Announced at PlayStation Experience.

PS4 has new exclusives for Sparrow Racing and Iron Banner gear.

Something extremely awesome: Sparrow Racing League, followed by more extremely disappointing news: More PS exclusive armor gear, and quest in addition to exclusive Iron Banner Armor.

According to Bungie's twitter, they will have a ViDoc and trailer up soon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuNTpHDoPHM

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I'm not usually one to complain, and I know it's nothing truly significant, but this is exclusive crap is getting out of control and is really starting to bum me out.

Announced at PlayStation Experience.

This looks fantastic. Obstacles, weapons, powerups, Tusken Raiders... Looks very strategic and fun.

Praise the microtransactions!

PS4 has new exclusives for Sparrow Racing and Iron Banner gear.

Bungie Senpai! Please, it's... It's too much. I've missed out on the new IB gear, this is neat.

This looks great, we'll see what long term presence it has beyond the 3 weeks.

The exclusives don't bother me. Even the quest, after doing that exclusive Red Bull quest I know now it's just going to be filler garbage (just like every quest is), and the exclusives items are what they are; I just got the refer a frend exclusive sword with TheeChaos and I don't see myself using it because if I'm going to sword, I'd be using my exotic for the heavy attack anyway. Heck, there's a bunch of non-exclusive items I'll never get on Xbox just because of RNG anyway.

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Probably expect to continue getting fucked in this regard for the whole 10 years of Destiny, unless PS5 and Xbox Two come along and the popularity shifts again. Xbox is pretty clearly second class because of the smaller userbase. I bet the year hold on content was a compromise rather than holding entire expansions hostage for a month like Call of Duty is doing.

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I bet the year hold on content was a compromise rather than holding entire expansions hostage for a month like Call of Duty is doing.

I would prefer that. Instead, we wait a whole year, only to get things that are useless. Hawkmoon is terrible now, and definitely not the fun weapon that PS4 user's got to play with for a year. 4th Horseman is still good, I guess.

I don't the exclusive IB gear is going to be anything amazing that I'll feel super butthurt about missing out on, but I almost guarantee it'll be not worth having a year from now (If Xbox users even get it at all).

Like I said, I don't really care all that much. It's all small, little things, but it just starting to all add up. It's hard not to be slightly upset about it.

How long will the games industry continue on this path? I feel like maybe the whole pre-order/season pass bullshit is going to come to a head soon with things like Arkham Knight releasing to be completely unplayable, and the DLC being not very impressive. Maybe enough people will learn from stuff like that and stop pre-ordering and buying season passes, but people are stupid, so I doubt it. It's just a fucking bummer to see the industry the way it is. I don't WANT to distrust developers and publishers and think they're all out to fuck me out of my money, but it's getting more and more difficult to not feel cynical about it all.

I just want to buy games and play them and not feel like I'm getting shafted because I didn't buy it on the "right" console. Fuck me, right?

EDIT: That being said, Sparrow Racing League does look absolutely awesome (and I hated the Race gametype in Halo. Rocket Race was fun occasionally). I'm really not as butthurt as that post made it seem, I've just been kinda down on how anti-consumer gaming seems to be sometimes.

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Unless I misunderstood SIX min WHISTLE, he's referring to the Destiny PS userbase versus the Destiny Xbox userbase. I'd like to see numbers.

I don't think it can safely be assumed that the PS4's sales numbers lead to greater numbers of Destiny players. Not only did Bingle carry over players from its Halo days, a huge number, but traditionally, Playstation sells much better in regions where FPS games like Destiny sell poorly.

Furthermore, "pretty clearly second class because of the smaller userbase" would require a significant difference to be pretty clear, maybe 60-40 at the low end. This, to me, is interesting, so I'd like a source to examine further. I did some quick searches of the numbers, and all I can find are numbers stating that Destiny in fact did sell better on Xbox as pre-orders. I can't find any other numbers, and new numbers are needed for me to form an opinion.

While PS4's larger worldwide marketshare is usually sourced well, the same sources say that in markets like North America, where FPS games sell well, the numbers are much closer.

So, in speculative growth of playerbase, I'm not sure it's so clear that the Xbox is a second class ecosystem, and I'm even less sure of its status as one for returning customers for DLC and whatnot.

So, I'd like to look into it and get details. I cannot find the numbers you guys have. I am not doubting anyone, but I am lacking the requisite information.

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I am going to red shell you all day, son.

Yeah, I don't have any Destiny numbers. Maybe there have been some platform stats in the weekly updates that I'm not remembering. Just an educated guess based on console sales and other games that have released numbers. I don't think the numbers are as low as possible because of Halo retention but that only goes so far. PS4 is the FPS box now.

From Polygon. (Thank god they finally ditched their crappy web player for YouTube!)

Looks really fun! Now if I could just get a Hammerbro to ride on the back and destroy my competitors . . .

Major excite.

(Looks like rubber-banding is very strong)

This article is a couple months old now, but still a decent indicator.

http://www.cinemablend.com/m/games/Ubisoft-Games-Selling-Twice-Much-PS4-Compared-Xbox-One-65197.html

Basically, Ubisoft games on PS4 sell roughly double the numbers of those same titles on Xbox One. This is roughly in line with what we've heard about the respective install bases. So we don't know for sure, but it is totally reasonable to assume Destiny on PS4 substantially outsold Destiny on Xbox One.

