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They showed like 10 seconds of it. I'm pretty sure they did that for King's Fall. They didn't show the solution to anything either.

I remember the discussion coming up during the Halo 2 and Halo 3 pre-launch days, and I used to take a pretty hardline stance that if the developer is willing to show and talk about it, it's not a spoiler.

This shows that I was very definitely wrong. I haven't (and won't) watch the ViDoc, so I can't honestly say how egregious is is, but it seems very not cool.

It was a really well done Vidoc, but gave too much away:

• They explain the strike and a really cool mechanic of the boss.
  
• They explain and SHOW multiple sections of the Raid.
  
• They show all* the end game gear.

*it might not be all, but unless the challenge mode armor is way different, I know (and dislike) what it looks like...

There's nothing about a boss, or really any other sections of the raid (kind of depends how you divide it), or where specifically you go before or after that one section. There's a scene with a familiar door afterwards that seems leading, but that doesn't tell you much, and really it would surprising if you didn't encounter something like that given the nature of the threat.

1. They totally talk about the Strike boss and final encounter.
2. They talk about one raid section on top of the wall and talk about theme (which more or less ok with me) show clips of: inside the wall, on top of the wall, and a brief shot once you've jumped off (this last one didn't matter much except that that told/showed us that you have to jump).
3. We have certain expectations from the Raid, and one of KF biggest critisms was it's length. If they've listened to that feedback we might expect WotM to be shorter. So even if what they do show us isnt a huge reveal/surprise, the more we see of it, the less thats new when we play it.

Damn. And here I was worried waiting a week or two to do the raid would make it hard to stay blind. Here you and Cyber got spoiled even before release…

To me, staying blind is more important than not having to grind or rush. I really really hope I don't have to do the raid right away with other people.

Outside of Private matches existing and the strike mechanics, I learned nothing in this ViDoc that I didn't already know.

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It's not good enough to discuss Destiny? You just had to continue this thing where people try and piss other people off for no reason, huh?

It's not like we don't have spoiler tags. It's not like we haven't gone round and round about spoilers recently. Doesn't even matter if everyone knows about Harry Potter and The Sixth Sense, you didn't have to do that... but being a jerk was apparently more important to you than respecting others' opinions.

I used my post to be somewhat dismissive of the eruption that occurred at Bungie daring to show their own game in their own ViDoc and, for all we know, not spoiling shit about the Raid or how it's going to play or what else we're missing from what was shown. I also showed respect by not commenting further on what exactly was shown or describing it in any way. So I used two of the most well known and made fun of and obvious spoilers in my post as a tool.

So you were just in the wrong place at the wrong time? You didn't mean to be associated with the larger debate about trying to piss people off by randomly posting spoilers? Fair enough.

Save your false and disingenuous outrage, or find something real to get upset about. Your reaction to bluerunner's post says everything about your little show of a reply to me. Much like with a Cody or a petetheduck, you gotta feign that outrage or come at someone you don't particularly like. You're boring. Your false rage, informed by that reply to bluerunner, only leaves this yawn and your favorite thing ever of all time:

If you hadn't noticed, Funkmon decided to meltdown today and he really made multiple people angry. Is it any surprises that you picked up some flack when you, intentionally or not, did much the same thing with spoilers as he was doing? And in the very same thread? Consider that rather than demonstrating false and disingenuous outrage about the same topic that got someone else banned, I just happen to be the first person to address you with a point of view that I and others had already shared with (at least) two others in the last couple of days.

I'm gonna take you at your word that you were reacting to the posts about Bungie spoiling things and not to the wider debate about spoilers. So take me at mine: I don't feign things. Aside from the occasional step too far, I mean and believe in what I say. That I end up criticizing the same people more often than others has much more to do with them espousing the same ideas that I strongly disagree with over long periods of time and far less to do with any personal dislike.

As for the reply to bluerunner... I was far more unhappy with his post than yours and I really let him have it. But then I edited it (both title and content) to what you see now about twenty minutes later. Check the time stamps. It's hardly representative of false outrage. More like restraint after the fact... That and I got Luke's quote wrong. :(

It's not good enough to discuss Destiny? You just had to continue this thing where people try and piss other people off for no reason, huh?

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Save your false and disingenuous outrage, or find something real to get upset about. Your reaction to bluerunner's post says everything about your little show of a reply to me. Much like with a Cody or a petetheduck, you gotta feign that outrage or come at someone you don't particularly like. You're boring. Your false rage, informed by that reply to bluerunner, only leaves this yawn and your favorite thing ever of all time:

Well how about me then? I can't muster up rage at your little antics nor do I want to, but you are really annoying. You know that, and you know how to avoid it, but not only do you refuse, you sometimes double down on it. You're also disappointing, because you engage in this despite seeming like a pretty good person (unlike some other people I could name that do or did hang around this site that will intentionally piss people off).

