Regarding PoE... (Destiny)
I think it's good, not great.
PoE is bungie's way of addressing raid-style mechanics to a 3 person fireteam, bringing more raid style content to their larger audience. This is their first attempt, and it is both hit and miss. That really didn't exist in the past. It's the equivalent to when WoW went from 40 man raids down to 20 and 10 man raids. Suddenly each raid member had to be a little more skilled, things had to go a little more smoothly, there was a little less wiggle room. I expect future content such as this to be in different, bigger, areas. I think the arena stuff was good use of limited map space, but ultimately an experiment for 3 man fireteams with more difficult mechanics than what you see in the strikes or in the story mode. In that respect it's a success.
It falls down though in that, as has been discussed, it's less approachable. I think Bungie would have been better off marketing it as a mini-raid rather than something completely new. We have spent, and thought little about, spending hours in a raid figuring out mechanics with no loot to show for it. Skolas is the new crota hard. It's frustrating, but the same paradigm. The lack of a checkpoint is probably a time-gate, to prevent people blowing through it way too fast via LFG tools. It adds to the grindy nature of the process though -- it's a 40-60 minute run to get to him, then you practice.
It fragments raid groups as well. I don't run as much with a number of people that I used to see a few times a week. On the flipside, I've gotten to run with some other guys I hadn't run with as much in the past, but enjoy spending time with. So a mixed bag there I guess. There's definitely less team cohesion as well.
I don't like that PoE has 4 separate difficulties. I think 3 would be enough. I think Bungie has been trying really hard to onboard new players through both expansions, and this one is showing through a little -- 28 is one of the gated levels to get to higher content. They're still maintaining a gear upgrade path for a new character all the way to 34, and trying to have interesting things to do along the way.
IMO There should be a lvl 32 matchmade PoE that randomly drops, once a week, an etheric light, a weapon core, or an armor core. Only available to 34's, maybe via an unlock quest.
The lvl 28 PoE is, probably intentionally, like a dragon strike -- it goes pretty fast, but at 25ish minutes it's too long for the (seemingly limited) reward pool at the end. I'm better off running 2 dragons strikes for weapon parts and chances at ships, along with other random junk once I've gotten some of the queen's weapons.
So yeah. All that said, the PoE wasn't for us raiders. It was raiding for the guys who could get a couple buddies together here and there rather than coordinate a 6 person team. I like it, and as a hobbyist game dev, I admire what they've done. But it wasn't quite what I was looking for for PvE "endgame" content. I'm more disappointed than angry, and I know I just have to wait a few months to see what's around the next corner. It'll go pretty fast. Like any MMO, it's as much about the people, the journey, than the end. When that gjallarhorn or hawkmoon finally drop, they are so much more fun because of the stories they've created. It's about that, or should be, as much as about the loot.
Complete thread:
- Defeated Skolas last night (House of Wolves thoughts) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-06-10, 15:00
- +1 -
CyberKN,
2015-06-10, 15:03
- +1 -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-10, 16:14
- If the rumours are true... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-06-10, 18:01
- If the rumours are true... -
Claude Errera,
2015-06-10, 19:03
- If the rumours are true... -
ChrisTheeCrappy,
2015-06-10, 19:11
- If the rumours are true... -
Claude Errera,
2015-06-10, 19:12
- If the rumours are true... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-06-10, 19:25
- If the rumours are true... -
Claude Errera,
2015-06-10, 19:34
- If the rumours are true... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-06-10, 19:44
- If the rumours are true... -
Claude Errera,
2015-06-10, 20:08
- Ahhh, another detail I cut from my original post... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-06-10, 20:15
- Ahhh, another detail I cut from my original post... -
Xenos,
2015-06-10, 20:23
- Ahhh, another detail I cut from my original post... - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-06-11, 13:01
- Ahhh, another detail I cut from my original post... -
Xenos,
2015-06-10, 20:23
- If the rumours are true... - Cody Miller, 2015-06-11, 00:07
