Very well said. (Destiny)
Don't disagree. I do think it's arguable on which side the problem is, the secrecy or the reactionary culture.
What is wrong with secrecy? As long as the game comes out fine, it doesn't matter does it? But I don't think Destiny came out fine.
Nothing from my perspective in this context. I like when people or organizations underpromise and overdeliver.
I think the "problem" with secrecy (more scare quotes here), is when gamers/customers feel like they are being misled. Case in point: No Man's Sky. I enjoyed the game, but there is no question that the promotion of the game and communication from the developers prior to release was horribly handled. Again, when so little is known about the development of a game, every little glimmer of info we do get is taken as gospel. Personally, I am absolutely aware that development is a flaming train wreck right up until launch, and anything and everything can change. But I do also think it is fair to say "That's fine... if you talk about a feature, and then things change and the feature gets cut, we understand. Just TELL US". Otherwise, it comes across as lying just to trick people into buying a product.No Man's Sky is a particularly bold example. I don't think Bungie has made any mistakes on that level. But there have been bumps in the road over the past couple years with regards to communication with the community. I think Bungie realizes this, and they seem to be making real efforts to improve. It is a very challenging task; figuring out which information needs to be provided, and what needs to stay secret.
I agree that it's a tough balancing act. Gaming has become so competitive and high-stakes that any kind of walkback can be spun as a betrayal and that spin can take over the narrative (and cost mucho delores). It's one thing when it's just us chickens and Matt talking about character designs in BLAM! in the weekly update. It's another when Forbes is writing articles based on fan's post on NeoGAF.
Complete thread:
- Reputation Boosters for Silver -
someotherguy,
2016-09-14, 21:29
- I have an idea. -
CyberKN,
2016-09-14, 21:41
- I have an idea. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-14, 21:58
- Uh... -
Beorn,
2016-09-14, 22:37
- Uh... -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-14, 22:39
- Uh... - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-09-14, 22:55
- Shhhhh... You're destroying the narrative... - Korny, 2016-09-14, 22:40
- Uh... -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-14, 22:39
- Uh... -
Beorn,
2016-09-14, 22:37
- I have an idea. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-14, 21:58
- Reputation Boosters for Silver -
Mad_Stylus,
2016-09-14, 21:47
- Sans RNG, maybe -
someotherguy,
2016-09-14, 21:55
- Sans RNG, maybe - Ragashingo, 2016-09-14, 22:02
- Reputation Boosters for Silver - Cody Miller, 2016-09-14, 22:03
- Reputation Boosters for Silver -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-14, 22:32
- Reputation Boosters for Silver - Cody Miller, 2016-09-14, 22:38
- Sans RNG, maybe -
someotherguy,
2016-09-14, 21:55
- Silver Dust? -
INSANEdrive,
2016-09-14, 23:06
- Silver Dust? - Xenos, 2016-09-14, 23:22
- Silver Dust? -
CyberKN,
2016-09-14, 23:23
- Silver Dust? - Cody Miller, 2016-09-14, 23:34
- I'm not sure I would consider this pay to win -
Avateur,
2016-09-14, 23:19
- I'm not sure I would consider this pay to win -
Harmanimus,
2016-09-15, 01:03
- +1 - unoudid, 2016-09-15, 01:13
- I'm not sure I would consider this pay to win -
Harmanimus,
2016-09-15, 01:03
- This isn't good. - ProbablyLast, 2016-09-15, 09:54
- :( -
breitzen,
2016-09-15, 10:33
- :( - cheapLEY, 2016-09-15, 12:20
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat -
Xenos,
2016-09-15, 13:34
- +1 - Kermit, 2016-09-15, 13:47
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-15, 14:51
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat -
Xenos,
2016-09-15, 14:55
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-15, 15:01
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat -
Xenos,
2016-09-15, 15:03
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-15, 15:07
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat -
Xenos,
2016-09-15, 15:11
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-15, 15:14
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat -
Xenos,
2016-09-15, 15:20
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-15, 15:37
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat - SonofMacPhisto, 2016-09-15, 17:01
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-15, 15:37
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-15, 15:22
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-15, 15:30
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat -
breitzen,
2016-09-15, 15:34
- LOL - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-09-15, 15:34
- Inching closer to the line -
Robot Chickens,
2016-09-15, 15:47
- Inching closer to the line -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-15, 15:53
- +1 - breitzen, 2016-09-15, 15:54
- Preach! ;) - slycrel, 2016-09-15, 16:07
- Inching closer to the line -
Robot Chickens,
2016-09-15, 16:07
- Inching closer to the line -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-15, 16:13
- Inching closer to the line - Robot Chickens, 2016-09-15, 16:25
- Inching closer to the line -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-15, 16:13
- Inching closer to the line -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-15, 15:53
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-15, 15:55
- Don't forget Halloween boxes -
someotherguy,
2016-09-15, 15:58
- Don't forget Halloween boxes - unoudid, 2016-09-15, 16:31
- Don't forget SRL Rec. Book and Sparrow/horn pkgs - Schedonnardus, 2016-09-15, 16:39
- Don't forget Halloween boxes - Kermit, 2016-09-19, 13:01
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-15, 16:06
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-15, 16:29
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-15, 16:42
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-15, 17:19
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-09-15, 17:46
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-15, 17:19
