
This is 100% a fantastic thing. (Destiny)
Obvious Troll is obvious, but nonetheless - it's not about whether it's cosmetic or not. It's about greed over art, and shitty anti-consumer business practices.
Not a troll. Dead serious.
Bungie is a business. Their business is to make a product that consumers want to spend money on.
That is fact.
They can put their passion into it and make the game that they want to make, but in the end, it needs to make money. Microtransactions fix a number of issues that they have to contend with (active budget being the biggest), and with a bigger budget comes more content.
Quality is another thing, but paid content does not equal quality. We saw this with The Dark Below. That was barebones content sold for a high price. Was TDB about "art"?
I'm absolutely stunned by how many people are okay with this. Bungie have done at lot of things that some find disagreeable, but I've always trusted that they know what they're doing. This is the only thing that makes me genuinely question what it is they're up to. At the risk of insulting people - If you think this is okay you're being incredibly short-sighted.
And far more people here are stunned by how many people are not okay with this. I've followed the impact of things such as free-to-play, microtransactions, expansion packs, piecemeal DLC, and even free DLC. And what I've found is that the way the business interaction between customer and company goes, it has very little impact on the quality of the product.
Arkham Knight: Fantastic core game. Season pass, all DLC poorly reviewed.
Mass Effect 3: Fantastic core game (Single-player is the main selling point). All multiplayer content free, paid for by microtransactions. Multiplayer content is massive, and high quality.
Destiny: Mediocre core game. Season Pass, DLC adds little to the game, most fixes and patches affect those who didn't pay for the DLC. DLC poorly reviewed, until $40 DLC receives great reception.
Warframe: Entire game and constant additions and updates entirely free (paid by Microtransactions). 10 Million players, huge amounts of content, overwhelmingly positive reception.
So where is the magical formula of "art" and "quality" that comes from regular DLC and season passes that microtransactions keep a company from achieving?
Where do we see a game that was once DLC-based get corrupted by microtransactions?
Maybe you'd have an argument if Pay-to-win came into play, but Bungie is doing nothing devious to force players to buy cosmetic emotes.
They aren't selling their souls and throwing "art" out the window.
If nothing else, I say the same thing that I said to Cody: Take the content that we got from the Year 1 season pass, and use it as the standard for what is to come during the same period. You can even separate the paid content from the free content if you wish, and we'll see who was right. Bookmark this post if you want, but I was already right once when I talked about how Destiny would look in a year, so I will preemptively say this:
I told you so.
Prove me wrong in a year.
Complete thread:
- Tess returns to the tower -
CyberKN,
2015-10-05, 20:37
- Thank god! A new currency! -
Funkmon,
2015-10-05, 20:38
- Thank god! A new currency! -
red robber,
2015-10-05, 20:41
- Everything makes Cody quit the game. -
Funkmon,
2015-10-05, 20:42
- Sounds pretty serious to me. -
red robber,
2015-10-05, 20:47
- ----Line in the sand---- -
INSANEdrive,
2015-10-05, 21:00
- Also... - INSANEdrive, 2015-10-05, 21:08
- Sounds pretty serious to me. -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 21:47
- Sounds pretty serious to me. -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-05, 21:54
- Sounds pretty serious to me. - Cody Miller, 2015-10-05, 21:56
- Sounds pretty serious to me. -
Ragashingo,
2015-10-05, 22:40
- Sounds pretty serious to me. -
petetheduck,
2015-10-05, 23:19
- Sounds pretty serious to me. -
Ragashingo,
2015-10-05, 23:41
- Sounds pretty serious to me. -
petetheduck,
2015-10-05, 23:50
- Sounds pretty serious to me. -
Ragashingo,
2015-10-06, 01:02
- Sounds pretty serious to me. -
Avateur,
2015-10-06, 01:17
- Sounds pretty serious to me. - cheapLEY, 2015-10-06, 01:21
- Sounds pretty serious to me. -
Avateur,
2015-10-06, 01:17
- Sounds pretty serious to me. -
Ragashingo,
2015-10-06, 01:02
- Sounds pretty serious to me. -
petetheduck,
2015-10-05, 23:50
- Sounds pretty serious to me. -
Ragashingo,
2015-10-05, 23:41
- Sounds pretty serious to me. -
petetheduck,
2015-10-05, 23:19
- Sounds pretty serious to me. -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-05, 21:54
- Sounds pretty serious to me. - Funkmon, 2015-10-05, 21:58
- Sounds pretty serious to me. - Cody Miller, 2015-10-07, 18:00
- ----Line in the sand---- -
INSANEdrive,
2015-10-05, 21:00
- Sounds pretty serious to me. -
red robber,
2015-10-05, 20:47
- Everything makes Cody quit the game. -
Funkmon,
2015-10-05, 20:42
- Thank god! A new currency! -
red robber,
2015-10-05, 20:41
- Tess returns to the tower -
petetheduck,
2015-10-05, 21:01
- Agreed
- INSANEdrive, 2015-10-05, 21:01
- Kotaku says this means free missions, DLC -
petetheduck,
2015-10-05, 21:16
- Did see. - INSANEdrive, 2015-10-05, 21:23
- Everyone should read ^this^. Could be GREAT news.
