Heroic playlist sounds exciting and giving 3 weekly bonuses per account, as opposed to a single weekly bonus per character sounds like a step in the right direction.

Remind me who first suggested that? Oh wait, I'll bet you can guess :-)

Heroic playlist sounds exciting and giving 3 weekly bonuses per account, as opposed to a single weekly bonus per character sounds like a step in the right direction.

Is that what they're doing? I read it as "1 weekly bonus per account".

No more kick to orbit in Nightfall.... that totally changes how it will play.

That... makes it like any other strike.

So there's no XP buff, there's no Nightfall in it anymore, since that's what the kick to orbit meant, and now it requires 40, so I'm going to have to rank up six more levels before I can do it?

Also, the Weekly gave me a chance to look at modifiers and the specific strike so I could decide whether or not I wanted to do it this week. Now it's just another playlist (like the other strike playlists I stopped playing months ago) and since I won't know what I'm getting, I'm not sure what the point is. When they added matchmaking I stopped playing Weeklies without a full fireteam. Now I guess I won't be playing them at all, since there's actually no strike to play-- just another list.

Yes, but I think the new playlist will be fun. It may entice us to do it when bored for variety. We'll see how it goes.

I think the curse of having mostly liked the game as it was when it came out means I'm going to be liking it less as they cave to everyone complaining about how obviously bad the game they keep playing is.

YUUUUUP.

I think the curse of having mostly liked the game as it was when it came out means I'm going to be liking it less as they cave to everyone complaining about how obviously bad the game they keep playing is.

I've known you had bad taste for over a decade now Narcogen :-p

I think the curse of having mostly liked the game as it was when it came out means I'm going to be liking it less as they cave to everyone complaining about how obviously bad the game they keep playing is.

I thought most of the mechanics of the Launch endgame were pretty great. It was a long but rewarding effort to get to max level. This new "you have to be max level before you can do the endgame" just doesn't feel as rewarding. The rewards seem to be more gear and weapons, but there is something special about that level number. Being a 30 around a bunch of 29s felt a lot better than having some extra armor or weapon does.

That... makes it like any other strike.

Uh, except for the modifiers.

So there's no XP buff

Yes there is, you just don't have to do the nightfall to get it. That's a good thing. Much as I do enjoy nightfalls right now, what I don't enjoy is feeling like I have to do them in order to progress XP and rep and such at the rate I'm used to. The last couple of months, I've been too busy to play much, and when I do get on briefly I feel like the effort I'm putting into leveling my gear isn't getting me anywhere, because I wasn't able to be on at the right time to run nightfalls with people.

there's no Nightfall in it anymore, since that's what the kick to orbit meant

I will admit, that part seems odd. Although I guess newcomers will just see that's the name of the highest tier strike, and not think much of it.

and now it requires 40, so I'm going to have to rank up six more levels before I can do it?

Yes, but... did you think you'd just be able to jump in to an endgame activity as a 34? Also, consider this: getting to 40 now will only require leveling up via XP, as opposed to the previous method of getting to max level, which was playing RNG roulette until special armor dropped (etheric light softened that a bit, but you still had to obtain a specific item: the etheric light itself). I'd wager that getting to 40 in TTK is going to be more straightforward than getting to 34 in HoW, and definitely more so than in vanilla Destiny or TDB.

Also, the Weekly gave me a chance to look at modifiers and the specific strike so I could decide whether or not I wanted to do it this week. Now it's just another playlist (like the other strike playlists I stopped playing months ago) and since I won't know what I'm getting, I'm not sure what the point is. When they added matchmaking I stopped playing Weeklies without a full fireteam. Now I guess I won't be playing them at all, since there's actually no strike to play-- just another list.

I guess. It's hard for me to get too worked up about that because I stopped playing weekly heroic strikes months ago. The time when I needed strange coins or Vanguard marks has long since passed.

I think the curse of having mostly liked the game as it was when it came out means I'm going to be liking it less as they cave to everyone complaining about how obviously bad the game they keep playing is.

The only thing I'm really not liking is the old gear not moving forward. What was the point of that whole etheric light thing in HoW if old gear was eventually going to be left behind anyway?

Most of the changes in this update just seem to be recognizing that some of us don't like feeling like we have to complete certain activities regularly in order to keep up. There was a time when that didn't bother me as much, but lately I'm realizing that Destiny (in its current form) is not a game that I can just jump into for 30 minutes a week.

I'm holding out hope that the Nightfall will still make you start the entire stronger over, just removing the loading screens of going to orbit and back. Also, the 30 second lockout on death (if I'm reading it correctly, I haven't run normal VoG in a while) can be an acceptable replacement annoyance.

I think they are fine as is, though.

No more kick to orbit in Nightfall.... that totally changes how it will play.

That... makes it like any other strike.

So there's no XP buff, there's no Nightfall in it anymore, since that's what the kick to orbit meant, and now it requires 40, so I'm going to have to rank up six more levels before I can do it?

Yeah, but now you can do that with just gameplay instead of RNG or grinding for currency to buy stuff and grinding for materials and experience to upgrade it.

Also, the Weekly gave me a chance to look at modifiers and the specific strike so I could decide whether or not I wanted to do it this week. Now it's just another playlist (like the other strike playlists I stopped playing months ago) and since I won't know what I'm getting, I'm not sure what the point is. When they added matchmaking I stopped playing Weeklies without a full fireteam. Now I guess I won't be playing them at all, since there's actually no strike to play-- just another list.

Where did they say the modifiers or the strike would be random? I think it's pretty reasonable to think the strike would be random, but the modifiers?

I think the curse of having mostly liked the game as it was when it came out means I'm going to be liking it less as they cave to everyone complaining about how obviously bad the game they keep playing is.

To me, the nightfall concept is good in theory but falls down in practice, especially for solo play. Surely you've been frustrated at spending a bunch of time on a nightfall only to have to start over, and then have it happen again and again. It's not much consolation that that's only not wasted time because you might get something randomly or you can have it as part of the grind for materials and currency. Not locking it to one strike each week gives more variety, something that even people who love the game have been wanting since day one. This will get me to play the nightfall more because I could rarely get people that wanted to do it with me and I could very rarely get through it alone. (This could've also been helped with a better way to connect people, like say a voice chat option everywhere.)

So people who don't buy the xpac are completely screwed?

I guess that means what you mean by screwed. You'll still be able to get to lvl 40 I would imagine, but you won't have access to the missions.

You can still play VOG and all other content that was originally out when the game released (and by that I mean story missions and most MP modes).

You don't have the DLC, you don't get the new stuff. It's that simple. I didn't get the last batch of DLC right away, and thus I couldn't participate in the weekly activities for a few weeks. Tough tomatoes, but fair.

The content is somewhat mutually exclusive, but it makes sense. I mean, what is the point of the DLC if you can do the things the people who bought it can? What's the incentive?

I get that I won't be able to do the new stuff, but it sounds like the crucible and strikes are locked off as well.

I'm curious what your fix for that would be? Right now, there's a distinct difference in how people play a nightfall strike vs. anything else in the game, even raids. Everyone holds back, usually hiding in a corner.

I feel as though that is the result of burns more than the nightfall modifier. You hang back because you get shredded if you don't since the enemy does much more damage.