipe. Most people I've heard use hosepipe for a water hose or garden hose. That's a hose. Hoses are flexible, pipes are rigid. I suppose there could be a material that is semiflexible and made of a more rigid material to fit the idea of the hosepipe.

Doorwall is similar but even more oxymoronic. A door is an opening to pass through verses a wall which is used for blocking off areas. Never heard this term though, and it was an interesting story. I lived in NW Ohio for a while and never heard that term.

Just out of curiosity, do you say creek or "crick" in your area?

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Doorwall reminds me of Hosepipe

by Funkmon @, Saturday, October 17, 2015, 06:02 (3165 days ago) @ red robber

I don't get hosepipe. Most people I've heard use hosepipe for a water hose or garden hose. That's a hose. Hoses are flexible, pipes are rigid. I suppose there could be a material that is semiflexible and made of a more rigid material to fit the idea of the hosepipe.

Doorwall is similar but even more oxymoronic. A door is an opening to pass through verses a wall which is used for blocking off areas. Never heard this term though, and it was an interesting story. I lived in NW Ohio for a while and never heard that term.

Just out of curiosity, do you say creek or "crick" in your area?

Creek is one of those that doesn't seem to be based on region, though it is most common in the inland north. Blue is crick, red is creek.

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For hosepipe, it may be a remnant from when hose meant lots of stuff. It used to be a common word for the sheath over corn, for leggings (which is where the word comes from), and quite a few other things. Pipe USUALLY means something rigid, but it doesn't have to. It's possible hose-pipe was used to distinguish between the varieties of hoses. Currently, we often have to distinguish them with "garden hose," even though most other varieties of hose are now obsolete. Hose-pipe makes some sense there. That said, language doesn't make sense. Sometimes words is just words and don't make no sense. Like door wall.

I'm not surprised you haven't heard the term. It appears to be hyper-local, occurring mostly in the northern Detroit suburbs and the city itself. Whereas other Detroit terms such as Coney Island for a diner extend out 50 to 100 miles easily in all directions, this one appears to barely make it 30, and only in one direction.

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Tl;Dr nobody in real life calls them doorwalls.

by ProbablyLast, Saturday, October 17, 2015, 06:09 (3165 days ago) @ Funkmon

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Doorwall

by ZackDark @, Not behind you. NO! Don't look., Saturday, October 17, 2015, 11:20 (3165 days ago) @ Funkmon

. > "I'm not crazy"
. > Describes in detail how crazy he is

;)

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Wait, so, which boss drops the doorwall?

by Vortech @, A Fourth Wheel, Saturday, October 17, 2015, 15:35 (3165 days ago) @ Funkmon

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Doorwalls are in the revised VoG

by marmot 1333 @, Saturday, October 17, 2015, 17:17 (3165 days ago) @ Vortech

There's a doorwall you have to open to get out of the Gorgon's Maze.

Atheons' time portals have doorwalls in front of them now.

And of course, to even get in the VoG you have to open the front doorwall.

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Well actually they are calling it the Doorwall of Glass now.

by BlackstarBSP, Saturday, October 17, 2015, 18:03 (3165 days ago) @ marmot 1333

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O.o Wow...you're like a dog with a frisbee.

by BlackstarBSP, Saturday, October 17, 2015, 18:01 (3165 days ago) @ Funkmon

So, explain why it's not called a Wall-Door, since obviously there is more Wall than Door and it moves along the path of the wall and not on a hinge like a traditional door.

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O.o Wow...you're like a dog with a frisbee.

by Cody Miller @, Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Saturday, October 17, 2015, 18:06 (3165 days ago) @ BlackstarBSP

So, explain why it's not called a Wall-Door, since obviously there is more Wall than Door and it moves along the path of the wall and not on a hinge like a traditional door.

Because wall door sounds too much like the hotel.

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O.o Wow...you're like a dog with a frisbee.

by BlackstarBSP, Saturday, October 17, 2015, 19:38 (3165 days ago) @ Cody Miller

And Doorwall sounds too much like a medium-sized toothed whale, but that doesn't seem to stop them.

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Wall side windows

by Cody Miller @, Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Saturday, October 17, 2015, 18:02 (3165 days ago) @ Funkmon
edited by Cody Miller, Saturday, October 17, 2015, 18:20

That's right up there with mr Allan's 29 or two for fifty!

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The man with the plan

by Funkmon @, Saturday, October 17, 2015, 19:06 (3165 days ago) @ Cody Miller

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It sounds like an insult to me.

by Ragashingo ⌂, Official DBO Cryptarch, Saturday, October 17, 2015, 20:17 (3165 days ago) @ Funkmon

AKA: He's such a doorwall.

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What would you call a pocket door then?

by Up North 65 @, Saturday, October 17, 2015, 22:52 (3165 days ago) @ Funkmon

Cause a sliding glass door is more like a windall or waldow.

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They're really like man sized windows rotated 90 degrees.

by Funkmon @, Sunday, October 18, 2015, 00:17 (3165 days ago) @ Up North 65

As for pocket doors, I have no word for this.

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Doorwall huh?

by Durandal, Saturday, October 17, 2015, 23:37 (3165 days ago) @ Funkmon

I've lived in detroit for years and never heard this,and I have two.

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I wonder if you just haven't noticed it.

by Funkmon @, Sunday, October 18, 2015, 00:17 (3165 days ago) @ Durandal

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I wonder if you just haven't noticed it.

by Durandal, Monday, October 19, 2015, 09:56 (3163 days ago) @ Funkmon

https://www.reddit.com/r/Detroit/comments/3p6771/what_do_you_call_those_sliding_glass_doors_you/

We should do a Detroit meetup.

I would be up for a Detroit DBO meet, but not for a "doorwall" one. That would just be awkward, and then I would be compelled to bring up all my Minnesota regionalisms, eh :)

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yall could hook some walleye

by Vortech @, A Fourth Wheel, Monday, October 19, 2015, 21:02 (3163 days ago) @ Durandal

I haven't used my Minnesota regionalisms for a thousand years.

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Live 60 miles from Detroit, never heard doorwall.

by SIX min WHISTLE @, Michigan, Sunday, October 18, 2015, 00:42 (3165 days ago) @ Funkmon

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Live 60 miles from Detroit, never heard doorwall.

by Funkmon @, Sunday, October 18, 2015, 01:46 (3165 days ago) @ SIX min WHISTLE
edited by Funkmon, Sunday, October 18, 2015, 01:55

I talked about it in my reply to Red Robber. It appears to be hyper local. Unlike most Detroit terms which can be spread throughout Michigan, Ontario, and Ohio, this one is extremely localized to Detroit and the northern suburbs. I assume you live in the Flint area, so I'm not surprised.

It's also possible you just haven't noticed it.

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