- CruelLEGACEY, 2015-10-05, 21:23
- Kotaku says this means free missions, DLC -
car15,
2015-10-05, 23:01
- Microtransactions meant free DLC for Mass Effect 3 - Kahzgul, 2015-10-05, 23:13
- Kotaku says this means free missions, DLC -
petetheduck,
2015-10-05, 21:16
- Tess returns to the tower - kanbo, 2015-10-05, 21:06
- Agreed
- Really Bungie? F***ing really? -
someotherguy,
2015-10-05, 21:04
- Really someotherguy? F***ing really? -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-05, 21:31
- Really someotherguy? F***ing really? -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 21:55
- Really someotherguy? F***ing really? -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-05, 22:01
- Really someotherguy? F***ing really? - Funkmon, 2015-10-05, 22:03
- 100% Conjecture... -
Korny,
2015-10-05, 22:11
- 100% Conjecture... -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 22:15
- 100% Conjecture... - Korny, 2015-10-05, 22:33
- 100% Conjecture... - Kahzgul, 2015-10-05, 23:22
- 100% Conjecture... -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 22:15
- Really someotherguy? F***ing really? - Ragashingo, 2015-10-05, 22:44
- Really someotherguy? F***ing really? -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-05, 22:01
- Really cheapLEY? F***ing really? -
someotherguy,
2015-10-05, 22:26
- Really cheapLEY? F***ing really? -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-05, 22:37
- Really cheapLEY? F***ing really? - someotherguy, 2015-10-05, 23:35
- Really cheapLEY? F***ing really? -
Harmanimus,
2015-10-05, 23:30
- Thank you. -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-05, 23:35
- What is with you people?! -
someotherguy,
2015-10-05, 23:51
- What is with you people?! -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 23:59
- What is with you people?! -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-10-06, 00:05
- What is with you people?! -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-06, 00:11
- What is with you people?! - someotherguy, 2015-10-06, 00:15
- What is with you people?! - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-10-06, 00:23
- What is with you people?! - Harmanimus, 2015-10-06, 00:40
- But... but... where are the numbers? - kidtsunami, 2015-10-06, 12:04
- What is with you people?! -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-06, 00:11
- What is with you people?! -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-10-06, 00:05
- What is with you people?! -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-10-06, 00:11
- I knew this was coming - someotherguy, 2015-10-06, 00:12
- What is with you people?! -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-06, 00:12
- What is with you people?! -
someotherguy,
2015-10-06, 00:22
- What is with you people?! -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-06, 01:21
- Fair enough -
someotherguy,
2015-10-06, 01:23
- Fair enough - cheapLEY, 2015-10-06, 01:33
- Fair enough -
someotherguy,
2015-10-06, 01:23
- What is with you people?! -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-06, 01:21
- What is with you people?! -
someotherguy,
2015-10-06, 00:22
- What is with you people?! -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 23:59
- What is with you people?! -
someotherguy,
2015-10-05, 23:51
- On Entitlement -
someotherguy,
2015-10-05, 23:49
- On Entitlement -
Harmanimus,
2015-10-06, 00:28
- Almost had me -
someotherguy,
2015-10-06, 01:01
- Almost had me -
Harmanimus,
2015-10-06, 04:30
- Words are much better than emotes - Pyromancy, 2015-10-06, 10:04
- Almost had me - someotherguy, 2015-10-06, 10:51
- Almost had me -
Harmanimus,
2015-10-06, 04:30
- Almost had me -
someotherguy,
2015-10-06, 01:01
