Super weapons break the game (Destiny)
And once you've set a bar, there's no going backwards. An epic gun cannot be rolled back or taken back; it can be nerfed but that causes issues of its own. So how can you keep upping the stakes to keep people playing? It makes me wonder if Cody isn't right about RNG loot: bad in principle.
Exactly. I don't see how hard this is to understand. If you design your game with specific guns that are acquired in specific ways, then all the challenges can actually be designed knowing what players will have access to. With RNG loot, challenges can't require a wide variety of gun types or things like that because you might not have it yet. But when the gear acquisition itself is well integrated into your game, then you can balance out all the guns with each other, and with each activity.
This is even demonstrated in the PvE end game activities: they are becoming more and more difficult and bullet spongy. PoE is way worse than Crota's end with bullet sponge enemies, and people complained a lot about them back in TDB! The key is not to make the end game stuff difficult, but to make it challenging. That means having a wide variety of unique unusual scenarios, and giving players access to a variety of different tools by which to solve those scenarios. It doesn't mean making bosses with 2 million hit points.
Complete thread:
- House of Wolves: Wot I think -
Cody Miller,
2015-05-31, 11:17
- You lost me at "Bungie used my ideas" -
Kermit,
2015-05-31, 11:45
- Probably didn't mean it to sound narcissistic and assholey. -
Funkmon,
2015-05-31, 11:58
- Probably didn't mean it to sound narcissistic and assholey. -
Kermit,
2015-05-31, 12:25
- Good point. - Funkmon, 2015-05-31, 13:43
- Probably didn't mean it to sound narcissistic and assholey. -
Kermit,
2015-05-31, 12:25
- Yup, I stopped reading - Beorn, 2015-05-31, 14:51
- He lost me at: Cody - Miguel Chavez, 2015-05-31, 16:09
- Probably didn't mean it to sound narcissistic and assholey. -
Funkmon,
2015-05-31, 11:58
- Super weapons break the game -
yakaman,
2015-05-31, 13:41
- Super weapons break the game -
Kermit,
2015-05-31, 14:21
- No room for a weak link is right. I hate that feeling. -
Funkmon,
2015-05-31, 18:59
- You're not so weak. - Kermit, 2015-05-31, 19:16
- As a "strong" link I hate it too. -
someotherguy,
2015-05-31, 21:35
- As a "strong" link I hate it too. - Kermit, 2015-05-31, 21:55
- Super weapons break the game -
yakaman,
2015-05-31, 19:31
- Super weapons break the game - Cody Miller, 2015-06-01, 15:43
- No room for a weak link is right. I hate that feeling. -
Funkmon,
2015-05-31, 18:59
- Super weapons break the game -
Monochron,
2015-05-31, 14:24
- Super weapons break the game -
yakaman,
2015-05-31, 19:37
- Super weapons break the game - Korny, 2015-05-31, 22:19
- Super weapons break the game -
yakaman,
2015-05-31, 19:37
- Super weapons break the game -
Kermit,
2015-05-31, 14:21
- I agree completely, - ProbablyLast, 2015-05-31, 13:52
- House of Wolves: Wot I think -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-31, 15:37
- House of Wolves: Wot I think - stabbim, 2015-05-31, 16:04
- House of Wolves: Wot I think -
Cody Miller,
2015-05-31, 16:42
- House of Wolves: Wot I think -
Avateur,
2015-05-31, 19:54
- Cause you're a troll. -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-31, 20:29
- Cause you're a troll. -
Avateur,
2015-05-31, 20:36
- Cause you're a troll. -
Kermit,
2015-05-31, 20:56
- Cause you're a troll. -
Avateur,
2015-05-31, 21:04
- Cause you're a troll. -
Kermit,
2015-05-31, 21:23
