Maybe you suck at Crucible? (Destiny)

by Avateur , Thursday, May 28, 2015, 22:47 (3703 days ago) @ Revenant1988
edited by Avateur, Thursday, May 28, 2015, 23:04

Why you do this? You play this game, where you "agree" with me on something, and then attempt to belittle me. On point:

It's not black and white like you're trying to make it. I can both agree with you and disagree with you, and you can do the same with me. You're right on some stuff, and I'd say dead wrong on others.

And as for belittlement, what do you describe calling people in this thread crazy, dismissing plenty of what they say or think, and telling them that it's all in their heads?

Dude, you and I don't see eye to eye on anything, and I was "dead wrong" about the boltshot, eh?

Not in a million years.

343 did what 343 likes to do, which is try to please everyone, thus pleasing no one. So when the most vocal of complainers piss and moan that the BS needed to change, they did it to appease what player base they have left. For all I try to defend them with, they have a -terrible- habit of not doing what they say, and not saying what they mean. "14 day buy and play" comes to mind.

While we both know that in my mind 343 can do no right, and while I agree that they try to please everyone and manage to please no one, their weapon tuning, even the parts of it I disagree with and still think are wrong, was done in part because H4 had major weapon balancing problems in general. This included the DMR, which was the most overpowered weapon of them all. It got fixed, and in a good way! The Boltshot is included in the balance issues that were fixed, though I still feel that it wasn't enough.

It wasn't because the gun was broken, you doofus, if was to keep their crumbling population for crumbling further.

Oh. So what was Bungie's reasoning for buffing Hand Cannons while nerfing plenty of stuff with Auto Rifles? Let's see, there was an outcry, right? Because, truth be told objectively, Auto Rifles were unbalanced, right? And Pulse Rifles, Scout Rifles, and Hand Cannons all got buffed up, right?

And if more weapon tuning or buffs or nerfs come down the line later, and assuming they happen to target Thorn, The Last Word, Hawkmoon, and some other guns that quite clearly have a crazy edge, there's no way that would be because Bungie looked at the stats and made a balancing decision, right? It's all in our heads, we're all crazy, and the gametypes themselves are off, not the weapons.

"We heard your cries and agree, the boltshot is OP and needs to be tweaked!" really meant "Please don't stop playing our game! We'll do whatever you want! Just play!"

You're probably right on this one as far as motivation goes, but there's still a nifty fact in there: H4 weapons had balancing issues and, gasp, 343 actually fixed some while failing with others! Just like Bungie's weapon balancing fixes have, as I said originally up above, been a general problem. I feel like Bungie's working on finding that nice balance. They've already said that these weapon tweaks aren't the last ones. They're gathering data. We'll see what happens, right?

Thorn.

In a previous post you mention you haven't even used Thorn yourself... So how, exactly, is that supposed to make your points, uh...valid?

Oh, you get killed with it a lot? So that must make you qualified enough to say it needs to be nerfed. Riiiiiiiight.

Tell ya what, do the Thorn bounty, level the gun, and take it for a spin in Crucible.

RNG has to provide me with the Thorn bounty first. I'm sorry that it hasn't happened yet. I don't have a Mythoclast either. Sad times, right? Why so black and white again? Suddenly I have to have used Thorn to be able to speak about its ability? After saying that I actually like the gun, don't care if it doesn't get nerfed, but am willing to acknowledge that, yes, it is overpowered? You gotta read dude.

If you go on an undisputed, multiple game spanning, run of absolute destruction with it, I'll hear you out.

I do that with my Last Word just fine. And yes, it's overpowered. And no, I don't want it changed, I love the gun, and I love having it used against me and beating me.

But until you actually use the thing, I will hear none of your arguments, because they lack KEY input.

Illogical. I'm actually pretty damn good at Crucible and even Trials. I beat Thorn consistently and get beat by it. Not having used it doesn't preclude me from fully understanding how it works, how it kills me, or how it kills my teammates. It's called being good at the game, and shooters in general. But sure, go all black and white with it. Again, invalidate all other opinions. Peeps be crazy, it's all in dat head, and without actually using the thing (even if it's used against you), your thoughts don't exist lalalala. I guess the original poster, who said they haven't used Thorn since before the buff, also gets no say. Sad day. :(

I suggest that this is where you and I part ways, conversationally.

Historically, we see eye to eye on nothing.

We know how to push each others buttons.

Neither of us is going to sway the other.

Time to move along.

Oh, word. I'm down with that. Just remember, not everything is super black and white, one doesn't need to use a weapon to understand it or recognize how unbalanced it is (and they can do so while loving the weapon and hoping it doesn't change!), and crying about belittlement while actively calling many peoples crazy and telling them that stuff is in their heads is super funny and also super dismissive. But yes, moving along time!

End note: If Bungie nerfs Thorn or tweaks it or balances Hand Cannons in general based on statistically backed up feedback, I hope you remember this conversation. Additionally, if none of what I just said happens, I'll remember this conversation and think to myself, "Well damn, Revenant seems to have been right!"