Awesome addition* to the game. The Chaperone, Black Spindle, Boolean Gemini, Exotic Swords... I'm sure we'll find others but right now I love that there truly are weapons in this game that tell other people what you did and how good you had to be to do it.

Additionally, I applaud Bungie on making these all require different and varying degrees of skill so far, keeping casual players in line for a couple of them while rewarding the more hardcore for serious effort.

*I say "addition" fully recognizing that Thorn is one of these as well, though getting the exotic missive is still RNG-based, so it's possible for someone to have never had the opportunity to do it.

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I'm 100% confident there are more of these out there, and I'm really excited for that. This is how I imagined earning weapons and armor in Destiny before it launched. I look forward to them building on this in the future.

Awesome addition* to the game. The Chaperone, Black Spindle, Boolean Gemini, Exotic Swords... I'm sure we'll find others but right now I love that there truly are weapons in this game that tell other people what you did and how good you had to be to do it.

Additionally, I applaud Bungie on making these all require different and varying degrees of skill so far, keeping casual players in line for a couple of them while rewarding the more hardcore for serious effort.

*I say "addition" fully recognizing that Thorn is one of these as well, though getting the exotic missive is still RNG-based, so it's possible for someone to have never had the opportunity to do it.

This is a good time to bring back my concept for a triggered enemy (except change "Defiled" to "Taken").

Bungie implemented a lot of things that I wanted to see in the game, and I think with the way missions can be tweaked (such as the end of Cayde's stealth code mission) opens up possibilities for stuff like this.

The Sunless Cell boss battle is exactly the type of encounter that I had in mind for the concept, and the mission where you go under the Steppes in pure darkness is exactly the way I wanted the event to occur (familiar place, only shrouded in Darkness).

It's great to see that Bungie has actually implemented these indirect paths (and special enemies) to unique rewards. That's another sock for you to eat, Funkmon...

I love how they did not just lay it all out for you... It could have possibly been weeks before someone found this. I wonder how many we missed already...

I love how they did not just lay it all out for you... It could have possibly been weeks before someone found this. I wonder how many we missed already...

Who knows, but apparently the rune you get when you dismantle the black hammer was a clue, with the symbols of the doors labeled.

I remember in the mission when Nolanbot said something about the fallen leaving strange symbols on the door or something.

The game has structured its exotics and emblems and things as collections. Some people will never get particular challenge based guns, through no fault of their own, but because they aren't really good at the game. I don't like this. It doesn't sit well with me.

Legendaries, fine.

But not exotics when they're required for a collection.

The game has structured its exotics and emblems and things as collections. Some people will never get particular challenge based guns, through no fault of their own, but because they aren't really good at the game. I don't like this. It doesn't sit well with me.

Yeah, but it's also what people requested, repeatedly. It's not like we didn't already have that in the game, just look at Thorn, Mythoclast, and Necrochasm. Even if you take away the RNG element, all three required the player to complete the most difficult tasks in the game. There SHOULD be SOME rewards for players that can accomplish the most difficult tasks, and making them legendaries (thus limiting how good they can be) doesn't allow the rewards to be as cool as they should be.

I agree. Reward players for completing hard tasks. Imagine how different destiny would have been if you had to do something similar to this to get Gjallyhorn. That would have done 2 things
1. Reward the players that completed the hard task

2. Took away the RNG of the gun, getting rid of the whole "NEED 331 GJALLYHORN FOR CROTA" problem that plagued LFG.

Those were fine. The game didn't have an in game collection thing for them at that point. Either or is fine. I'd prefer it if either they dropped the collection element or made the guns legendaries.

Those were fine. The game didn't have an in game collection thing for them at that point. Either or is fine. I'd prefer it if either they dropped the collection element or made the guns legendaries.

So... when they left everyone ignorant it was okay? *Perplexed* Somehow people no longer deserve good rewards because now people will feel bad because that square in their blueprints will never be filled in? What?

Those were fine. The game didn't have an in game collection thing for them at that point. Either or is fine. I'd prefer it if either they dropped the collection element or made the guns legendaries.

I'm not sure I understand your point about the collection element. They were always collectible, if you chose to think about them that way.

The only thing that has changed (I assume this is what you are referring to) is the terminals that let you buy back any Exotic you've ever earned before. I just see this as a way to take pressure off the vault space issue.

Ignorant? We're you ignorant of the Adept Messenger? Or Thorn before the update? Or Word of Crota? Surely not.

