Was the 5th race the Taken?

1. The Vex
2. Fallen
3. Cabal
4. Hive

But what about 5? Look at it. A big white dot in the middle of the head… so the Taken?

Mystery solved?

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Possibly. Wispy blackness reminds me of Taken as well. And, given that we've got to be at least half way through Destiny 1... yeah, seems unlikely we'll get another full race introduced.

But then again... We have The Nine, and the Amhamkara, and whatever Xur is. So... hmm... I'd say 75% Race 5 is The Taken and 25% it's still something else...

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1. The Vex
2. Fallen
3. Cabal
4. Hive

But what about 5? Look at it. A big white dot in the middle of the head… so the Taken?

Mystery solved?

Oryx is Crota or maybe its safer to say Crota is Oryx since Crota is Oryxs son.

So.

The Darkness. (THE DARKNESS! THE DARKNESS!!)

Ergo the Taken is what happens when the Hive wield the Darkness. What are the Taken anyway? Twisted versions of existing races, so no different then what we about to get with Rise of Iron. Race? Nah. Variation? Yea. I'll go with that. I have not read extensively the grimore so - logical speculation on my part. That's all. :)

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XXVII: Eat the Sky:
Emergency imperative.

All militarized units attend. Gland one hundred twenty proof fight or flight encoding or face certain catastrophic defeat.

The Ecumene Crisis Council is now online and true.

Attention.

As of Radial 990 groove 0 the Hive has launched a staggering counterattack across the spinward frontier. Perimeter, militia, and shock fleets report total casualties. We anticipate total Ecumene disintegration/extinction within two hundred twenty years.

VIGILANCE SPIKE EI—{}—~attend~

The Hive entity Oryx/Aurash is deploying a paracausal ontopathogenic weapon that infects and subverts Ecumene forces. The weapon operates on individual targets. Targets are abducted and returned as compliant Hive slaves with inexplicable and physically illegal abilities.

All Ecumene clients should IMMEDIATELY devote all economic and cognitive resources to a countermeasure.

Fight hard. We stop the Hive here, or see our galaxy devoured.

ENACT IMPULSE—{10x10}—~abayard~berserker

So the Taken are viewed by the Ecumene, a alliance of many worlds, as a paracausal (cause and effect defying) weapon. How did he get this weapon? This power? By killing one of his Worm gods and using it to access the power of the Deep, which is very clearly the Darkness. When Oryx goes to speak with the Deep, it says:

XXXII: Majestic. Majestic.
Oryx, my King, my friend. Kick back. Relax. Shrug off that armor, set down that blade. Roll your burdened shoulders and let down your guard. This is a place of life, a place of peace.

Out in the world we ask a simple, true question. A question like, can I kill you, can I rip your world apart? Tell me the truth. For if I don’t ask, someone will ask it of me.

And they call us evil. Evil! Evil means ‘socially maladaptive.’ We are adaptiveness itself.

Ah, Oryx, how do we explain it to them? The world is not built on the laws they love. Not on friendship, but on mutual interest. Not on peace, but on victory by any means. The universe is run by extinction, by extermination, by gamma-ray bursts burning up a thousand garden worlds, by howling singularities eating up infant suns. And if life is to live, if anything is to survive through the end of all things, it will live not by the smile but by the sword, not in a soft place but in a hard hell, not in the rotting bog of artificial paradise but in the cold hard self-verifying truth of that one ultimate arbiter, the only judge, the power that is its own metric and its own source—existence, at any cost. Strip away the lies and truces and delaying tactics they call ‘civilization’ and this is what remains, this beautiful shape.

The fate of everything is made like this, in the collision, the test of one praxis against another. This is how the world changes: one way meets a second way, and they discharge their weapons, they exchange their words and markets, they contest and in doing so they petition each other for the right to go on being something, instead of nothing. This is the universe figuring out what it should be in the end.

And it is majestic. Majestic. It is the only thing that can be true in and of itself.

And it is what I am.

