The Crucible changes are just too much. (Destiny)
it sucks to be in the middle of a firefight, switch to your secondary to finish them, then see that it's empty. You then switch back to your primary that still needs to reload, and it's just awkward. Same thing with seeing a blade dancer come at you. You switch to your shotgun, but oops, it's empty. Because not only do they hold less ammo, but ammo crates take far too long to spawn.
*Shrug*
Ammo management is part of the game. Always has been. Now it's a bit more part of it. Don't like managing your ammo? Get comfortable with a high capacity primary and Invective or Icebreaker. That's what I'm doing and it's working fine so far...
Also, the Heavy ammo situation. If you wait for your teammates to show up for the Heavy, then you all get a rocket headed your way because of the one guy on the other team who didn't wait, so now you are inclined not to wait... Which wouldn't be so bad if the Heavy didn't despawn on Death, but now you have to make sure to grab it or lose it altogether. I used to save Heavy ammo for Blade Dancers, but now it's not a good proposition. All I've seen in crucible today are rocket launchers in response to disappearing ammo and the quick Charlie Foxtrots that occur in the 15 seconds after a Heavy drop. And thanks to the longer timer and map icon, getting Heavy ammo is ironically not as easy or as guaranteed, because an enemy with a Super has plenty of time to make a bolt for your team, and since your team is huddled by the heavy, he's pretty uncontested all the way there. And because of the bigger focus on Rockets, Machine Guns are out of the question; you simply can't risk holding on to Heavy ammo anymore.
The only thing different is you can't wait out the initial Heavy kerfufflel so easily. Some around here are acting like Heavy Machine Guns were not a risk vs Rocket Launchers before and now they are. No. The risk is basically the same as always. Case in point: Very often when I play with DBO groups we cluster around the heavy ammo and pick it up as soon as everyone close and interested is in range. Sure, that's more enforced now that the boxes will despawn but again I don't see it changing much of our play strategy.
I would like heavy ammo to be dropped on death again though.
Crucible's become this awkward clockwork where you are worrying more about timers than the encounters.
Disagree.
I saw an ammo crate and was like "thank the Nine", but then I saw that the timer on it was still at 45 seconds. That's almost a full minute without secondary ammo, unless I run to the next crate hoping that my teammates didn't grab it while I was respawning. I can get behind decreasing shotgun spam, but it feels like someone came up with a list of different ways to counter it, and someone said "perfect, implement them all!"
I've gotten spammed with a lot of shotguns lately, or maybe it just feels that way, so I'm for the all of the above approach at least on an idealistic level. Just started playing so maybe I'll notice some big issue and come back to this with a reconsidered opinion. We'll see...
Complete thread:
- Update 1.1.2 : The one with Vault space and Raid fixes. -
CougRon,
2015-04-14, 15:16
- RIP Purple Ball! -
Ragashingo,
2015-04-14, 15:17
- The new ball is born! All hail the new ball! -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 15:18
- Hail! -
Beorn,
2015-04-14, 15:20
- The first grainy video hath appeared! Tremble! -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 17:03
- Gah! -
Beorn,
2015-04-14, 17:25
- Gah! -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-04-14, 17:27
- Parallaxed? -
Beorn,
2015-04-14, 17:31
- Parallaxed? -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 17:33
- Parallaxed? - Beorn, 2015-04-14, 17:38
- Parallaxed? - Funkmon, 2015-04-14, 18:27
- Parallaxed? -
Veegie,
2015-04-14, 19:49
- TIL balls are complicated. -
Funkmon,
2015-04-14, 19:53
- just ones that technical artists make :) -
Veegie,
2015-04-14, 19:53
- just ones that technical artists make :) - Malagate, 2015-04-14, 20:10
- just ones that technical artists make :) -
Veegie,
2015-04-14, 19:53
- You da man - Beorn, 2015-04-15, 00:13
- TIL balls are complicated. -
Funkmon,
2015-04-14, 19:53