- On Entitlement -
Harmanimus,
2015-10-06, 00:28
- Thank you. -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-05, 23:35
- Really cheapLEY? F***ing really? -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-05, 22:37
- Really someotherguy? F***ing really? -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 21:55
- Really someotherguy? F***ing really? -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-05, 21:31
- >Sigh<
- dogcow, 2015-10-05, 21:06
- Am I the only one who's actually happy about this? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-10-05, 21:16
- Am I the only one who's actually happy about this? - dogcow, 2015-10-05, 21:19
- Am I the only one who's actually happy about this? -
Leviathan,
2015-10-05, 21:20
- Wrong, actually... -
Korny,
2015-10-05, 21:25
- Wrong, actually... -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 22:06
- Wrong, actually... - cheapLEY, 2015-10-05, 22:07
- But you only have conjecture - kidtsunami, 2015-10-05, 22:23
- I fully disagree -
Kahzgul,
2015-10-05, 23:26
- I fully disagree - Cody Miller, 2015-10-06, 00:13
- Wrong, actually... -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 22:06
- Wrong, actually... -
Korny,
2015-10-05, 21:25
- Nah I'm in the same boat as you. - LostSpartan, 2015-10-05, 21:22
- *Raises hand*
- Ragashingo, 2015-10-05, 21:25
- Nope, there are a lot of us that like it.
- Xenos, 2015-10-05, 21:30
- No, not at all. - cheapLEY, 2015-10-05, 21:33
- Agreed. Cosmetic is cosmetic. No harm, no foul.
- yakaman, 2015-10-05, 21:47
- Am I the only one who's actually happy about this? - Anton P. Nym (aka Steve), 2015-10-05, 21:47
- Am I the only one who's actually happy about this? -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 22:02
- Yes, yet a resounding no. - INSANEdrive, 2015-10-05, 22:08
- Am I the only one who's actually happy about this? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-10-05, 22:23
- Am I the only one who's actually happy about this? -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 22:30
- Am I the only one who's actually happy about this? - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-10-05, 22:39
- Am I the only one who's actually happy about this? -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 22:30
- Am I the only one who's actually happy about this? -
Harmanimus,
2015-10-05, 22:48
- Indeed.
- Ragashingo, 2015-10-05, 22:48
- Am I the only one who's actually happy about this? -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 22:49
- Am I the only one who's actually happy about this? - Ragashingo, 2015-10-05, 22:53
- Am I the only one who's actually happy about this? - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-10-05, 22:55
- Indeed.
- Hoping We Can Preview 'Em First. - Morpheus, 2015-10-05, 23:32
- Am I the only one who's actually happy about this? - CommandrCleavage, 2015-10-06, 10:33
- Is new currency a running joke inside Bungie at this point?
- uberfoop, 2015-10-05, 21:26
- I certainly hope so! :p
- Ragashingo, 2015-10-05, 21:36
- I certainly hope so! :p
- Can we trade Silver for those darn flakes? :p -
Ragashingo,
2015-10-05, 21:30
- No pay to win, even in joke form, plz. :P
- Kahzgul, 2015-10-05, 23:27
- No pay to win, even in joke form, plz. :P
- Tess returns to the tower -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 21:36
- Tess returns to the tower -
Korny,
2015-10-05, 21:39
- Tess returns to the tower -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 21:51
- Tess returns to the tower -
Revenant1988,
2015-10-05, 22:29
- Tess returns to the tower -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 22:31
- The struggle is real.
- INSANEdrive, 2015-10-05, 22:37
- The struggle is real.