Ignorant? We're you ignorant of the Adept Messenger? Or Thorn before the update? Or Word of Crota? Surely not.

I don't see why the blueprints suddenly change the idea then. I KNEW I was missing Necrochasm before I got TTK, suddenly adding an empty blueprint slot changes literally nothing.

Ignorant? We're you ignorant of the Adept Messenger? Or Thorn before the update? Or Word of Crota? Surely not.

So then what exactly has changed? Why are they "collectible" now, but weren't before?

It's not the same. Destiny CALLS them collections. They have special holes. Remember those boards that had holes for the state quarters? Imagine if the US Mint gave those to every man woman and child to collect the quarters, and to get more money, they had to go to the board. Now imagine in order to get Arkansas, you had to make a $20000 purchase at some point. That hole just stares at you. I do not like that the game is now influencing me and reminding me that I should be collecting the guns.

It's about presentation. See the other reply I made to Cruel.

You are assuming that the collection aspect is both a goal and desirable. It's not. The only exotics I want are the ones that will be good and fun to use. Half the exotics in Destiny suck anyway.

I like that they are exotics. I also like that I may never be able to get all of them. It gives me something to strive towards.

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It's not the same. Destiny CALLS them collections. They have special holes. Remember those boards that had holes for the state quarters? Imagine if the US Mint gave those to every man woman and child to collect the quarters, and to get more money, they had to go to the board. Now imagine in order to get Arkansas, you had to make a $20000 purchase at some point. That hole just stares at you. I do not like that the game is now influencing me and reminding me that I should be collecting the guns.

I guess I just don't feel that the game is influencing us any more than it already did. To me, the real influence is playing the game and seeing other people using cool stuff that you don't have. That has always been the carrot on the stick that gets me thinking "oooh that looks really cool. I want one!"

The terminals just seem like an easier way to keep track of the gear many of us were already chasing.

I agree. I had every exotic, and one of every unique gun in the game in 1.0. I dismantled a large number of them because I didn't like them. However, if I ever want a duplicate now, I have to see the empty holes in the "collection." The game literally forces you to have a collection, by calling your acquired exotics a collection. It is built in, and it runs me the wrong way.

It's not the same. Destiny CALLS them collections. They have special holes. Remember those boards that had holes for the state quarters? Imagine if the US Mint gave those to every man woman and child to collect the quarters, and to get more money, they had to go to the board. Now imagine in order to get Arkansas, you had to make a $20000 purchase at some point. That hole just stares at you. I do not like that the game is now influencing me and reminding me that I should be collecting the guns.

Coin and stamp collecting (as is collecting anything really) for the sake of just collecting is a stupid hobby. Likewise collecting exotics just to collect them is stupid. If say, your comic book collection is a byproduct of you buying comics you read, then fine. Just as an exotic collection of guns you use is fine.

You will go crazy and waste so much time trying to complete collections and get nothing in return.

It forces you to do nothing. You dismantled the gun and didn't have it anymore. You still don't have it anymore. Nothing has changed.

Those were fine. The game didn't have an in game collection thing for them at that point. Either or is fine. I'd prefer it if either they dropped the collection element or made the guns legendaries.

The "collection element" was an asked for feature, and I suspect not something that was Bungie's original intention. As someone who never visited the Lighthouse, and never earned my Thorn or even Invective, I'm okay with Destiny being a meritocracy as long as we're talking about items that aren't necessary to play the game. I think it's okay to allow the words legendary and exotic to carry a little of their actual meaning.

I am earning the Chaperone, though, three percent at a time. ;)

If nothing else just to try them and see what fun they might be.

It's not the same. Destiny CALLS them collections. They have special holes. Remember those boards that had holes for the state quarters? Imagine if the US Mint gave those to every man woman and child to collect the quarters, and to get more money, they had to go to the board. Now imagine in order to get Arkansas, you had to make a $20000 purchase at some point. That hole just stares at you. I do not like that the game is now influencing me and reminding me that I should be collecting the guns.

I don't understand why this is suddenly a problem. You're acting like there wasn't a board with special holes before?

There wasn't a board with special holes in the game.

Except for the fact that the game has a computer in it with your collections. Collections I don't want. Now I have them. I did not have them before. I'm just saying I don't like that change.

Except for the fact that the game has a computer in it with your collections. Collections I don't want. Now I have them. I did not have them before. I'm just saying I don't like that change.