- Parallaxed? -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 17:33
- Parallaxed? -
Beorn,
2015-04-14, 17:31
- Gah! -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-04-14, 17:27
- Gah! -
Beorn,
2015-04-14, 17:25
- The first grainy video hath appeared! Tremble! -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 17:03
- +1 - CougRon, 2015-04-14, 15:22
- As much I like content, I like the little things too. - INSANEdrive, 2015-04-14, 15:28
- Hail! -
Beorn,
2015-04-14, 15:20
- The new ball is born! All hail the new ball! -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 15:18
- Crucible is indeed going full primaries. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 15:27
- Torn Life! -
unoudid,
2015-04-14, 19:50
- Might be the end for my PI :( -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 19:58
- They did decrease the frequency of the killer bug, though -
ZackDark,
2015-04-14, 20:08
- They did decrease the frequency of the killer bug, though -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 20:09
- They did decrease the frequency of the killer bug, though - ZackDark, 2015-04-14, 20:12
- They did decrease the frequency of the killer bug, though -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 20:09
- They did decrease the frequency of the killer bug, though -
ZackDark,
2015-04-14, 20:08
- Might be the end for my PI :( -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 19:58
- Torn Life! -
unoudid,
2015-04-14, 19:50
- Update 1.1.2 : The one with Vault space and Raid fixes. -
INSANEdrive,
2015-04-14, 15:36
- Is Golden Gun range on fix list? -
DreadPirateWes,
2015-04-14, 15:40
- No mention :/ -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 15:44
- No Mythoclast fix either. -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-14, 17:28
- Someone on reddit says the Mythoclast was ninja fixed. - iconicbanana, 2015-04-14, 20:37
- No Mythoclast fix either. -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-14, 17:28
- Is Golden Gun range on fix list? - DreadPirateWes, 2015-04-14, 18:14
- No mention :/ -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 15:44
- Is Golden Gun range on fix list? -
DreadPirateWes,
2015-04-14, 15:40
- Not mentioned: it is 4.3 GB. -
Funkmon,
2015-04-14, 15:48
- Not mentioned: it is 4.3 GB. -
ProbablyLast,
2015-04-14, 16:02
- Timing may be challenging. -
CougRon,
2015-04-14, 16:12
- new maps included? -
CougRon,
2015-04-14, 16:24
- Reddit's already got a dedicated datamining thread -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 16:26
- Yay, Phobos! -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-14, 16:54
- And Mercury as a selectable location...with social space? -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 17:18
- And Mercury as a selectable location...with social space? - Malagate, 2015-04-14, 18:46
- And Mercury as a selectable location...with social space? -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 17:18
- LOL - stabbim, 2015-04-14, 22:47
- Yay, Phobos! -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-14, 16:54
- Reddit's already got a dedicated datamining thread -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 16:26
- new maps included? -
CougRon,
2015-04-14, 16:24
- Maybe not. I may have to put off late raid. - Funkmon, 2015-04-14, 16:46
- 6.065 Gigs here (PS4) -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-14, 16:59
- Must be the PS4 standby\resume stuff. -
Revenant1988,
2015-04-14, 17:00
- and the updates to the Dust Palace strike - Speedracer513, 2015-04-14, 17:55
- 4.3 GB + Exclusive content = 6.065 GB -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-04-14, 17:02
- 4.3 GB + Exclusive content = 6.065 GB - TheeChaos, 2015-04-14, 18:32
- What's Master Chief Collection up to now? -
petetheduck,
2015-04-14, 18:49
- It's broken the Bekenstein limit. - iconicbanana, 2015-04-14, 18:52
- 61.6 GB - red robber, 2015-04-14, 19:01
- Must be the PS4 standby\resume stuff. -
Revenant1988,
2015-04-14, 17:00
- Timing may be challenging. -
CougRon,
2015-04-14, 16:12
- Interesting - only 1.92GB on Xbox 360 -
Claude Errera,
2015-04-14, 17:42
- 'dem next generation textures - CougRon, 2015-04-14, 17:43
- That's obnoxious. -
