
The cost of Destiny (Destiny)
I really wish this idea of $/hr for entertainment would go away. First of all, it just assumes that all hours spent have the same entertainment value. Clearly they don't. Destiny in particular has a lot of 'empty' hours, where you are repeating stuff, grinding exp, trying to get a Hawkmoon, etc.
Second of all, money sometimes even can't quantify an experience. If you could have the absolutely most amazing time of your life, but it cost $100/hr, would you not do that because it's not a good 'value'? No. You have to weigh the intensity and overall satisfaction of the fun.
This is exactly the line of thinking that drew JRPGs to be longer and longer, but not making them any better. And it's also the same line of thought that drives Destiny's experience, as evidenced by everything Bungie and Activision are saying (not to mention them using the three hour per day average metric).
When we make movies, we make them as short as possible. If you can get everything you want to get across in a 3 minute scene, as opposed to a 5 minute one, you go with 3 minutes. If something goes on too long without actually providing benefit, people get bored and their minds wander. You want them in that movie every second. Have you ever hear anybody complain a movie was too short? Say that Guardians of the Galaxy only gave them two hours of entertainment, when Titanic gave them three? No! In fact, most complaints about films are that they are TOO LONG.
So why aren't games made like that? Why aren't they the absolute most concentrated experience that can be provided, with all the fluff and bullshit removed, and just leave the fun? They should be, and they largely used to be.
Complete thread:
- The cost of Destiny -
Oholiab,
2015-06-25, 19:09
- I am learning today that things are expensive elsewhere. -
Funkmon,
2015-06-25, 19:13
- video store? There hasn't been a Blockbuster here in eons
- CougRon, 2015-06-25, 19:16
- You still have video stores near you?? -
Oholiab,
2015-06-25, 19:17
- Walking distance. Don't you?! -
Funkmon,
2015-06-25, 19:23
- You can walk to stores?!
- bluerunner, 2015-06-25, 19:30
- I refuse to believe you can't walk to stores.
- Funkmon, 2015-06-25, 19:34
- I refuse to believe you can't walk to stores.
- Walking distance. Don't you?! -
Oholiab,
2015-06-25, 21:40
- Nope. Michigan. The city on the center right is Pontiac.
- Funkmon, 2015-06-25, 22:08
- Walking distance. Don't you?! - electricpirate, 2015-06-25, 22:56
- Nope. Michigan. The city on the center right is Pontiac.
- You can walk to stores?!
- Walking distance. Don't you?! -
Funkmon,
2015-06-25, 19:23
- video store? There hasn't been a Blockbuster here in eons
- The cost of Destiny - unoudid, 2015-06-25, 19:25
- The cost of Destiny - Kahzgul, 2015-06-25, 19:28
- The fundamental unresolved tension in the design of destiny -
electricpirate,
2015-06-25, 19:44
- The fundamental unresolved tension in the design of destiny -
Kahzgul,
2015-06-25, 19:55
- The fundamental unresolved tension in the design of destiny -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-25, 20:10
- The fundamental unresolved tension in the design of destiny -
Kahzgul,
2015-06-25, 20:28
- The fundamental unresolved tension in the design of destiny -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-25, 20:29
- The fundamental unresolved tension in the design of destiny - Kahzgul, 2015-06-25, 20:45
- The fundamental unresolved tension in the design of destiny -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-25, 20:29
- The fundamental unresolved tension in the design of destiny - electricpirate, 2015-06-26, 02:40
- The fundamental unresolved tension in the design of destiny -
Kahzgul,
2015-06-25, 20:28
- PoE 32/34 are not randomly generated -
DreadPirateWes,
2015-06-25, 20:54
- PoE 32/34 are not randomly generated - Kahzgul, 2015-06-25, 21:04
- The fundamental unresolved tension in the design of destiny -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-25, 20:10
- The fundamental unresolved tension in the design of destiny - Xenos, 2015-06-25, 20:08
- The fundamental unresolved tension in the design of destiny -
Kahzgul,
2015-06-25, 19:55
- This is not a valid comparison -
ChrisTheeCrappy,
2015-06-25, 19:52
- This is not a valid comparison -
Claude Errera,
2015-06-25, 20:55
- This is not a valid comparison -
Kahzgul,
2015-06-25, 21:05
- Completely agree with you! Huzzah!