I've stayed out of this discussion, for the most part, but this floored me.

I want to talk too, and I deeply resent being obliged to put things in spoiler tags.

This makes you either a first-class dick or the laziest person I've ever met. Really.

Adding spoiler tags is literally a 2-second operation: select your text, hit the 'spoiler' button. You deeply resent this?

Dude, I deeply resent being forced to vote for HIllary Clinton in order to do my part to keep Trump out of the White House. Pressing a button on a gaming forum isn't even in the same universe of annoyance.

Talk all you want. You don't even have to spend time figuring out what part of your post might be considered spoilers, if you don't want to - just select the whole damn thing. How fucking hard is that? (I think that would be stupid, personally, but I'm looking for ways to help you stomach the serious effort of hitting that button without causing unnecessary strife for others.)

Really - your post actually made me angry. That's the first time in a really long time, reading this forum. Maybe I'm having a bad day.

I want to talk too, and I deeply resent being obliged to put things in spoiler tags.

EDIT: The resentment comes about because society has determined that the people who made the effort and watched a show when it aired have the burden of not talking about it until everyone else has seen it. Yeah, maybe you're out of town and can't get HBO. Tough shit, IMO. Avoid it if you can, but don't be surprised nor angry if you come across references to the story elsewhere. I applaud everyone who doesn't watch these informational videos, really, and also those who don't go on Twitter until they can get home and watch the show on their VCR. That's great. I just don't understand why they get mad as US for discussing something that's already happened just because they haven't found the time in their life to watch it.

noun
the showing of politeness in one's attitude and behavior toward others.

It's not that people get mad that you're discussing it, go ahead & discuss it, just show a little courtesy. If anything they're mad that your being, according to what society has deemed, discourteous. Really, it's easy, don't blab about it in their face, talk about it somewhere else, or give them a chance to leave, or lower your voice, put *SP* in the subject line, or use the "spoiler" button. Seriously, it's not difficult, you're not being silenced, just being asked to be courteous.

So, you're taking out your work frustrations on us? That's not cool. The thing is, there's probably people here who would be happy to talk with you about any subject. Just make a topic and have at it. All we're asking is you (and others) stop trying to intentionally anger people. I don't actually care about spoilers. If I like a book or tv show or movie I'm going to watch it once unspoiled and dozens of times knowing what happens. Being up tight just doesn't make numerical sense to me.

But acting out against everyone here when it's easier not to and when you have the tools to say exactly what you want at any time without ticking off someone else? Come on, man. Just... come on... :(

I truly don't get why people do this. It's mean-spirited and disrespectful.

It's a reaction to feeling as if we're being silenced whenever we want to discuss anything with a story. I hadn't had a water cooler chat about Black Sails or any of those high drama shows airing recently because someone says "SPOILERS" in the physics room, for ages. This year I got tired of it and I just do it anyway, plus usually throw in the ole Kylo Ren kills Han. I want to talk too, and I deeply resent being obliged to put things in spoiler tags.

It's s pain and sometimes seems silly but talking to hundreds of people at once is a power not that many people had 25 years ago, and with power comes responsibility.

About spoilers, I get that it’s not a big deal. I get that studies show that people actually enjoy stories more when they know what’s going to happen. (It’s probably one reason why I enjoyed Stranger Things so much—I felt like I knew what was going to happen in the next minute throughout that show.) All that said, staying unspoiled about stories in popular culture is harder than it’s ever been. And even though the delight that comes from surprise is one of the lesser pleasures of good storytelling, that experience DOES have value, and I think it’s rarer than ever to get that experience if, say, you’re active on the internet. And that’s too bad. In fact, to me, being genuinely delighted by a surprise in a story is so rare I value it more than ever. I used to argue with one of my roommates who avoided trailers or really knowing anything about a movie before he saw it. “It’s not where you go but how you get there,” I’d say. i get that argument. Now I lean in his direction. I want the surprise the first time, and then if the story's decent, I’ll get the nuances that knowledge brings the second and third time. With raids, I like going into an experience that feels epic because I don’t know what sights I might see, and I like not knowing what I’m seeing at first, and having to figure out what I’m seeing. I like having my brain engaged that way, and I like being with others who are engaged in the same way and the collective reasoning that happens because no one knows anything going in.

Yeah, saying things like "the missing kid was to lure someone to the island for a sacrifice," is disrespectful and mean-spirited, but that's why people do this. The catharsis is great, even though I know it angers people I like, and also Kermit.

Heh. What a jerk. We'll always have fountain pens.