- Cause you're a troll. -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-31, 22:43
- Cause you're a troll. - Kermit, 2015-06-01, 00:01
- Cause you're a troll. -
Vortech,
2015-06-01, 19:07
- Cause you're a troll. - Kermit, 2015-06-02, 15:58
- Cause you're a troll. -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-31, 22:43
- Cause you're a troll. -
Kermit,
2015-05-31, 21:23
- Cause you're a troll. -
petetheduck,
2015-05-31, 21:09
- Cause you're a troll. -
Kermit,
2015-05-31, 21:26
- Cause you're a troll. -
petetheduck,
2015-05-31, 21:45
- Glad I didn't read it. -
Kermit,
2015-05-31, 22:12
- Glad I didn't read it. - petetheduck, 2015-05-31, 23:01
- Glad I didn't read it. -
Kermit,
2015-05-31, 22:12
- Cause you're a troll. -
petetheduck,
2015-05-31, 21:45
- Cause you're a troll. -
Kermit,
2015-05-31, 21:26
- Cause you're a troll. -
Avateur,
2015-05-31, 21:04
- Cause you're a troll. -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-31, 21:44
- Cause you're a troll. - Avateur, 2015-05-31, 22:06
- Jesus Christ guise.... -
Monochron,
2015-05-31, 23:29
- Bunch of trolls in this thread... -
Korny,
2015-05-31, 23:34
- I don't even know what to believe anymore. - iconicbanana, 2015-05-31, 23:49
- Bunch of trolls in this thread... - Avateur, 2015-05-31, 23:52
- Bunch of trolls in this thread... -
Korny,
2015-05-31, 23:34
- Cause you're a troll. -
Kermit,
2015-05-31, 20:56
- Cause you're a troll. -
Avateur,
2015-05-31, 20:36
- Cause you're a troll. -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-31, 20:29
- Do or die? -
narcogen,
2015-05-31, 23:35
- Do or die? -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-01, 00:48
- Do or die? -
Ragashingo,
2015-06-01, 01:25
- Do or die? -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-01, 01:43
- Do or die? - Ragashingo, 2015-06-01, 02:12
- Do or die? -
Avateur,
2015-06-01, 02:16
- Do or die? - Ragashingo, 2015-06-01, 02:32
- Do or die? -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-01, 01:43
- Do or die? -
Ragashingo,
2015-06-01, 01:25
- Do or die? -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-01, 00:48
- House of Wolves: Wot I think -
Avateur,
2015-05-31, 19:54
- House of Wolves: Wot I think - stabbim, 2015-05-31, 16:23
- tl;dr: Cody thinks HoW is good. Thinks 2/3 of it is success. -
Korny,
2015-05-31, 18:16
- tl;dr: Cody thinks HoW is good. Thinks 2/3 of it is success. -
Cody Miller,
2015-05-31, 18:28
- tl;dr: Cody thinks HoW is good. Thinks 2/3 of it is success. -
Korny,
2015-05-31, 20:46
- tl;dr: Cody thinks HoW is good. Thinks 2/3 of it is success. - Cody Miller, 2015-05-31, 22:12
- tl;dr: Cody thinks HoW is good. Thinks 2/3 of it is success. -
Korny,
2015-05-31, 20:46
- The Queen's weapons are actually pretty good -
someotherguy,
2015-05-31, 22:39
- The Queen's weapons are actually pretty good -
Revenant1988,
2015-06-01, 00:26
- And they'll still die with one shot from *any* gun -
someotherguy,
2015-06-01, 00:28
- And they'll still die with one shot from *any* gun -
Revenant1988,
2015-06-01, 00:35
- And they'll still die with one shot from *any* gun - CyberKN, 2015-06-01, 01:00
- And they'll still die with one shot from *any* gun -
Revenant1988,
2015-06-01, 00:35
- And they'll still die with one shot from *any* gun -
someotherguy,
2015-06-01, 00:28
- The Queen's weapons are actually pretty good -
Revenant1988,
2015-06-01, 00:26
- tl;dr: Cody thinks HoW is good. Thinks 2/3 of it is success. -
Cody Miller,
2015-05-31, 18:28
- House of Wolves: Wot I think - narcogen, 2015-05-31, 23:56
- You lost me at "Bungie used my ideas" -
Kermit,
2015-05-31, 11:45