Then never visit the Kiosk, and you'll never see them. It's not required for anything at all ever. Pretend it doesn't exist and you'll be back to the way it was.

And the weapon cards are worth zero score.

I agree. I had every exotic, and one of every unique gun in the game in 1.0. I dismantled a large number of them because I didn't like them. However, if I ever want a duplicate now, I have to see the empty holes in the "collection." The game literally forces you to have a collection, by calling your acquired exotics a collection. It is built in, and it runs me the wrong way.

LITERALLY FORCES YOU. Whoa, Nellie! LOL!

I might have one of those U.S. maps in my closet with slots for the quarters from each state.

I am not forced to have a quarter collection.

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I think each page is called a "Collection."--Where it says, Year Two, Year One, etc?

Yes, they call them collections WITHIN the kiosk, but they obviously purposefully used a DIFFERENT name for the kiosks because they did not want to imply that it was expected to collect them. This feature is something the community was asking for, a way to not have to hang on to items that you knew you didn't want, or at least didn't need right now. You knew as well as all of us long before 2.0 that dismantling those exotic pieces meant you could never get it back, and nothing has changed since then expect your perception of the event. OCD is not a good reason to scrap a good feature that people want, nor is it a good reason to lessen the rewards that players receive for the activities they work hard for.

I think each page is called a "Collection."--Where it says, Year Two, Year One, etc?

Yes, Funkmon pointed that out, but as I said to them, they purposefully used a different name for the kiosks when all the other kiosks are called collections.

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I also like that. It is totally fine with me. I HAD all the stuff, but I would be fine if I didn't. I think we see eye to eye there.

I just don't like the "collections." I know most people like it. I know it was an asked for feature. I know I am in the minority. I think it was a good decision in general on Bungie's part to do it for the fans. It adds a lot of convenience.

I just don't like it. That's all. I don't know why people are treating this as if I said some kind of ultimatum or objective critique of Bungie's decision. All I ever said was that I don't like performance rewarded guns being part of a collection. I also don't like olives on pizza. Am I going to get messages saying "deal with it?"

This forum's getting weird.

Those were fine. The game didn't have an in game collection thing for them at that point. Either or is fine. I'd prefer it if either they dropped the collection element or made the guns legendaries.

The "collection element" was an asked for feature, and I suspect not something that was Bungie's original intention. As someone who never visited the Lighthouse, and never earned my Thorn or even Invective, I'm okay with Destiny being a meritocracy as long as we're talking about items that aren't necessary to play the game. I think it's okay to allow the words legendary and exotic to carry a little of their actual meaning.

I am earning the Chaperone, though, three percent at a time. ;)

Well said.

The other part of this that I personally don't relate to is the "I wish I could get it but I never will" mentality. So far, none of these exotic quests are that demanding. I've seen a few people say things like "I'd love to get this gun but I suck at PvP so that's not fair". Isn't the idea of needing to work towards something the entire point of quests like this? Challenging yourself and improving until you finally complete a task which felt beyond you in the beginning: isn't that what makes these activities feel rewarding?

When Trials of Osiris started, I wasn't a particularly good PvP player. Perhaps slightly better than average, but not by much. But I really wanted to get to the lighthouse and earn that gear. So I practiced. I played and played, and really paid attention to what went well and what went wrong. I watched the other players, both on my team and against me, to see how they would succeed or fail.

That time and effort is exactly what made going to the lighthouse feel like such an achievement every single time. The gear was more than a nice reward, it was also a symbol of that achievement.

Now, if someone really doesn't like playing PvP but they feel forced to in order to earn a gun they want, that is a different issue. I totally get that frustration.

I don't know where you got the idea that I think the feature should be changed. I just said I didn't like it.

I also like that. It is totally fine with me. I HAD all the stuff, but I would be fine if I didn't. I think we see eye to eye there.

I just don't like the "collections." I know most people like it. I know it was an asked for feature. I know I am in the minority. I think it was a good decision in general on Bungie's part to do it for the fans. It adds a lot of convenience.

I just don't like it. That's all. I don't know why people are treating this as if I said some kind of ultimatum or objective critique of Bungie's decision. All I ever said was that I don't like performance rewarded guns being part of a collection. I also don't like olives on pizza. Am I going to get messages saying "deal with it?"

This forum's getting weird.

Criticizing Bungie for adding collections for exotics and having PvP Perfomance-based exotic quests are two different things.

