I actually agree with all of that. (Destiny)

by Claude Errera , Friday, October 30, 2015, 21:14 (3407 days ago) @ Kahzgul

Sorry, I honestly wasn't sure if you were trolling me or not. I'm still not sure.

It really sounds like you want all the shinies but don't want to actually play the game, which is how most of the shinies are unlocked. You say you're out of quests, but there is so much more to do in the game that you're ignoring. The Gunsmith, for example, has 5 guns each week which you can field test for rep. Why aren't you doing that? Is it literally because there's not a quest telling you that you have to?

I'll back up. Here's my real problem with what you're saying: You want the guns *now* but without doing research about how to get them. You are ignoring the fact that, in most of these situations, you would eventually have gotten the guns by accident, just through casual play or in the pursuit of other objectives. As you, yourself, said - you're being lazy.

Look at Boolean Gemini. You need rank 3 with the Queen to get it. Even if you don't know that and the game never tells you that, the game makes it really clear that you also need to be rank 3 to get that sweet spaceship that Petra Venj is selling. There's an incentive to reach rank 3. There are bounties for Petra that you can do to get that rank. Clear path with carrot at the end. And oh wow you get an exotic too?! Bonus.

No research is needed. At all. I don't feel that you have any right to complain that you deserve the rewards without playing the game first, nor is it fair to complain that you needed to do research to get the gun when, in fact, all you needed to do was play the game for the rewards it did show you.

Your stance seems to be "I haven't played the game much at all but I should have all the guns" and that feels really hypocritical to me.

Wow, you read a lot into his posts that I'm not seeing.

Instead of seeing it as that laziness-inspired last line of your post, how about "wow, there are so many different things to do that are undocumented - wouldn't it be nice if something told me which quests end at Exotics and which ones end at 220 Ghosts without my having to spend a week on the internet, researching?"

I had no clue at all that ranking up with the Gunsmith was worth doing until someone told me it was. I'd been trained, over the course of a year, by Bungie themselves, that ranking up a vendor got me stuff I didn't really want (vendor-rolled weapons in year 1 were generally crap compared to what I was getting in the field; I can't remember a SINGLE GUN I used for any length of time that I got from a vendor). Now, TTK comes along, and completely changes that paradigm... but doesn't really tell me about it. (Doing quests for the Vanguard still gets me low-light-leveled stuff - I shard 95% of it.) How hard would it be for them to add, say, a line to one of the bot janitors to the effect of "hey, have you visited the gunsmith recently? He's got some good stuff these days!"