Funkmon,
2015-04-14, 18:31
- That's obnoxious. - iconicbanana, 2015-04-14, 18:32
- Uh, you can, with some hassle, upgrade it - ZackDark, 2015-04-14, 18:38
- That's obnoxious. - General Vagueness, 2015-04-14, 19:01
- That's obnoxious. - red robber, 2015-04-14, 19:04
- Yep, needed more room. IMG - Funkmon, 2015-04-14, 19:10
- That's obnoxious. -
DreadPirateWes,
2015-04-14, 19:49
- That's obnoxious. - iconicbanana, 2015-04-14, 19:52
- That's obnoxious. - Vortech, 2015-04-15, 00:10
- It'll Take a Crowbar - Up North 65, 2015-04-17, 03:03
- Not mentioned: it is 4.3 GB. -
ProbablyLast,
2015-04-14, 16:02
- Update 1.1.2 : The one with Vault space and Raid fixes. - TDSpiral, 2015-04-14, 16:19
- White Nail perk no longer triggers on immune targets -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-14, 16:48
- White Nail perk no longer triggers on immune targets -
CyberKN,
2015-04-14, 16:50
- White Nail perk no longer triggers on immune targets -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-04-14, 16:56
- White Nail perk no longer triggers on immune targets -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-14, 16:58
- White Nail perk no longer triggers on immune targets - MacAddictXIV, 2015-04-14, 17:00
- White Nail perk no longer triggers on immune targets -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-14, 16:58
- White Nail perk no longer triggers on immune targets -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-04-14, 16:56
- White Nail perk no longer triggers on immune targets - Vortech, 2015-04-15, 00:12
- White Nail perk no longer triggers on immune targets -
CyberKN,
2015-04-14, 16:50
- Quest loot pyramid baubles - petetheduck, 2015-04-14, 16:56
- Fixed bug where Major Thralls had two jaws & two left hands -
dogcow,
2015-04-14, 17:10
- I shall call him Lefty... -
Durandal,
2015-04-14, 17:13
- I shall call him Lefty... -
Beorn,
2015-04-14, 17:28
- Not true... -
ZackDark,
2015-04-14, 18:39
- Unfortnately for you... -
Beorn,
2015-04-14, 18:51
- I call tampering - ZackDark, 2015-04-14, 18:56
- Unfortnately for you... -
Beorn,
2015-04-14, 18:51
- Not true... -
ZackDark,
2015-04-14, 18:39
- I shall call him Lefty... -
Beorn,
2015-04-14, 17:28
- I shall call him Lefty... -
Durandal,
2015-04-14, 17:13
- Exotic Ship -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-14, 17:31
- Exotic Ship -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 17:35
- Exotic Ship - Cody Miller, 2015-04-14, 17:36
- Boomer. Want. -
dogcow,
2015-04-14, 17:38
- Boomer. Want. -
dogcow,
2015-04-14, 17:39
- Boomer. Want. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 17:41
- Boomer. Want. -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-14, 17:42
- Boomer. Want. - iconicbanana, 2015-04-14, 17:43
- No. -
Malagate,
2015-04-14, 18:52
- No. -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-14, 19:05
- No. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 19:07
- We've done this before. - Kermit, 2015-04-14, 19:27
- No. - Malagate, 2015-04-14, 19:41
- No. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 19:07
- No. - Cody Miller, 2015-04-14, 19:06
- And usable network code. -
Funkmon,
2015-04-14, 19:15
- So it isn't just me. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 19:17
- It only works in a LAN for me. - Funkmon, 2015-04-14, 19:25
- So it isn't just me. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 19:17
- No. -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-14, 19:05
- Why does it have to be late night? -
Kermit,
2015-04-14, 19:28
- Why does it have to be late night? -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 19:31
- This is a far superior time. - Funkmon, 2015-04-14, 19:44
- Why does it have to be late night? -
Kermit,
2015-04-14, 20:00
- An even superiorer time. -
Funkmon,
2015-04-14, 21:31
- 8-10EST messes with my meal bag. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 22:16
- that's cool. - Kermit, 2015-04-14, 22:28
- 8-10EST messes with my meal bag. - stabbim, 2015-04-14, 22:56
- 8-10EST messes with my meal bag. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 22:16
- Why does it have to be late night? -
Vortech,
2015-04-15, 00:21
- Why does it have to be late night? - Kermit, 2015-04-15, 00:52
