Shoulder charge is back? (Destiny)

by Harmanimus , Thursday, August 09, 2018, 11:48 (2375 days ago) @ Ragashingo

Because I think there should be several synergistic builds you can aim for that demonstrate a mastery of load out and skill. By starting with a long TTK and allowing players who understand the game the best to lower it significantly by both their gear and actions you create a more nuanced and adaptive game.

I would live if that were the case in practice, but that hasn’t shown in general to function in practice with Destiny’s Sandbox. Destiny 2 has a general lack of synergizing. And not knowing your definition of nuanced and adaptive I would hesitate to comment on it. Because I feel that the changes shown are going to make for more nuance and adaption.

If you just set all TTK's to almost 0 you don't do that. It starts to almost not even matter what gun or armor you are using when every melee battle ends before the enemy can react. When every gun battle ends before the enemy can even aim down the sights what does gun selection even matter?

Setting a small subset of high risk/high reward options, or alternatively low sustainability burst damage, to have a near 0 TTK is different than setting everything to that. And the reason you pick your gun should be a combination of ease of use and range considerations. If all guns have a slow TTK it starts to not even matter to the same tune, no? If a shoulder charge ends before they can react then I have successfully used my toolset to get an advantage. Choosing to engage in melee range is also a player choice which may be a mistake they make.

. . . Under the new rules, the Titan I shoulder charged might have very well traded kills with me . . .

Except that the Titan you shoulder charged, given the context, would have instead done no damage to you. And you would have had full health going into the further engagement. That Titan would have also needed to should charge you at the same time, and I don’t know of any case examples of how that plays out.

It's that kind of thing I'm very much afraid of. That the game is going to move much more towards dying instantly over and over again to someone with a shotgun rather than more protracted battles where things like skill, map knowledge, and load out actually matters.

In the better examples of low TTK games though Skill (i.e., twitch skill), Map Knowledge (from layout, to travel times, to flank routes and popular weapon use per area), and gear selection (spec., playing to the strengths of your gear) matter substantially more than people tend to give them credit. And I would also include maneuvering, map usage, and other non-twitch skills to also being important.

I enjoy games where I can have a sustained 1v1 or what have you where a combination of health and weapon management wins out, I play Quake Champions when I want to get sweaty. But i also like games that reward my skillset focused on out playing around the engagement and not just when bullets fly. (Yes, QC has that too, but differently focused)