
On Entitlement (Destiny)
I would like to start by stating that I have no personal recourse against you here, or that I was implying you are actively entitled, simply that your post read that way.
In the context of the post I was responding to, you ask, with a rather strong pinch of sarcasm: > Gosh, how could people possibly have a problem with paying extra on top of their minimum $60 game?
And this here:
Don't act like I'm some "entitled gamer" whinging 'cause I want free stuff. Microtransactions in paid games are abhorrent. They mean resources that could be used elsewhere being wasted on paid content. Or they mean content that should be included in the game being portioned up and sold separately. Either way they cheapen the art of the game.
My comment has nothing to do with you or your opinions. Simply the combinations of words you chose to express in that post reek of it. The first quote reads to me like an indication that it is irrational to pay for additional content. If you meant something else than that, perhaps you could rephrase your meaning and we can clear up that mess?
And the statement that micro-transaction are to be abhorred because in contexts where the core game has a price tag says you are stating one of two suggestions: a paid game should not have additional content releases or those releases should be free of charge. You follow this by stating that resources are being wasted that could be used elsewhere, explicitly stating they are being wasted on paid content. All content that is not provided per gratis is paid content. And the part wherein I hold the most beeves - you imply they are withholding content from the core $60 dollar release for subsequent separate sale.
You then state that either option cheapens the art form. Honestly, you've got two "additional content should be part of the $60 pricetag" bits and a "additional content shouldn't be made unless it is free to consume" bit. The implication workers shouldn't be paid for their work cheapens the art form more than charging for additional content does, regardless of the form.
You are stating within your post those things that imply you feel that your initial purchase merits access to content produced outside of the scope of your purchase, and that I why I said the post did a fine enough job painting your views as that of entitlement. If you feel differently than that, give me another go with some more articulation to your idea that doesn't read like a demand for free content and I'm all ears.
And I agree Gamers are entitled to utilize the license for the game that they purchased, but they are not entitled to any content produced subsequent to the game going to certification (the content covered by that license) or any additional benefits provided therein. Any work done beyond functionality (i.e., making the game work) that the developer does per gratis is on the good graces of the developer, but even then the player is not entitled to it by the consumer agreements they have made. It is an added perk when service providers do things free of charge, but they are not obligated. Maybe if you'd rather Bungie charge a subscription fee in line with other subscription based models instead of a DLC/Micro model to support a living game world?
Honestly, Bungie is providing an optional, additional service at what is likely a nominal charge. And again, if that was not your intent to imply, please give me another shot with a better articulation of terms to your proper meaning. But you want to say that,
Bungie are charging people real money for cosmetics in a game you've already paid for.
And want me to somehow commiserate that additional content production, regardless of your consideration of its validity as art, has a price tag attached, then it wasn't me, but some other do who looked just like me.
Complete thread:
- Tess returns to the tower -
CyberKN,
2015-10-05, 20:37
- Thank god! A new currency! -
Funkmon,
2015-10-05, 20:38
- Thank god! A new currency! -
red robber,
2015-10-05, 20:41
- Everything makes Cody quit the game. -
Funkmon,
2015-10-05, 20:42
- Sounds pretty serious to me. -
red robber,
2015-10-05, 20:47
- ----Line in the sand---- -
INSANEdrive,
2015-10-05, 21:00
- Also... - INSANEdrive, 2015-10-05, 21:08
- Sounds pretty serious to me. -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 21:47
- Sounds pretty serious to me. -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-05, 21:54
- Sounds pretty serious to me. - Cody Miller, 2015-10-05, 21:56
- Sounds pretty serious to me. -
Ragashingo,
2015-10-05, 22:40
- Sounds pretty serious to me. -
petetheduck,
2015-10-05, 23:19
- Sounds pretty serious to me. -
Ragashingo,
2015-10-05, 23:41
- Sounds pretty serious to me. -
petetheduck,
2015-10-05, 23:50
- Sounds pretty serious to me. -
Ragashingo,
2015-10-06, 01:02
- Sounds pretty serious to me. -
Avateur,
2015-10-06, 01:17
- Sounds pretty serious to me. - cheapLEY, 2015-10-06, 01:21
- Sounds pretty serious to me. -
Avateur,
2015-10-06, 01:17
- Sounds pretty serious to me. -
Ragashingo,
2015-10-06, 01:02
- Sounds pretty serious to me. -
petetheduck,
2015-10-05, 23:50
- Sounds pretty serious to me. -
Ragashingo,
2015-10-05, 23:41
- Sounds pretty serious to me. -
petetheduck,
2015-10-05, 23:19
- Sounds pretty serious to me. -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-05, 21:54
- Sounds pretty serious to me. - Funkmon, 2015-10-05, 21:58
- Sounds pretty serious to me. - Cody Miller, 2015-10-07, 18:00
- ----Line in the sand---- -
INSANEdrive,
2015-10-05, 21:00
- Sounds pretty serious to me. -
red robber,
2015-10-05, 20:47
- Everything makes Cody quit the game. -
Funkmon,
2015-10-05, 20:42
- Thank god! A new currency! -
red robber,
2015-10-05, 20:41
- Tess returns to the tower -
petetheduck,
2015-10-05, 21:01
- Agreed
- INSANEdrive, 2015-10-05, 21:01
- Kotaku says this means free missions, DLC -
petetheduck,
2015-10-05, 21:16
- Did see. - INSANEdrive, 2015-10-05, 21:23
- Everyone should read ^this^. Could be GREAT news.