- An even superiorer time. -
Funkmon,
2015-04-14, 21:31
- Why does it have to be late night? -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 19:31
- Boomer. Want. -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-14, 17:42
- Boomer. Want. - Vortech, 2015-04-15, 00:17
- Boomer. Want. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 17:41
- Boomer. Want. -
dogcow,
2015-04-14, 17:39
- Exotic Ship -
Beorn,
2015-04-14, 17:35
- Exotic Ship -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-14, 17:38
- *Psst* - Braccae tuae hiant. -
INSANEdrive,
2015-04-14, 18:56
- I guess I should semper ubi sub ubi -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-14, 19:08
- Scoobi Doobi Noob Tubi? - red robber, 2015-04-14, 19:11
- Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati -
CyberKN,
2015-04-14, 19:14
- Expecto Patronum! -
DiscipleN2k,
2015-04-14, 19:19
- I peaksae atinlae ootae! - Funkmon, 2015-04-14, 19:31
- Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati - stabbim, 2015-04-14, 22:59
- Expecto Patronum! -
DiscipleN2k,
2015-04-14, 19:19
- I never read Harry Potter... - MacAddictXIV, 2015-04-14, 19:21
- I guess I should semper ubi sub ubi -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-14, 19:08
- *Psst* - Braccae tuae hiant. -
INSANEdrive,
2015-04-14, 18:56
- Exotic Ship -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-14, 17:38
- "Romanes eunt domus" all the way - ZackDark, 2015-04-14, 18:41
- Exotic Ship -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 17:35
- The Crucible changes are just too much. -
Korny,
2015-04-14, 19:43
- The Crucible changes are just too much. - Malagate, 2015-04-14, 20:02
- The Crucible changes are just too much. -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-14, 20:10
- The Crucible changes are just too much. - iconicbanana, 2015-04-14, 20:15
- The Crucible changes are just too much. -
Malagate,
2015-04-14, 20:15
- The Crucible changes are just too much. -
bluerunner,
2015-04-14, 20:20
- The Crucible changes are just too much. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 20:23
- The Crucible changes are just too much. -
Kahzgul,
2015-04-14, 22:35
- Claude's gonna have a field day... -
Korny,
2015-04-14, 22:50
- I think they realize it. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 22:54
- I think they realize it. -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-14, 22:56
- Point Cody - unoudid, 2015-04-14, 23:06
- We probably didn't get a HoW raid because of playtesting. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 23:12
- We probably didn't get a HoW raid because of playtesting. -
Vortech,
2015-04-15, 00:33
- We probably didn't get a HoW raid because of playtesting. - iconicbanana, 2015-04-15, 00:39
- We probably didn't get a HoW raid because of playtesting. -
Vortech,
2015-04-15, 00:33
- I think they realize it. -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-14, 22:56
- Good thing you're not hyperbolizing or anything. -
Claude Errera,
2015-04-14, 23:02
- Good thing you're not hyperbolizing or anything. -
Korny,
2015-04-15, 00:08
- Good thing you're not hyperbolizing or anything. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-15, 00:13
- Good thing you're not hyperbolizing or anything. -
Ragashingo,
2015-04-15, 00:14
- Good thing you're not hyperbolizing or anything. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-15, 00:18
- Good thing you're not hyperbolizing or anything. - Ragashingo, 2015-04-15, 00:26
- Good thing you're not hyperbolizing or anything. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-15, 00:18
- Good thing you're not hyperbolizing or anything. -
Ragashingo,
2015-04-15, 00:14
- Good thing you're not hyperbolizing or anything. - Avateur, 2015-04-15, 02:09
- Good thing you're not hyperbolizing or anything. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-15, 00:13
- Good thing you're not hyperbolizing or anything. -
Korny,
2015-04-15, 00:08
- I think they realize it. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 22:54
- Claude's gonna have a field day... -
Korny,
2015-04-14, 22:50
- The Crucible changes are just too much. -
Kahzgul,
2015-04-14, 22:35