I just don't like it. That's all. I don't know why people are treating this as if I said some kind of ultimatum or objective critique of Bungie's decision. All I ever said was that I don't like performance rewarded guns being part of a collection. I also don't like olives on pizza. Am I going to get messages saying "deal with it?"

This forum's getting weird.

It hits a very specific nerve: the idea that somehow something shouldn't be as good because not everyone can get it. It's seen as along the same lines as "both sides get a trophy, and we don't keep score!"

Kermit, I am saying the game gives you a collection. Every new guardian has a kiosk with "collection 1" and "collection 2" in it. You cannot op t out of that. I am not saying the game forces me to go search for new guns. I am saying it gives me a collection.

If you have a quarter board, guess what? You've got a collection. You may not actively pursue it, but it's there.

I don't know where you got the idea that I think the feature should be changed. I just said I didn't like it.

"I don't want to be happy" - Funkmon 2015

I never said they shouldn't be as good. Look at Fatebringer or Black Hammer. I don't like how they are classified in the game with its current framework. Period. that is it.

I never said they shouldn't be as good. Look at Fatebringer or Black Hammer. I don't like how they are classified in the game with its current framework. Period. that is it.

Right, but they got left behind (and nerfed) for a reason. Changing the reward to Legendaries requires that they not be as good, otherwise you can have two exotic-tier weapons equipped at the same time, breaking what semblance of balance they DO have in the game.

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Cyber. I am a libertarian. I am a political NUTJOB. If think roads should be private. That kind of crazy guy. However, the United States has voted for some things to be run by government. They should not change that if the will of the people doesn't support it. If more people want public roads, we should have public roads. I would never support the government doing something the majority of people didn't want, like the privatisation of highways, but if you asked me if I liked public roads, I would say no.

I don't know why everyone here thinks people can't have nuanced opinions. Just because I don't like something doesn't mean I think it should change. If everyone at a party wants chili dogs and I want hamburgers, I won't suggest to the host to drop chili dogs for hamburgers for fuck's sake. That's stupid. I WILL, if ASKED, say what I prefer. I'll even eat a chili dog with beans even though I don't like beans.

I'm not some entitled dickwad who thinks everything he doesn't like or does like needs to be implemented in Bungie's game. It is their game. It is not my game. I will still play. I still love the game. The game is still the best game I have ever played. One specific aspect I thought was better before 2.0. Don't treat me like a greedy child insisting I get my way, because I am nothing like that, and I'm insulted you guys think I am.

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Changing the reward to Legendaries requires that they not be as good, otherwise you can have two exotic-tier weapons equipped at the same time, breaking what semblance of balance they DO have in the game.

Ah, the good old "Fatebringer + Black Hammer + Gjallarhorn" days. Good times :)

Cyber. I am a libertarian. I am a political NUTJOB. If think roads should be private. That kind of crazy guy. However, the United States has voted for some things to be run by government. They should not change that if the will of the people doesn't support it. If more people want public roads, we should have public roads. I would never support the government doing something the majority of people didn't want, like the privatisation of highways, but if you asked me if I liked public roads, I would say no.

I don't know why everyone here thinks people can't have nuanced opinions. Just because I don't like something doesn't mean I think it should change. If everyone at a party wants chili dogs and I want hamburgers, I won't suggest to the host to drop chili dogs for hamburgers for fuck's sake. That's stupid. I WILL, if ASKED, say what I prefer. I'll even eat a chili dog with beans even though I don't like beans.

I'm not some entitled dickwad who thinks everything he doesn't like or does like needs to be implemented in Bungie's game. It is their game. It is not my game. I will still play. I still love the game. The game is still the best game I have ever played. One specific aspect I thought was better before 2.0. Don't treat me like a greedy child insisting I get my way, because I am nothing like that, and I'm insulted you guys think I am.

Odd ramble aside, I don't buy your complaint. You whine that some things are out of reach for people who aren't as good as others? Why should the bar be placed lower because some people can't jump it?

It's the same as some dolt complaining that Trials is too hard for him because he wants to get to the Lighthouse, so Bungie should accommodate his skill level. It just doesn't work that way, and would be terrible if it did. You think it's unfair that you can't have every exotic delivered on a silver platter (and maxed out, to boot), just because you want to have it?
What would challenge you, then?
What would drive you to be better?
What would you look forward to as a reward?