- Tess returns to the tower -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 22:31
- Tess returns to the tower -
Revenant1988,
2015-10-05, 22:29
- Tess returns to the tower -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 21:51
- Tess returns to the tower -
Korny,
2015-10-05, 21:39
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
Korny,
2015-10-05, 21:36
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
slycrel,
2015-10-05, 21:59
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-05, 22:06
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
slycrel,
2015-10-05, 22:19
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-05, 22:26
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
slycrel,
2015-10-06, 01:06
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
Ragashingo,
2015-10-06, 01:15
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. - slycrel, 2015-10-06, 01:37
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-06, 01:43
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
slycrel,
2015-10-06, 02:03
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. - cheapLEY, 2015-10-06, 02:16
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
slycrel,
2015-10-06, 02:03
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
Ragashingo,
2015-10-06, 01:15
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
slycrel,
2015-10-06, 01:06
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-05, 22:26
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
slycrel,
2015-10-05, 22:19
- I wish I was this eloquent
- someotherguy, 2015-10-06, 01:11
- Flattery will get you nowhere! ;)
- slycrel, 2015-10-06, 01:12
- Flattery will get you nowhere! ;)
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-05, 22:06
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
someotherguy,
2015-10-05, 22:42
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
Ragashingo,
2015-10-05, 22:59
- Yes -
someotherguy,
2015-10-06, 00:08
- Yes -
Ragashingo,
2015-10-06, 01:30
- Yes -
someotherguy,
2015-10-06, 01:33
- Yeah, I'm cautious - kidtsunami, 2015-10-06, 12:11
- Yes -
someotherguy,
2015-10-06, 01:33
- Yes -
Ragashingo,
2015-10-06, 01:30
- Yes -
someotherguy,
2015-10-06, 00:08
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
Korny,
2015-10-05, 23:09
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. - Cody Miller, 2015-10-06, 00:05
- I don't really know what you're saying - someotherguy, 2015-10-06, 00:35
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
Harmanimus,
2015-10-05, 23:12
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-06, 00:07
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. - Harmanimus, 2015-10-06, 00:51
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. - Korny, 2015-10-06, 04:52
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-06, 00:07
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
Ragashingo,
2015-10-05, 22:59
- Roommate Wanted: Tower Apartment - Kuga, 2015-10-05, 22:51
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
slycrel,
2015-10-05, 21:59
- cant wait for the PlayStation exclusive micro-transactions -
unoudid,
2015-10-05, 21:39
- I'm almost afraid to ask... Is that even a thing?
- INSANEdrive, 2015-10-05, 21:44
- coming soon? But not currently.
- unoudid, 2015-10-05, 21:47
- coming soon? But not currently.
- I'm almost afraid to ask... Is that even a thing?
- Hey Deej, might I suggest... - Korny, 2015-10-05, 21:57
- I wondered why we had up to 10 emotes but only got 1.
- slycrel, 2015-10-05, 22:00
- Rev don't care.
- Revenant1988, 2015-10-05, 22:32
- And just like that, the wild ride is over. -
car15,
2015-10-05, 22:56
- And just like that, the wild ride is over. - Korny, 2015-10-05, 23:11
- And just like that, the wild ride is over. -
petetheduck,
2015-10-05, 23:11
- And just like that, the wild ride is over. - car15, 2015-10-06, 00:38
- And just like that, the wild ride is over. - bluerunner, 2015-10-05, 23:18
- You must be Michael Jordan... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-10-05, 23:23
- You must be Michael Jordan... -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-06, 00:15
- See? The comparison works on so many levels ;p
- CruelLEGACEY, 2015-10-06, 00:27
- See? The comparison works on so many levels ;p
- You must be Michael Jordan... -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-06, 00:15
- Where AM I?!.... -
Mid7night,
2015-10-06, 00:16
- Where AM I?!.... - petetheduck, 2015-10-06, 00:18
- Nuke the thread from (Dead) orbit. - LostSpartan, 2015-10-06, 01:26
- Really? -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-06, 01:52
- He's Got A Point. - Morpheus, 2015-10-06, 05:07
- XKCD forever.... -
slycrel,
2015-10-06, 12:09
- Ha, those were my exact words. XKCD <3
- someotherguy, 2015-10-06, 13:00
- Ha, those were my exact words. XKCD <3
- +1
- TheeChaos, 2015-10-06, 12:41
- Petition to call it the Eververse Dancing and Acting Company - Dan de Board, 2015-10-06, 11:07
- Thank god! A new currency! -
Funkmon,
2015-10-05, 20:38