Not even Hawkmoon.

Guess I'll be back on the 8th.

Everyone I know has an XB1 and maybe a few have a PS4, and the only things we play on them are exclusives and a megaton of Rocket League.

Everyone I know has an XB1 and maybe a few have a PS4, and the only things we play on them are exclusives and a megaton of Rocket League.

it's the opposite for me. Heck, some of the Xbox folks around here are getting PS4s. Many were hoping that the MCC and Halo 5 would be good, but, well...

Anyway, for more recent stats, it turns out that Battlefront's PS4 population is bigger than Xbone's and PC's combined. It's one thing that Xbox's sales were less than 2:1 against PS4, but when you include the massive number of PC gamers, and it's still in favor of the PS4... I can't imagine the Destiny population being an exception.

Everyone I know has an XB1 and maybe a few have a PS4, and the only things we play on them are exclusives and a megaton of Rocket League.

it's the opposite for me. Heck, some of the Xbox folks around here are getting PS4s. Many were hoping that the MCC and Halo 5 would be good, but, well...

Anyway, for more recent stats, it turns out that Battlefront's PS4 population is bigger than Xbone's and PC's combined. It's one thing that Xbox's sales were less than 2:1 against PS4, but when you include the massive number of PC gamers, and it's still in favor of the PS4... I can't imagine the Destiny population being an exception.

I'm looking into getting a PS4 pretty soon, with all the cheap bundles now, and I've owned nothing but Xbox since the first one. Well, I had a Wii for a brief period, but that didn't last long. I've wanted a PS4 since launch, but I had to stick with an Xbox for Halo. Most of my friends decided that wasn't enough for them, though, and switched from a 360 to a PS4 this gen. So your anecdotal evidence matches up pretty closing with mine on that front.

But saying massive numbers of PC gamers is a little disingenuous. The numbers I've seen for Battlefront put PC players at less than half of Xbox One players.

Everyone I know has an XB1 and maybe a few have a PS4, and the only things we play on them are exclusives and a megaton of Rocket League.

it's the opposite for me. Heck, some of the Xbox folks around here are getting PS4s. Many were hoping that the MCC and Halo 5 would be good, but, well...

Anyway, for more recent stats, it turns out that Battlefront's PS4 population is bigger than Xbone's and PC's combined. It's one thing that Xbox's sales were less than 2:1 against PS4, but when you include the massive number of PC gamers, and it's still in favor of the PS4... I can't imagine the Destiny population being an exception.

The second I saw that Bungie had signed a deal with Sony that would make their marketing, to an outside observer, communicate that it was a Playstation exclusive, it was all over. I think Sony's done an awesome job this round getting wins like that. I personally got a PS4 because they went all in on indies and made it known. The funny thing, is aside from Rocket League of course, I play my Vita more than my PS4. If I'm bothering to go sit on the couch and play a game on a 60" screen, I'm leaning towards FPS's, and especially with the Elite controller, I can't imagine preferring one on a PS4. Oh and Halo 5 PvP is a proper return to balanced form for me.

Everyone I know has an XB1 and maybe a few have a PS4, and the only things we play on them are exclusives and a megaton of Rocket League.

it's the opposite for me. Heck, some of the Xbox folks around here are getting PS4s. Many were hoping that the MCC and Halo 5 would be good, but, well...

Anyway, for more recent stats, it turns out that Battlefront's PS4 population is bigger than Xbone's and PC's combined. It's one thing that Xbox's sales were less than 2:1 against PS4, but when you include the massive number of PC gamers, and it's still in favor of the PS4... I can't imagine the Destiny population being an exception.

I'm looking into getting a PS4 pretty soon, with all the cheap bundles now, and I've owned nothing but Xbox since the first one. Well, I had a Wii for a brief period, but that didn't last long. I've wanted a PS4 since launch, but I had to stick with an Xbox for Halo. Most of my friends decided that wasn't enough for them, though, and switched from a 360 to a PS4 this gen. So your anecdotal evidence matches up pretty closing with mine on that front.

Just yesterday, Best Buy had a $300 PS4 bundle that included the Nathan Drake Collection and Destiny: Legendary Edition. Holiday deals are looking pretty sweet.

The one outlier for anecdotal evidence is my brother, who loves the PS4, but wants an Xbox One because of backwards compatibility (namely Reach) and the MCC, even though he despises Halo 4 (and what he's seen of 5), and has little interest in any other Xbox exclusives. He's weird...

But saying massive numbers of PC gamers is a little disingenuous. The numbers I've seen for Battlefront put PC players at less than half of Xbox One players.

Yeah, I should have clarified. I meant in the sense that despite PC having such a massive playerbase, which tends to help a lot in terms of game numbers (if even 10% of PC players played Battlefront, that would be an insanely high number of players compared to 10% of Xbox's population, or PS4's. And PC gamers love their shooters... But yeah, I wasn't trying to say that Battlefront's PC playerbase was what was massive... But less than half of the Xbone's? Sheesh... People must reeeeally hate Origin. :P

Still, it's a significant statistic that likely carries over to other franchises.

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How is this not a thing?

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