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Maybe he wouldn't have to beat on the same points if Bungie would FIX the problems that they've created through poor experience management.

I think you can forgive a poster for getting frustrated with the constant mounting problems that are found every day, every patch, every update with this game. Just because there's some frustration in the post, it doesn't negate the validity of his concerns, or even the require you to be so callous in your disregard for it.

Maybe, if Bungie had put out a finished product, instead of a 60% finished project and tweaked on the fly, none of us would be complaining about their screw ups, and instead, lauding the game for its cool factor and tricks and getting outside of maps and flying sparrows upside down and stuff like that. This 'PC version' mentality that a lot of companies seems to be adopting lately (looking at you, Titanfall) where they put out the absolute minimum of a product, then patch the hell out of it, just isn't going to fly with console gamers for very long.

If Cody wants to complain about it, GOOD. I agree with him. Deej reads posts...so if we don't make our points known, it's never going to change. Better to vent about it here, in an organized, respectful setting, than the shitstorm of death that is the Bungie.net venue.

That's nice. But he already had this revelation. Nothing has changed. Cody still takes a horribly condescending tone. The game still has anti-AFK kicking. The most loss coins anyone will get is 1 as Destiny certainly won't let them get 5 AFK games in. No Bungie game since Halo 2 would have. If you want you defend Cody as some sort of insightful voice informing Bungie what is wrong you should pick another issue... This one was used up and noted and read by DeeJ months ago...

On top of that, why do we blame the game when the fault is with the players! Even if you accept that the game tempts or encourages players to do these things, and I don't since I play a game to have fun, it's still bad players doing them! Encourage Bungie to add in harsher AFK and quitting penalties, but blame the ones actually responsible.

Maybe he wouldn't have to beat on the same points if Bungie would FIX the problems that they've created through poor experience management.

I think they are fixing problems.

I think you can forgive a poster for getting frustrated with the constant mounting problems that are found every day, every patch, every update with this game. Just because there's some frustration in the post, it doesn't negate the validity of his concerns, or even the require you to be so callous in your disregard for it.

Again, I don't see mounting problems. I see problems being fixed. Cody congratulating himself for his wisdom does wear thin, and does reduce the effectiveness of communication--that and the fact that he's communicated a variation of the same point repeatedly for years. I don't how long you've been reading the forum, but many of us have come to expect these posts like clockwork.

Maybe, if Bungie had put out a finished product, instead of a 60% finished project and tweaked on the fly, none of us would be complaining about their screw ups, and instead, lauding the game for its cool factor and tricks and getting outside of maps and flying sparrows upside down and stuff like that. This 'PC version' mentality that a lot of companies seems to be adopting lately (looking at you, Titanfall) where they put out the absolute minimum of a product, then patch the hell out of it, just isn't going to fly with console gamers for very long.

C'mon. Do you really believe Destiny is the absolute minimum of a product? Give me a break.

If Cody wants to complain about it, GOOD. I agree with him. Deej reads posts...so if we don't make our points known, it's never going to change. Better to vent about it here, in an organized, respectful setting, than the shitstorm of death that is the Bungie.net venue.

I sure Deej has read his posts 50 times already. We get to complain about Cody, too, if we want to.

Maybe he wouldn't have to beat on the same points if Bungie would FIX the problems that they've created through poor experience management.

I think you can forgive a poster for getting frustrated with the constant mounting problems that are found every day, every patch, every update with this game. Just because there's some frustration in the post, it doesn't negate the validity of his concerns, or even the require you to be so callous in your disregard for it.

Maybe, if Bungie had put out a finished product, instead of a 60% finished project and tweaked on the fly, none of us would be complaining about their screw ups, and instead, lauding the game for its cool factor and tricks and getting outside of maps and flying sparrows upside down and stuff like that. This 'PC version' mentality that a lot of companies seems to be adopting lately (looking at you, Titanfall) where they put out the absolute minimum of a product, then patch the hell out of it, just isn't going to fly with console gamers for very long.

We seem have to have very different experiences with Destiny as I've never had "constant, mounting problems" with it, every day, as you seem to suggest you have. I also don't view the game as unfinished, but that's not to say it's perfect.

I'm not against criticism. But I don't enjoy pretentious rants. And I don't enjoy reading them from the same poster every day, on and off for years about every game Bungie makes. If this was his first post like this, I wouldn't have said anything.

If Cody wants to complain about it, GOOD. I agree with him. Deej reads posts...so if we don't make our points known, it's never going to change. Better to vent about it here, in an organized, respectful setting, than the shitstorm of death that is the Bungie.net venue.

And if I want to ignore Cody's rude posts, I can do that too, especially when he breaches that "respectful setting".

This post wasn't directed at everyone who complains about Destiny. This wasn't a "callous disregard" for someone who has had a bad day and goes on a little rant. This was directed at Cody because I've seen this style of post from him, hundreds of times for every game Bungie makes.

My Cody block isn't anything new - our debates and his condescending remarks goes back four or five years at this point, and he's one of the main reasons I often avoid the forums for big chunks of time.

Sorry about that, I thought you were running nightfall last night and not the iron banner or I would have jumped into your game. My bad!

My guess is it was more based on deaths without activity than just on time of inactivity and I might have been kicked sooner if the enemy hadn't looked straight at me and kept running but I'm not going to go back and test that for fear of having the automated systems mark me as a bad player. :)

After playing with me so much, I'm sure they've already done that.

(Also, it sounds like freezing and pretending your AFK when you see an enemy a good defensive strategy, hah!)

You saved my derriere a couple of times last night, so I wouldn't sell yourself too short there Mr. Gil.

No AFKs for me on PS4 last night in about 8 games. We did dominate one game to the point where four of the enemy team quit, but in all of our other games everything was down to the wire (that's not true - we got our asses handed to us in one game, but I'm blaming lag for that... There's no way my attack 300 Shadow Price can't kill a 27 with his back to me).

I had this happen in a few games. I was averaging around a 1.25 K/D for most of the Iron Banner I played last night except for a few games that were lag fests. on those I went .5 or less as a level 30 with a 300 Suros. I WAS PISSED.