- CruelLEGACEY, 2015-10-05, 21:23
- Kotaku says this means free missions, DLC -
car15,
2015-10-05, 23:01
- Microtransactions meant free DLC for Mass Effect 3 - Kahzgul, 2015-10-05, 23:13
- Kotaku says this means free missions, DLC -
petetheduck,
2015-10-05, 21:16
- Tess returns to the tower - kanbo, 2015-10-05, 21:06
- Agreed
- Really Bungie? F***ing really? -
someotherguy,
2015-10-05, 21:04
- Really someotherguy? F***ing really? -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-05, 21:31
- Really someotherguy? F***ing really? -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 21:55
- Really someotherguy? F***ing really? -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-05, 22:01
- Really someotherguy? F***ing really? - Funkmon, 2015-10-05, 22:03
- 100% Conjecture... -
Korny,
2015-10-05, 22:11
- 100% Conjecture... -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 22:15
- 100% Conjecture... - Korny, 2015-10-05, 22:33
- 100% Conjecture... - Kahzgul, 2015-10-05, 23:22
- 100% Conjecture... -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 22:15
- Really someotherguy? F***ing really? - Ragashingo, 2015-10-05, 22:44
- Really someotherguy? F***ing really? -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-05, 22:01
- Really cheapLEY? F***ing really? -
someotherguy,
2015-10-05, 22:26
- Really cheapLEY? F***ing really? -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-05, 22:37
- Really cheapLEY? F***ing really? - someotherguy, 2015-10-05, 23:35
- Really cheapLEY? F***ing really? -
Harmanimus,
2015-10-05, 23:30
- Thank you. -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-05, 23:35
- What is with you people?! -
someotherguy,
2015-10-05, 23:51
- What is with you people?! -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 23:59
- What is with you people?! -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-10-06, 00:05
- What is with you people?! -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-06, 00:11
- What is with you people?! - someotherguy, 2015-10-06, 00:15
- What is with you people?! - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-10-06, 00:23
- What is with you people?! - Harmanimus, 2015-10-06, 00:40
- But... but... where are the numbers? - kidtsunami, 2015-10-06, 12:04
- What is with you people?! -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-06, 00:11
- What is with you people?! -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-10-06, 00:05
- What is with you people?! -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-10-06, 00:11
- I knew this was coming - someotherguy, 2015-10-06, 00:12
- What is with you people?! -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-06, 00:12
- What is with you people?! -
someotherguy,
2015-10-06, 00:22
- What is with you people?! -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-06, 01:21
- Fair enough -
someotherguy,
2015-10-06, 01:23
- Fair enough - cheapLEY, 2015-10-06, 01:33
- Fair enough -
someotherguy,
2015-10-06, 01:23
- What is with you people?! -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-06, 01:21
- What is with you people?! -
someotherguy,
2015-10-06, 00:22
- What is with you people?! -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 23:59
- What is with you people?! -
someotherguy,
2015-10-05, 23:51
- On Entitlement -
someotherguy,
2015-10-05, 23:49
- On Entitlement -
Harmanimus,
2015-10-06, 00:28
- Almost had me -
someotherguy,
2015-10-06, 01:01
- Almost had me -
Harmanimus,
2015-10-06, 04:30
- Words are much better than emotes - Pyromancy, 2015-10-06, 10:04
- Almost had me - someotherguy, 2015-10-06, 10:51
- Almost had me -
Harmanimus,
2015-10-06, 04:30
- Almost had me -
someotherguy,
2015-10-06, 01:01