- Ahhh, another detail I cut from my original post... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-06-10, 20:15
- If the rumours are true... -
Claude Errera,
2015-06-10, 20:08
- If the rumours are true... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-06-10, 19:44
- If the rumours are true... -
Claude Errera,
2015-06-10, 19:34
- If the rumours are true... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-06-10, 19:25
- If the rumours are true... -
Claude Errera,
2015-06-10, 19:12
- If the rumours are true... - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-06-10, 19:22
- If the rumours are true... -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-11, 00:15
- If the rumours are true... - Claude Errera, 2015-06-11, 02:09
- Um... - nico, 2015-06-11, 20:11
- I've already got more than I paid for - kidtsunami, 2015-06-11, 11:02
- If the rumours are true... -
ChrisTheeCrappy,
2015-06-10, 19:11
- If the rumours are true... -
Claude Errera,
2015-06-10, 19:03
- +1 - CyberKN, 2015-06-10, 20:27
- If the rumours are true... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-06-10, 18:01
- +1 -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-10, 16:14
- Defeated Skolas last night (House of Wolves thoughts) -
Ragashingo,
2015-06-10, 15:18
- An updated reward pool would be nice. -
CyberKN,
2015-06-10, 15:34
- My thoughts exactly. - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-06-10, 15:55
- An updated reward pool would be nice. -
CyberKN,
2015-06-10, 15:34
- Defeated Skolas last night (House of Wolves thoughts) -
Xenos,
2015-06-10, 15:41
- Defeated Skolas last night (House of Wolves thoughts) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-06-10, 16:03
- Defeated Skolas last night (House of Wolves thoughts) -
Xenos,
2015-06-10, 17:25
- Defeated Skolas last night (House of Wolves thoughts) - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-06-10, 17:52
- Defeated Skolas last night (House of Wolves thoughts) -
Xenos,
2015-06-10, 17:25
- Defeated Skolas last night (House of Wolves thoughts) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-06-10, 16:03
- Regarding gear... -
slycrel,
2015-06-10, 15:48
- Post of the day. - Claude Errera, 2015-06-10, 15:53
- Regarding gear... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-06-10, 15:58
- HOARD ALL THE THINGS - someotherguy, 2015-06-10, 16:00
- uh, maybe stop being so awesome at everything you touch? ;) -
slycrel,
2015-06-10, 16:18
- It is my gift... it is my curse ;p -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-06-10, 18:59
- I'll take that as a "thank you". :D - slycrel, 2015-06-11, 01:55
- It is my gift... it is my curse ;p -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-06-10, 18:59
- We are the top % -
Durandal,
2015-06-10, 16:12
- You're a crazy person. -
Funkmon,
2015-06-10, 16:25
- True - Durandal, 2015-06-10, 16:34
- We are the top % -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-06-10, 17:59
- We are the top % -
red robber,
2015-06-10, 18:26
- We are the top % - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-06-10, 18:55
- We are the top % -
red robber,
2015-06-10, 18:26
- You're a crazy person. -
Funkmon,
2015-06-10, 16:25
- Regarding gear... -
red robber,
2015-06-10, 16:21
- Regarding gear... -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-10, 16:32
- Regarding gear... -
red robber,
2015-06-10, 16:57
- Regarding gear... -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-10, 17:01
- Regarding gear... -
red robber,
2015-06-10, 17:12
- Regarding gear... -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-10, 17:17
- Regarding gear... - red robber, 2015-06-10, 17:19
- Regarding gear... - General Vagueness, 2015-06-10, 20:40
- Regarding gear... -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-10, 17:17
- Regarding gear... -
red robber,
2015-06-10, 17:12
- Regarding gear... -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-10, 17:01
- Regarding gear... -
red robber,
2015-06-10, 16:57
- Regarding gear... -
dogcow,
2015-06-10, 16:44
- Regarding gear... -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-10, 17:04
- +1 - slycrel, 2015-06-10, 17:44
- Regarding gear... -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-10, 17:04
- Regarding gear... -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-10, 16:32
- Regarding gear... -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-10, 16:22
- And fortunately, all those old weapons are still obtainable! -
slycrel,
2015-06-10, 16:23
- How so? -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-10, 16:24
- Reports say purples from normal patrol chests+tiger strikes. -
Funkmon,
2015-06-10, 16:28