Some things are out of reach for people. We have people here that never got past the PvP portion of Thorn, some that got it in a couple of matches, and some who took months to finally succeed. It's a challenge that rewards the skilled, and a mountain for those less skilled to climb, but I can assure you that the people who had to struggle with the challenge felt a greater level of success than those who breezed through the PvP portion.

How would we feel about climbing Everest if there was a chairlift that dropped folks off at the top?

Cyber. I am a libertarian. I am a political NUTJOB. If think roads should be private. That kind of crazy guy. However, the United States has voted for some things to be run by government. They should not change that if the will of the people doesn't support it. If more people want public roads, we should have public roads. I would never support the government doing something the majority of people didn't want, like the privatisation of highways, but if you asked me if I liked public roads, I would say no.

I don't know why everyone here thinks people can't have nuanced opinions. Just because I don't like something doesn't mean I think it should change. If everyone at a party wants chili dogs and I want hamburgers, I won't suggest to the host to drop chili dogs for hamburgers for fuck's sake. That's stupid. I WILL, if ASKED, say what I prefer. I'll even eat a chili dog with beans even though I don't like beans.

I'm not some entitled dickwad who thinks everything he doesn't like or does like needs to be implemented in Bungie's game. It is their game. It is not my game. I will still play. I still love the game. The game is still the best game I have ever played. One specific aspect I thought was better before 2.0. Don't treat me like a greedy child insisting I get my way, because I am nothing like that, and I'm insulted you guys think I am.

Odd ramble aside, I don't buy your complaint. You whine that some things are out of reach for people who aren't as good as others? Why should the bar be placed lower because some people can't jump it?

It's the same as some dolt complaining that Trials is too hard for him because he wants to get to the Lighthouse, so Bungie should accommodate his skill level.

No, it's not. He's stated VERY CLEARLY that he doesn't think Bungie should change this - just that he doesn't like it.

Why is everyone on his case about this? If I said I didn't like broccoli, would you all try and convince me I should?

http://www.playstationtrophies.org/game/destiny/trophies/

http://www.xboxachievements.com/game/destiny/achievements/

It should be noted that there isn't an achievement/trophy for getting a complete set of items.

Why is everyone on his case about this? If I said I didn't like broccoli, would you all try and convince me I should?

Because it's delicious and packed with Iron. If you don't like it you are wrong! Tastes are tastes... but some tastes are better than others.

Cyber. I am a libertarian. I am a political NUTJOB. If think roads should be private. That kind of crazy guy. However, the United States has voted for some things to be run by government. They should not change that if the will of the people doesn't support it. If more people want public roads, we should have public roads. I would never support the government doing something the majority of people didn't want, like the privatisation of highways, but if you asked me if I liked public roads, I would say no.

I don't know why everyone here thinks people can't have nuanced opinions. Just because I don't like something doesn't mean I think it should change. If everyone at a party wants chili dogs and I want hamburgers, I won't suggest to the host to drop chili dogs for hamburgers for fuck's sake. That's stupid. I WILL, if ASKED, say what I prefer. I'll even eat a chili dog with beans even though I don't like beans.

I'm not some entitled dickwad who thinks everything he doesn't like or does like needs to be implemented in Bungie's game. It is their game. It is not my game. I will still play. I still love the game. The game is still the best game I have ever played. One specific aspect I thought was better before 2.0. Don't treat me like a greedy child insisting I get my way, because I am nothing like that, and I'm insulted you guys think I am.

Odd ramble aside, I don't buy your complaint. You whine that some things are out of reach for people who aren't as good as others? Why should the bar be placed lower because some people can't jump it?

It's the same as some dolt complaining that Trials is too hard for him because he wants to get to the Lighthouse, so Bungie should accommodate his skill level.

No, it's not. He's stated VERY CLEARLY that he doesn't think Bungie should change this - just that he doesn't like it.

Why is everyone on his case about this? If I said I didn't like broccoli, would you all try and convince me I should?

I suspect it's what Xenos said, he touched a nerve regarding the idea of fairness in rewards irrespective of skill. I think Funkmon feels that now that we have a way to track collections (if we choose!), it's worse than it use to be that some things can't be acquired by the lesser skilled. The great unwashed will feel worse than ever seeing what they're missing all the time (maybe?).

