I don't get you people, at all. Maybe Thorn isn't the issue. (Destiny)

by Revenant1988 , How do I forum?, Wednesday, May 27, 2015, 16:55 (3704 days ago) @ someotherguy

It completely works against the existing RoF/Impact dynamic by making a weapon with an abnormally high DpS. That would be okay if Bungie hadn't based their entire weapon system on RoF/Impact archetypes, but having a gun that literally does more damage in a shorter time than any similar gun is nonsense.

Besides which, the DoT means that even if you outperform a Thorn user (land 4 hits vs their 3 with the same archetype or get more headshots with a slower, stronger one) and still only kil trade. That's nonsense.

If I run into a Thorn user with another HC and hit them in the head 3 times but they hit me in the body 3 times, I should win that engagement. But I don't. When a gun nullifies skill gap, it's OP.

I'm starting to think ToO is the problem. Not Thorn.

It doesn't nullify anything, other than your sense of calm in a match haha.

Lingering damage, is I believe 7 points for a few seconds. I don't recall off the top of my head if the damage stacks or not, I want to say it does but with a limit, and that might only apply to pvp or pve.

So what\where is the REAL problem about Thorn?

Is it OP in ToO?
IB?
Regular crucible?

Everywhere?

*Remember* just because you feel that everyone is using it, does not mean that it is overpowered (Mob rules and all that).

In regular crucible, if you try to tell me, that Thorn is OP with a straight face, I'll laugh at you. All the weapon damage\defense there is normalized. I have this mental picture painted of you all telling me that a Thorn user just steam rolls the opposition- it can't possibly.It's good for mopping up weak players, keeping someone suppressed, or postmortem bounties. You might as well be a janitor with it and it a mop, because it just cleans up others work.

NOW, if you want to argue with me that it is OP in ToO, I'm inclined to give you a little room, with a caveat: What the hell is the point of competitive MP in Destiny, if powers\perks\abilities benefits aren't enabled?

Trials of Osiris is broken, and unfair ; Thorn is a symptom, not the problem.

• ToO is highly competitive
  
• Power advantages are enabled. This is a problem.
  
• This makes the competition "unfair" and some weapons more appealing than others, compared to vanilla crucible.
  
• There is no matchmaking- you must go in with a team.
  
• There is no separating 32s and higher levels. A good 32 will probably lose a FF to a mediocre 34.
  
• Thorn exacerbates the problem due to the nature of the gun, and the high stakes of ToO, leading to false cries for NERFS.

SOLUTION

Trials of Osiris needs to be [ELIMINATION + SKIRMISH]

Trials of Osiris needs to NOT be [ELIMINATION + IRON BANNER]

If it's Thorn today, it will be some other gun tomorrow. So it's not the weapons, it's the mode. Yep. I'm pretty sure now.

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To me, Thorn is a tool, best used in the right context.

Thorn is a gun that is designed to get in your head- to trick you into making a bad decision.

You get caught out in the open, doesn't matter what the weapon is- odds are you gon die.

You get shot by a player two levels above you, with power advantages enabled - you gon die. weapon doesn't matter.

In a high tension ToO match, the stakes are high, you're on edge, trying to win. You get hit with the poison and it makes you panic. THAT, is how it beats you. Well, if you are the same level that is :P