- Reports say purples from normal patrol chests+tiger strikes. -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-10, 16:35
- I don't believe so. -
iconicbanana,
2015-06-10, 16:38
- I don't believe so. -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-10, 16:40
- Try the level 24 strike playlist anyway. Can't hurt. - Funkmon, 2015-06-10, 17:48
- I don't believe so. -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-10, 16:40
- I don't believe so. -
iconicbanana,
2015-06-10, 16:38
- Reports say purples from normal patrol chests+tiger strikes. -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-10, 16:35
- Most of the worthwhile ones are raid drops. - slycrel, 2015-06-10, 17:47
- Reports say purples from normal patrol chests+tiger strikes. -
Funkmon,
2015-06-10, 16:28
- How so? -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-10, 16:24
- And fortunately, all those old weapons are still obtainable! -
slycrel,
2015-06-10, 16:23
- I Disagree & Agree - dogcow, 2015-06-10, 15:49
- Regarding PoE... -
slycrel,
2015-06-10, 16:17
- Have you played Mass Effect 3? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-06-10, 17:51
- Have you played Mass Effect 3? - slycrel, 2015-06-10, 18:25
- This is how PoE should have been done. Its close...but not. - INSANEdrive, 2015-06-10, 18:28
- Have you played Mass Effect 3? -
Ragashingo,
2015-06-10, 20:06
- Have you played Mass Effect 3? -
Kahzgul,
2015-06-10, 21:03
- Have you played Mass Effect 3? - Ragashingo, 2015-06-10, 21:46
- Have you played Mass Effect 3? -
Kahzgul,
2015-06-10, 21:03
- Have you played Mass Effect 3? - stabbim, 2015-06-10, 22:43
- Have you played Mass Effect 3? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-06-10, 17:51
- You will never have all the things. Ever. -
Revenant1988,
2015-06-10, 16:33
- You will never have all the things. Ever. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-06-10, 17:56
- You will never have all the things. Ever. - Cody Miller, 2015-06-11, 01:39
- You will never have all the things. Ever. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-06-10, 17:56
- The real problem is mastery -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-10, 16:56
- Bug report. - INSANEdrive, 2015-06-10, 17:33
- IMO we are too early for "mastery" with PoE. - slycrel, 2015-06-10, 17:42
- I don't think so. -
Funkmon,
2015-06-10, 17:54
- I don't think so. -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-10, 18:47
- I don't think so. - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-06-10, 18:58
- I don't think so. -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-10, 18:47
- This quoted text. So much this quoted text. -
dogcow,
2015-06-10, 18:34
- Yep. Cody nailed that one. - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-06-10, 18:54
- This quoted text. So much this quoted text. -
CyberKN,
2015-06-10, 19:05
- This quoted text. So much this quoted text. -
Kermit,
2015-06-10, 19:18
- Atheon random teleport fix, what's the real reason? -
dogcow,
2015-06-10, 19:36
- Atheon random teleport fix, what's the real reason? - Kermit, 2015-06-10, 21:24
- Atheon random teleport fix, what's the real reason? -
dogcow,
2015-06-10, 19:36
- This quoted text. So much this quoted text. -
Kermit,
2015-06-10, 19:18
- The real problem is fantasy. -
narcogen,
2015-06-10, 23:00
- Very interesting -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-06-10, 23:33
- Very interesting - Cody Miller, 2015-06-11, 00:04
- Variety -
narcogen,
2015-06-11, 03:32
- Variety - Cody Miller, 2015-06-11, 14:39
- Very interesting -
General Vagueness,
2015-06-11, 13:58
- Apropos of (almost) nothing. -
iconicbanana,
2015-06-11, 14:03
- Apropos of (almost) nothing. -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-11, 14:47
- It really is apropos of nothing, I just wanted to do it. - iconicbanana, 2015-06-11, 14:51
- Apropos of (almost) nothing. -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-11, 14:47
- Apropos of (almost) nothing. -
iconicbanana,
2015-06-11, 14:03
- The real problem is fantasy. -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-11, 00:02
- The real problem is fantasy. - narcogen, 2015-06-11, 03:34
- The real problem is perfection. -
narcogen,
2015-06-11, 03:37
- The real problem is perfection. - Cody Miller, 2015-06-11, 14:42
- Very interesting -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-06-10, 23:33
- Some thoughts on your thoughts. -
iconicbanana,
2015-06-10, 21:13
- Some thoughts on your thoughts. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-06-10, 21:48
- Some thoughts on your thoughts. - Kermit, 2015-06-11, 15:16
- Some thoughts on your thoughts. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-06-10, 21:48
- +1 -
CyberKN,
2015-06-10, 15:03