- If it's the best gun in the game, you bet - someotherguy, 2016-09-15, 19:33
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-15, 16:42
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-15, 16:29
- Don't forget Halloween boxes -
someotherguy,
2016-09-15, 15:58
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-15, 16:41
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-09-15, 16:44
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat -
breitzen,
2016-09-15, 15:34
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat - Cody Miller, 2016-09-15, 17:05
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-15, 15:30
- "Concern for the Future" isn't nearly as catchy a song title - Robot Chickens, 2016-09-15, 15:29
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat -
Xenos,
2016-09-15, 15:20
- If that's the case... -
breitzen,
2016-09-15, 15:19
- If that's the case... -
Xenos,
2016-09-15, 15:23
- If that's the case... - Xenos, 2016-09-15, 15:26
- If that's the case... -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-15, 15:35
- If that's the case... - breitzen, 2016-09-15, 15:39
- If that's the case... -
Xenos,
2016-09-15, 15:23
- 10%? Try 90! -
someotherguy,
2016-09-15, 15:48
- 10%? Try 90! - Cody Miller, 2016-09-15, 17:07
- It literally doubles base rep gain in strike playlists. - ProbablyLast, 2016-09-15, 17:56
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-15, 15:14
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat -
Xenos,
2016-09-15, 15:11
- Who cares about pay to win? -
cheapLEY,
2016-09-15, 17:44
- Who cares about pay to win? -
Xenos,
2016-09-15, 17:51
- Trap Card: Slippery Slope Fallacy Fallacy! -
someotherguy,
2016-09-15, 21:34
- NOOOO! I've been banished to the shadow realm! -
Xenos,
2016-09-15, 21:34
- <3 - someotherguy, 2016-09-15, 21:37
- NOOOO! I've been banished to the shadow realm! -
Xenos,
2016-09-15, 21:34
- Trap Card: Slippery Slope Fallacy Fallacy! -
someotherguy,
2016-09-15, 21:34
- Who cares about pay to win? -
Xenos,
2016-09-15, 17:51
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-15, 15:07
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat -
Xenos,
2016-09-15, 15:03
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat - Schedonnardus, 2016-09-15, 16:48
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-15, 15:01
- This IGN article comforted me somewhat -
Xenos,
2016-09-15, 14:55
- Hadn't seen that. - breitzen, 2016-09-15, 14:58
- Doesn't comfort me in the least. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-15, 14:58
- Quote that perfectly sums it up. -
breitzen,
2016-09-15, 15:06
- Yep. - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-09-15, 15:07
- Quote that perfectly sums it up. - Cody Miller, 2016-09-15, 16:33
- Regarding Activision - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-09-15, 17:11
- Quote that perfectly sums it up. -
squidnh3,
2016-09-15, 20:19
- Quote that perfectly sums it up. -
cheapLEY,
2016-09-15, 20:59
- Quote that perfectly sums it up. -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-15, 21:08
- Quote that perfectly sums it up. -
cheapLEY,
2016-09-16, 00:58
- Quote that perfectly sums it up. -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-16, 02:00
- Quote that perfectly sums it up. - SonofMacPhisto, 2016-09-16, 12:51
- Quote that perfectly sums it up. -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-16, 02:00
- Quote that perfectly sums it up. -
cheapLEY,
2016-09-16, 00:58
- +1 - ProbablyLast, 2016-09-15, 22:12
- Quote that perfectly sums it up. -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-15, 21:08
- Quote that perfectly sums it up. - Cody Miller, 2016-09-15, 21:44
- Quote that perfectly sums it up. -
cheapLEY,
2016-09-15, 20:59
- Quote that perfectly sums it up. -
Kermit,
2016-09-16, 14:01
- Very well said. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-16, 14:42
- Very well said. -
Kermit,
2016-09-16, 15:24
- Very well said. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2016-09-16, 15:40
- Very well said. -
Kermit,
2016-09-16, 16:08
- Very well said. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2016-09-16, 17:15
- Very well said. -
Avateur,
2016-09-16, 17:16
- Inclement Weather - Pyromancy, 2016-09-16, 17:37
- Very well said. -
Avateur,
2016-09-16, 17:16
- Very well said. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2016-09-16, 17:15
- Very well said. -
Kermit,
2016-09-16, 16:08
- Very well said. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-16, 15:43
- Very well said. -
Kermit,
2016-09-16, 15:56
- Very well said. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-16, 16:12
- Very well said. - Kermit, 2016-09-16, 16:33
- Very well said. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-16, 16:12
- Very well said. -
Kermit,
2016-09-16, 15:56
- Very well said. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2016-09-16, 15:40
- Very well said. -
Kermit,
2016-09-16, 15:24
- Quote that perfectly sums it up. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-16, 15:07
- Quote that perfectly sums it up. - Kermit, 2016-09-16, 15:20
- You should stop, right now -
Pyromancy,
2016-09-16, 15:25
- ??? - Cody Miller, 2016-09-16, 15:38
- Very well said. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-16, 14:42
- Doesn't comfort me in the least. -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-15, 16:14
- Doesn't comfort me in the least. - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-09-15, 16:16
- Doesn't comfort me in the least. - Schedonnardus, 2016-09-15, 16:42
- Doesn't comfort me in the least. -
Avateur,
2016-09-16, 00:32
- Doesn't comfort me in the least. - Cody Miller, 2016-09-16, 02:13
- Quote that perfectly sums it up. -
breitzen,
2016-09-15, 15:06
- #Avateurwasright -
Avateur,
2016-09-16, 00:07
- #Avateurwasright -
SonofMacPhisto,
2016-09-16, 12:53
- #Avateurwasright -
Avateur,
2016-09-16, 17:18
- #Avateurwasright -
SonofMacPhisto,
2016-09-16, 19:19
- #Avateurwasright - Avateur, 2016-09-16, 20:45
- #Avateurwasright -
SonofMacPhisto,
2016-09-16, 19:19
- #Avateurwasright -
Avateur,
2016-09-16, 17:18
- #Avateurwasright -
SonofMacPhisto,
2016-09-16, 12:53
- I have an idea. -
CyberKN,
2016-09-14, 21:41