- On Entitlement -
Harmanimus,
2015-10-06, 00:28
- Thank you. -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-05, 23:35
- Really cheapLEY? F***ing really? -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-05, 22:37
- Really someotherguy? F***ing really? -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 21:55
- Really someotherguy? F***ing really? -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-05, 21:31
- >Sigh<
- dogcow, 2015-10-05, 21:06
- Am I the only one who's actually happy about this? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-10-05, 21:16
- Am I the only one who's actually happy about this? - dogcow, 2015-10-05, 21:19
- Am I the only one who's actually happy about this? -
Leviathan,
2015-10-05, 21:20
- Wrong, actually... -
Korny,
2015-10-05, 21:25
- Wrong, actually... -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 22:06
- Wrong, actually... - cheapLEY, 2015-10-05, 22:07
- But you only have conjecture - kidtsunami, 2015-10-05, 22:23
- I fully disagree -
Kahzgul,
2015-10-05, 23:26
- I fully disagree - Cody Miller, 2015-10-06, 00:13
- Wrong, actually... -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 22:06
- Wrong, actually... -
Korny,
2015-10-05, 21:25
- Nah I'm in the same boat as you. - LostSpartan, 2015-10-05, 21:22
- *Raises hand*
- Ragashingo, 2015-10-05, 21:25
- Nope, there are a lot of us that like it.
- Xenos, 2015-10-05, 21:30
- No, not at all. - cheapLEY, 2015-10-05, 21:33
- Agreed. Cosmetic is cosmetic. No harm, no foul.
- yakaman, 2015-10-05, 21:47
- Am I the only one who's actually happy about this? - Anton P. Nym (aka Steve), 2015-10-05, 21:47
- Am I the only one who's actually happy about this? -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 22:02
- Yes, yet a resounding no. - INSANEdrive, 2015-10-05, 22:08
- Am I the only one who's actually happy about this? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-10-05, 22:23
- Am I the only one who's actually happy about this? -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 22:30
- Am I the only one who's actually happy about this? - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-10-05, 22:39
- Am I the only one who's actually happy about this? -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 22:30
- Am I the only one who's actually happy about this? -
Harmanimus,
2015-10-05, 22:48
- Indeed.
- Ragashingo, 2015-10-05, 22:48
- Am I the only one who's actually happy about this? -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 22:49
- Am I the only one who's actually happy about this? - Ragashingo, 2015-10-05, 22:53
- Am I the only one who's actually happy about this? - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-10-05, 22:55
- Indeed.
- Hoping We Can Preview 'Em First. - Morpheus, 2015-10-05, 23:32
- Am I the only one who's actually happy about this? - CommandrCleavage, 2015-10-06, 10:33
- Is new currency a running joke inside Bungie at this point?
- uberfoop, 2015-10-05, 21:26
- I certainly hope so! :p
- Ragashingo, 2015-10-05, 21:36
- I certainly hope so! :p
- Can we trade Silver for those darn flakes? :p -
Ragashingo,
2015-10-05, 21:30
- No pay to win, even in joke form, plz. :P
- Kahzgul, 2015-10-05, 23:27
- No pay to win, even in joke form, plz. :P
- Tess returns to the tower -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 21:36
- Tess returns to the tower -
Korny,
2015-10-05, 21:39
- Tess returns to the tower -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 21:51
- Tess returns to the tower -
Revenant1988,
2015-10-05, 22:29
- Tess returns to the tower -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 22:31
- The struggle is real.
- INSANEdrive, 2015-10-05, 22:37
- The struggle is real.