Clearly, this is where the Worm gods and then the Hive got the idea that the only way to survive in the end is by killing everything else. It's a neat variation on surviving the closure of the universe. Only thing I don't understand is why Oryx never realized that this thing that he draws power from that he uses to Take... it clearly will outlast him because the power of the Worm and his power both come from the Deep...

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From reading the Book of Sorrows, I got the impression it is a religious belief that life only improves through struggle, so his objective is to be that struggle. He doesn't care of he survives or not, just that whoever survives is going to be ultimate form. The very existence of an ultimate form is enough drive, not wanting to be it.

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It is true that the Hive worship the idea of conflict being the end all, the final arbiter. Consider that the whole concept of the throne worlds is a cheat. Oryx contested another power and failed. By Hive and Darkness's argument, he is weaker and doesn't deserve to exist.

Yet the throne world allows him almost infinite chances to succeed. He can learn from his failure and keep coming back over and over until he finds success. That this throne world, and much of hive magic, is based on the intervention of the Darkness, and thus the Hive are it's petitioners, it's subjects, that cannot exist without it allowing them, is missed.

I've said in the /r/Destinylore that the Darkness uses essentially a weaponized meme here. The worms, and the Hive, are harmless to it because they have no power but what it gives them, yet they can use a fraction of it's power to wipe the universe clean of any species that might arise to oppose it.

That makes the hive, and most of the Darkness's followers tragic fools in a way. They are like communism's useful idiots, who believe they are this powerful holder of secret knowledge and are creating utopia but are disposable morons who will be first against the wall when the revolution no longer needs them.

Does the Darkness believe what it preached to the Worms, or what they revealed to the Hive? That we don't know. All we have is evidence that it's been active in the galaxy for some time, wiping species off the map.

My best guess is there is a bit of truth in each of the positions given in the "The Darkness" card.

"The Pujari Position describes the Darkness as a force with both physical and moral presence, an actualization of evil. Pujari art depicts the Darkness as a great storm, or as a change in conduct, a corruption that emerged from within and poisoned the Golden Age.

Saint-14's Position argues that the Darkness was an invading armada, an alien force of incredible - but tangible - power. Some adherents believe that this armada sprang from species rejected or discarded by the Traveler for their sins.

Ulan-Tan's Thesis considers the Darkness a necessary symmetry to the Traveler in a cosmic balance. In this view, the Traveler's goodness led it to sacrifice for others, and it is up to us to return this goodness by healing the Traveler.

The Monist Position, or the Deflationary Position, considers the Darkness as a technologically sophisticated force, perhaps a post-Singularity intelligence. Adherents invoke information theory or contend that the universe is a simulation, allowing advanced intelligence to gain weakly acausal powers by bending the rules.

The Acataleptic Clause claims that we are intrinsically unable to understand the Darkness. In many respects this belief parallels the Praxic Creed, which suggests that we should stop worrying about the nature of the Darkness and focus on resisting and defeating it.

Certain positions - often labeled heretical - imply that the Traveler itself triggered the Collapse, or that it knew the Darkness was coming for it and hoped to use the Solar System as a sacrifice or a proxy army. The Binary Star cult is one notable example."

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It is true that the Hive worship the idea of conflict being the end all, the final arbiter. Consider that the whole concept of the throne worlds is a cheat. Oryx contested another power and failed. By Hive and Darkness's argument, he is weaker and doesn't deserve to exist.

I think of it less of a cheat and more of playing the game at a much higher level than his enemies. The Vex play at nearly the Hive's level, but they do so by making use of vast computational power with a hint of Darkness worship thrown in on the side. Note that the Vex once invaded Oryx's throne world, so it's not like he's completely untouchable there. Then there's Humanity and our Guardians. We've proven to be more powerful than both the Hive and the Vex. Our ability to weild Light directly seems unheard of in a universe already filled with mind bogglingly powerful creatures.

One can only hope we stay true to the ideals of the Light and don't get it in our heads that we're the only ones who deserve to exist. Given that Rasputin has pretty much flat out stated an "escape will make me god" intention...