So there's several points, some of which may be misinterpretations--the idea that the game should distribute rewards evenly. Funkmon's assertion that kiosk screens constitute collections in themselves or that their existence forces people to collect. I suspect many people like the new kiosks and simply don't understand or can't relate to the criticism. (That's pretty much me.)

Regardless, Funkmon's a good bloke and the pushback has been a bit harsh, kind of like some of the exotic quests, I guess. :)

It limits you to equipping just one of these reward weapons at a time, which means that you don't end up in a situation where all three weapon slots are full of high barrier to entry weapons that many players simply will never get. Only one slot is full that way, and you have to make a choice about which slot it should be, plus it puts that prestige reward item in competition with the other, non-reward-but-still-very-awesome exotics.

This means no one should feel like they *must* collect the challenge based reward exotic items in order to be competitive since they can plug in a different exotic instead and still be quite powerful.

I do not miss the days of Fatebringer + Black Hammer + Gjallerhorn.

I understood Funkmon's complaints as being about 2 connected issues (Funkmon, please correct me if I'm wrong):

1) It's not fair to have certain weapons locked behind tasks that some players aren't good enough to complete,

and

2) For those who feel certain rewards are out of reach, the kiosks serve as a constant reminder, which can sting a bit.

My main comment was that I disagree with point #1. I think it's great to have rewards that are challenging to earn, because it makes them special in a way they wouldn't be if everyone could easily get everything.

As far as point #2 goes, I don't feel the same way as Funkmon, but I totally see where he is coming from.

We love ya, Funk :)

We love ya, Funk :)

Funkmon speaks German. You know who else spoke German? Hitler. Therefore Funkmon = Hitler.

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I do not miss the days of Fatebringer + Black Hammer + Gjallerhorn.

You clearly hate fun. Why? Why do you hate fun?

;p

I do not miss the days of Fatebringer + Black Hammer + Gjallerhorn.

You clearly hate fun. Why? Why do you hate fun?

;p

I hate RNG.

Having the weapons you did the work for is great, but doing the work and NOT having them sucks ballsack in a very painful way.

As my good buddy can attest after more than 30 hardmode Templar kills with no Fatebringer to show for it. Probably it's more than that - for a long while there he was running the raid 3 times a week.

I do not miss the days of Fatebringer + Black Hammer + Gjallerhorn.

You clearly hate fun. Why? Why do you hate fun?

;p

I hate RNG.

Having the weapons you did the work for is great, but doing the work and NOT having them sucks ballsack in a very painful way.

As my good buddy can attest after more than 30 hardmode Templar kills with no Fatebringer to show for it. Probably it's more than that - for a long while there he was running the raid 3 times a week.

Oh, I'm totally with you :) Well, mostly. I'm ok with a little bit of RNG. I enjoy the "what did you get!?" moment at the end of a first run through a raid. But running the raid 30+ just to get a single item to drop is rediculous. Poor Speedracer had to watch me get like a dozen Mythoclasts before he got his first. A system like that is just discouraging all around :-/

Now, if someone really doesn't like playing PvP but they feel forced to in order to earn a gun they want, that is a different issue. I totally get that frustration.

That's me. I don't hate the Crucible by any means, but I love PvE so much more that I don't run Crucible often. I don't even have the Chaperone quest (and I want that gun!) because I'm STILL not Crucible Rank 3.

I'll get there at some point, I'm sure.

I just don't like it. That's all. I don't know why people are treating this as if I said some kind of ultimatum or objective critique of Bungie's decision. All I ever said was that I don't like performance rewarded guns being part of a collection. I also don't like olives on pizza. Am I going to get messages saying "deal with it?"

It doesn't have to be objective critique for people to want to respond to you about it. You posted, they've posted in response. What were you expecting? For you to post this thought on a discussion board and for people to just nod and not respond? Or for their opinions to be watered down? If people were insulting you personally it would be different, it just looks like a lot of people are strongly disagreeing with you (some out of misunderstanding your initial point).

I for one don't think it's an issue at all to have them as collections. They are not a necessity to enjoy the game, it's not a quality of life issue, these collections are a luxury.

Yes this was a big problem in year 1. Outside of exotics, You shouldnt have to do the raid more than the number of peices of gear to get them all (obviously different class armor/rolls will change this number). Exotics should stay RNG IMO. It gave me a reason to keep playing.

Supposedly they fixed this though, making it to where they will take what you have into consideration on drops. I doubt this will prevent people getting the same thing a few times before they get something new, I believe it will not take 30+_ runs

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