- Kermit, 2015-06-25, 22:04
- Woot! My work here is done.
- Kahzgul, 2015-06-25, 22:16
- Woot! My work here is done.
- Completely agree with you! Huzzah!
- This is not a valid comparison - ChrisTheeCrappy, 2015-06-26, 14:07
- This is not a valid comparison -
Kahzgul,
2015-06-25, 21:05
- This is not a valid comparison -
Oholiab,
2015-06-25, 21:33
- This is not a valid comparison - ChrisTheeCrappy, 2015-06-26, 14:09
- Baseketball is great. -
ProbablyLast,
2015-06-25, 22:14
- Best investment in my life -
ChrisTheeCrappy,
2015-06-26, 14:08
- Best investment in my life -
squidnh3,
2015-06-26, 16:32
- Steeeeeeve Perry. -
iconicbanana,
2015-06-26, 16:34
- I hear your mom's dating squeak!
- ChrisTheeCrappy, 2015-06-26, 17:41
- I hear your mom's dating squeak!
- Steeeeeeve Perry. -
iconicbanana,
2015-06-26, 16:34
- Best investment in my life -
squidnh3,
2015-06-26, 16:32
- Best investment in my life -
ChrisTheeCrappy,
2015-06-26, 14:08
- This is not a valid comparison -
Claude Errera,
2015-06-25, 20:55
- The cost of Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-25, 20:03
- The cost of Destiny - Kahzgul, 2015-06-25, 20:09
- I complain films are too short all the time. -
Funkmon,
2015-06-25, 20:48
- I complain films are too short all the time. -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-25, 21:15
- Whiplash was 1:47 which is 107 minutes. EDIT cause duh.
- Kahzgul, 2015-06-25, 21:32
- Whiplash was 147 minutes long :P -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-25, 21:53
- Whiplash was 147 minutes long :P - Kahzgul, 2015-06-25, 22:03
- Whiplash was 147 minutes long :P -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-25, 21:53
- I complain films are too short all the time. - Claude Errera, 2015-06-25, 22:07
- I complain films are too short all the time. - Funkmon, 2015-06-25, 22:11
- Whiplash was 1:47 which is 107 minutes. EDIT cause duh.
- I complain films are too short all the time. -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-25, 21:15
- The cost of Destiny - Ragashingo, 2015-06-25, 20:48
- the corrolary forgame designers is simplicity
- electricpirate, 2015-06-25, 22:58
- The cost of Destiny -
narcogen,
2015-06-25, 23:04
- i think he means hookers.
- Kahzgul, 2015-06-25, 23:05
- That's what I thought.
- narcogen, 2015-06-25, 23:09
- Or a very high quantity of drugs!
- cheapLEY, 2015-06-25, 23:16
- Or a very high quantity of drugs! -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-25, 23:31
- I liked how he didn't deny any of the options :)
- ZackDark, 2015-06-26, 00:02
- yeah. More like a hookerthetical example
- Vortech, 2015-06-26, 00:25
- yeah. More like a hookerthetical example
- Or a very high quantity of drugs! -
cheapLEY,
2015-06-26, 00:03
- No, you would be dead.
- MacAddictXIV, 2015-06-26, 14:32
- No, you would be dead.
- I liked how he didn't deny any of the options :)
- Or a very high quantity of drugs! -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-25, 23:31
- Or a very high quantity of drugs!
- That's what I thought.
- :-0
- yakaman, 2015-06-26, 11:16
- i think he means hookers.
- The cost of Destiny - Harmanimus, 2015-06-26, 00:39
- I am learning today that things are expensive elsewhere. -
Funkmon,
2015-06-25, 19:13