- The Crucible changes are just too much. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 20:23
- The Crucible changes are just too much. -
bluerunner,
2015-04-14, 20:20
- The Crucible changes are just too much. -
Kermit,
2015-04-14, 21:00
- The Crucible changes are just too much. - iconicbanana, 2015-04-14, 21:03
- The Crucible changes are just too much. -
Claude Errera,
2015-04-14, 21:04
- Relevant -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 21:10
- Jeebus. -
Claude Errera,
2015-04-14, 23:46
- It's OK. now he'd be out of special ammo. - Vortech, 2015-04-15, 00:37
- Jeebus. -
Claude Errera,
2015-04-14, 23:46
- The Crucible changes are just too much. - Kermit, 2015-04-14, 21:19
- Relevant -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 21:10
- The Crucible changes are just too much. - Ragashingo, 2015-04-14, 23:48
- I kindly disagree. I like the changes. -
BeardFade,
2015-04-15, 17:29
- I kindly disagree. I like the changes. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-15, 17:34
- I kindly disagree. I like the changes. - BeardFade, 2015-04-15, 18:01
- I kindly disagree. I like the changes. -
BeardFade,
2015-04-15, 18:00
- Ooooo, so close! -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-15, 18:06
- Ooooo, so close! - BeardFade, 2015-04-15, 18:09
- Ooooo, so close! -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-15, 18:06
- I kindly disagree. I like the changes. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-15, 17:34
- I now have an extra 25 Grimoire score. -
Funkmon,
2015-04-14, 20:14
- Same! just hit 2825 :) -
unoudid,
2015-04-14, 20:35
- Yes, you definitely do. - Funkmon, 2015-04-14, 21:40
- 2850 - Cody Miller, 2015-04-14, 21:59
- Yup. -
Claude Errera,
2015-04-14, 20:43
- It may have something to due with Siege, Crota, and Mercury - Funkmon, 2015-04-14, 21:40
- Same! just hit 2825 :) -
unoudid,
2015-04-14, 20:35
- Has anyone checked this out yet? -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-14, 20:30
- The game is now complete. -
Kermit,
2015-04-14, 21:05
- ...and we'll even be on The Reef soon! -
Ragashingo,
2015-04-14, 21:39
- I miss those contests... - ZackDark, 2015-04-14, 22:05
- Has someone been reading Phil Farmer? - scarab, 2015-04-17, 03:46
- ...and we'll even be on The Reef soon! -
Ragashingo,
2015-04-14, 21:39
- I did not expect this at all. - Funkmon, 2015-04-14, 21:54
- time to go to the dance floor tonight... - CougRon, 2015-04-14, 22:55
- The game is now complete. -
Kermit,
2015-04-14, 21:05
- Update 1.1.2 : The one with Vault space and Raid fixes. -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-14, 20:34
- Update 1.1.2 : The one with Vault space and Raid fixes. - General Vagueness, 2015-04-14, 23:45
- Update 1.1.2 : The one with Vault space and Raid fixes. - Morpheus, 2015-04-14, 21:01
- Who else... -
bluerunner,
2015-04-15, 00:06
- Who else... -
Korny,
2015-04-15, 01:37
- Who else... - bluerunner, 2015-04-15, 01:47
- Who else... - Avateur, 2015-04-15, 02:17
- Who else... - Xenos, 2015-04-15, 03:28
- Who else... -
Korny,
2015-04-15, 01:37
- Played a few hours of Crucible with Breitzen - Xenos, 2015-04-15, 02:26
- Living colour -
Stuntmutt,
2015-04-15, 08:51
- This explains so much about your comics - ZackDark, 2015-04-15, 09:21
- Living colour - General Vagueness, 2015-04-15, 16:10
- Living colour -
Xenos,
2015-04-15, 16:31
- That's pretty damn cool - ZackDark, 2015-04-15, 19:24
- Living colour -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-15, 16:35
- Living colour - bluerunner, 2015-04-15, 17:03
- Wish Granted - sort of. -
INSANEdrive,
2015-04-15, 16:49
- Wish Granted - sort of. -
Stuntmutt,
2015-04-15, 18:29
- If you do... - Claude Errera, 2015-04-15, 18:47
- Wow. That's a dramatic example. -
CyberKN,
2015-04-15, 18:58
- Great Scott! - iconicbanana, 2015-04-15, 19:00
- And suddenly it all makes sense. ;) - dogcow, 2015-04-15, 19:07
- Wow. That's a dramatic example. -
Stuntmutt,
2015-04-15, 19:21
- Wow. That's a dramatic example. - Claude Errera, 2015-04-15, 19:24
- Wow. That's a dramatic example. - bluerunner, 2015-04-15, 19:31
- Wish Granted - sort of. -
Stuntmutt,
2015-04-15, 18:29
- One thing they apparently fixed - Xenos, 2015-04-17, 03:15
- RIP Purple Ball! -
Ragashingo,
2015-04-14, 15:17