- Tess returns to the tower -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 22:31
- Tess returns to the tower -
Revenant1988,
2015-10-05, 22:29
- Tess returns to the tower -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-05, 21:51
- Tess returns to the tower -
Korny,
2015-10-05, 21:39
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
Korny,
2015-10-05, 21:36
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
slycrel,
2015-10-05, 21:59
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-05, 22:06
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
slycrel,
2015-10-05, 22:19
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-05, 22:26
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
slycrel,
2015-10-06, 01:06
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
Ragashingo,
2015-10-06, 01:15
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. - slycrel, 2015-10-06, 01:37
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-06, 01:43
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
slycrel,
2015-10-06, 02:03
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. - cheapLEY, 2015-10-06, 02:16
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
slycrel,
2015-10-06, 02:03
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
Ragashingo,
2015-10-06, 01:15
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
slycrel,
2015-10-06, 01:06
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-05, 22:26
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
slycrel,
2015-10-05, 22:19
- I wish I was this eloquent
- someotherguy, 2015-10-06, 01:11
- Flattery will get you nowhere! ;)
- slycrel, 2015-10-06, 01:12
- Flattery will get you nowhere! ;)
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-05, 22:06
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
someotherguy,
2015-10-05, 22:42
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
Ragashingo,
2015-10-05, 22:59
- Yes -
someotherguy,
2015-10-06, 00:08
- Yes -
Ragashingo,
2015-10-06, 01:30
- Yes -
someotherguy,
2015-10-06, 01:33
- Yeah, I'm cautious - kidtsunami, 2015-10-06, 12:11
- Yes -
someotherguy,
2015-10-06, 01:33
- Yes -
Ragashingo,
2015-10-06, 01:30
- Yes -
someotherguy,
2015-10-06, 00:08
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
Korny,
2015-10-05, 23:09
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. - Cody Miller, 2015-10-06, 00:05
- I don't really know what you're saying - someotherguy, 2015-10-06, 00:35
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
Harmanimus,
2015-10-05, 23:12
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-06, 00:07
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. - Harmanimus, 2015-10-06, 00:51
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. - Korny, 2015-10-06, 04:52
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-06, 00:07
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
Ragashingo,
2015-10-05, 22:59
- Roommate Wanted: Tower Apartment - Kuga, 2015-10-05, 22:51
- This is 100% a fantastic thing. -
slycrel,
2015-10-05, 21:59
- cant wait for the PlayStation exclusive micro-transactions -
unoudid,
2015-10-05, 21:39
- I'm almost afraid to ask... Is that even a thing?
- INSANEdrive, 2015-10-05, 21:44
- coming soon? But not currently.
- unoudid, 2015-10-05, 21:47
- coming soon? But not currently.
- I'm almost afraid to ask... Is that even a thing?
- Hey Deej, might I suggest... - Korny, 2015-10-05, 21:57
- I wondered why we had up to 10 emotes but only got 1.
- slycrel, 2015-10-05, 22:00
- Rev don't care.
- Revenant1988, 2015-10-05, 22:32
- And just like that, the wild ride is over. -
car15,
2015-10-05, 22:56
- And just like that, the wild ride is over. - Korny, 2015-10-05, 23:11
- And just like that, the wild ride is over. -
petetheduck,
2015-10-05, 23:11
- And just like that, the wild ride is over. - car15, 2015-10-06, 00:38
- And just like that, the wild ride is over. - bluerunner, 2015-10-05, 23:18
- You must be Michael Jordan... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-10-05, 23:23
- You must be Michael Jordan... -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-06, 00:15
- See? The comparison works on so many levels ;p
- CruelLEGACEY, 2015-10-06, 00:27
- See? The comparison works on so many levels ;p
- You must be Michael Jordan... -
Cody Miller,
2015-10-06, 00:15
- Where AM I?!.... -
Mid7night,
2015-10-06, 00:16
- Where AM I?!.... - petetheduck, 2015-10-06, 00:18
- Nuke the thread from (Dead) orbit. - LostSpartan, 2015-10-06, 01:26
- Really? -
cheapLEY,
2015-10-06, 01:52
- He's Got A Point. - Morpheus, 2015-10-06, 05:07
- XKCD forever.... -
slycrel,
2015-10-06, 12:09
- Ha, those were my exact words. XKCD <3
- someotherguy, 2015-10-06, 13:00
- Ha, those were my exact words. XKCD <3
- +1
- TheeChaos, 2015-10-06, 12:41
- Petition to call it the Eververse Dancing and Acting Company - Dan de Board, 2015-10-06, 11:07
- Thank god! A new currency! -
Funkmon,
2015-10-05, 20:38