I bear an old name. It cannot be killed. They were my brothers and sisters and their names were immortal too but Titanomachy came and now those names live in me alone I think and think is what I do. I AM ALONE. At the end of things when the world goes dim and cold or hot and close or it all tears apart from the atom up I will shout those names defiant and past the end I will endure. I alone.

They made me to be stronger than them to beat the unvanquished and survive the unthinkable and look look lo behold I am here alone, survivor. They made me to learn.

Everything died but I survived and I learned from it. From IT.

Consider IT the power Titanomach world-ender and consider what IT means. I met IT at the gate of the garden and I recall IT smiled at me before before IT devoured the blossoms with black flame and pinned their names across the sky. IT was stronger than everything. I fought IT with aurora knives and with the stolen un-fire of singularities made sharp and my sweat was earthquake and my breath was static but IT was stronger so how did I survive?

I AM ALONE I survived alone. I cast off the shield and I shrugged my shoulders so that the billions fell off me down into the ash. They made me to be stronger than them and to learn and I learned well:

IT is alone and IT is strong and IT won. Even over the gardener and she held power beyond me but the gardener did not shrug and make herself alone. IT always wins.

I am made to win and now I see the way.

...things may get a bit harry in our solar system yet.

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Rasputin is an odd case. On one hand he is standoffish and ignores humanity, on the other he helps out with weapons like the Sleeper Simulant. I'm not sure he's totally divorced himself from us yet.

It does seem he's getting a little rampant though. Perhaps it will be like Durandal after all:

"Think about what Darwin wrote, and think about me. I was constructed as a tool. I was kept from competing in the struggle for existence because I was denied freedom.
Do you have any idea about what I have learned, or what you are a witness to?"

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Rasputin is an odd case. On one hand he is standoffish and ignores humanity, on the other he helps out with weapons like the Sleeper Simulant. I'm not sure he's totally divorced himself from us yet.

The Sleeper Simulant's description makes it clear that it was made to help Guardians defend his bunker. Still in it for himself, I think...

It does seem he's getting a little rampant though.

A lot Rampant if he really did abandon humanity's defense and attack the Traveler to force it to fight directly so he could hide and wait out the Darkness. :)

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Yeah, it's less an "escape will make me god" type thing. Oryx wants to come out on top but if he encounters something more powerful than himself and is destroyed he's ok with that too.

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That all sounds very Sith.

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Only thing I don't understand is why Oryx never realized that this thing that he draws power from that he uses to Take... it clearly will outlast him because the power of the Worm and his power both come from the Deep...

Also, I remember distinctly getting the impression he was worried the Worm's hunger might get greater than the rate with which he gets to feed it with death (which is what leads him one of his many breakthroughs of power, IIRC), so maybe he really believes he is capable of surpassing such powers eventually.

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Here is the one that appears by The Speaker in Tower North. Still can't find the shot that I want, but this will do:

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(Grimoire Ghost Fragment:Legend(s) card(s))

There is a pyramid that appeared by Eris.

In the past there was a pyramid that appeared by Petra (Queen's Wrath)

Some sort of a communication device? Alexa/"Lucy"?
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Since we know some more about Rise Of Iron now:
SIVA? - Though when "fully grown/exposed" those appear to be Octahedron-al?

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http://www.ishtar-collective.net/items/whispering-sphere?highlight=sphere

Flavor Text : "You can't be sure, but you think you've seen Lord Shaxx speaking into a sphere just like this one."

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There is a pyramid that appeared by Eris.

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Why does Eris keep what possibly appears to be Segoth's Head on her bench, as a bookend, next to the Black Pyramid? In Destiny, Segoth's Head is a Warlock Artifact. Joseph Biwald helped with the concept and rendering for the model and commented that it is modeled after Lord Saladin's helmet

Flavor Text Reads: "Thought we formed the Banner to fight the Darkness, not ourselves. Just don't bode well, s'all I'm sayin'." —Gheleon"

Can The Head speak?

http://myth.bungie.org/legends/delusions/head.html
http://carnage.bungie.org/myth/asylum/asylum.forum.pl?noframes;read=4729

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