
It's bad form, regardless of where you go on the tubes. (Destiny)
So where is that line drawn? Previously around here I talked about some guy named Batman (with some numbers or whatnot on the end of his gamertag) who was laggy as hell to the point he just kinda appeared (like Batman). Should I be banned from posting a factual video of lag? Should I be banned if I just talk about the lag? If yes for cheating why no for something that happens far more often and affects far more players? How about if I post a video of someone being a jerk and standing in front of me while I try to snipe? Should I be banned for that? Etc.
Basically, zero tolerance is dumb and assigning the worst motives to people, even in a debate, is too.
There's a certain lack of agency to just lagging versus intentionally cheating, and I think that's the point here. I've seen you lag, for instance, and I've seen myself lag as well. I don't blame people for lagging; if anything, I find it mildly entertaining; it's nobodies fault, for the most part, and it's something we all have to deal with from time to time because of the realities of online play.
Insinuating that someone is exploiting lag intentionally is a completely different matter. You probably wouldn't mind if I mentioned you had been lagging in a post-game write up here on the forum ("man, raga was lagging like a fiend last night"), but you'd no doubt feel very differently if I accused you of introducing that lag for your own advantage ("I swear raga can lag on demand *nudgenudgewinkwinksaynomore*"). I imagine you'd be especially upset if you simply had some lag, and I accused you of something you didn't do.
See the difference? (And of course, a disclaimer, no, you don't lag switch, these are just thought experiments)
Complete thread:
- Believe I was the victim of crucible cheaters. -
TheeChaos,
2015-05-29, 11:36
- Believe I was the victim of crucible cheaters. - petetheduck, 2015-05-29, 11:57
- Post the video here?
- Monochron, 2015-05-29, 12:14
- Don't.
- petetheduck, 2015-05-29, 12:23
- Stop.
- iconicbanana, 2015-05-29, 12:23
- Belieeeeving !
- Ragashingo, 2015-05-29, 12:25
- End this now.
- Funkmon, 2015-05-29, 12:27
- Hold on to that feeeeeeeling! -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-29, 12:28
- Streetlight people.
- INSANEdrive, 2015-05-29, 12:43
- ohhhh ohhhh oohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
- Schedonnardus, 2015-05-29, 13:29
- Don't.
- UnrealCh13f, 2015-05-29, 20:31
- Don't.
- ohhhh ohhhh oohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
- 10 yard penalty: Did not post actual time of lyrics... -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-29, 13:12
- LOL
- CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-29, 14:39
- LOL
- Streetlight people.
- End this now.
- Belieeeeving !
- Stop.
- Post the video here? -
TheeChaos,
2015-05-29, 13:27
- No, but seriously, don't post it here. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-29, 13:28
- No, but seriously, don't post it here. -
Monochron,
2015-05-29, 16:38
- It's bad form, regardless of where you go on the tubes. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-29, 16:54
- It's bad form, regardless of where you go on the tubes. -
Monochron,
2015-05-29, 17:10
- It's bad form, regardless of where you go on the tubes. -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-29, 17:37
- It would be fine if you were right. - iconicbanana, 2015-05-29, 17:54
- It's bad form, regardless of where you go on the tubes. -
petetheduck,
2015-05-29, 18:00
- It's bad form, regardless of where you go on the tubes. - Monochron, 2015-05-29, 18:36
- It's bad form, regardless of where you go on the tubes. -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-29, 18:43
- It's bad form, regardless of where you go on the tubes. -
petetheduck,
2015-05-29, 19:02
- It's bad form, regardless of where you go on the tubes. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-29, 19:04
- It's bad form, regardless of where you go on the tubes. -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-29, 19:49
- It's bad form, regardless of where you go on the tubes. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-29, 19:55
- It's bad form, regardless of where you go on the tubes. -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-29, 20:13
- It's been a long week. Let's hang this stuff up. - iconicbanana, 2015-05-29, 20:15
- It's bad form, regardless of where you go on the tubes. -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-29, 20:13
- It's bad form, regardless of where you go on the tubes. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-29, 19:55
- It's bad form, regardless of where you go on the tubes. -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-29, 19:49
- It's bad form, regardless of where you go on the tubes. -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-29, 19:22
- It's bad form, regardless of where you go on the tubes. -
petetheduck,
2015-05-29, 20:00
- It's bad form, regardless of where you go on the tubes. -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-29, 20:07
- It's bad form, regardless of where you go on the tubes. -
petetheduck,
2015-05-29, 20:10
- Thanks for making me out as a completely evil person. -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-29, 20:14
- Thanks for making me out as a completely evil person. -
petetheduck,
2015-05-29, 20:37
- Not to but in to the argument but.... - Monochron, 2015-05-29, 21:09
- Thanks for making me out as a completely evil person. -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-29, 21:19
- Thanks for making me out as a completely evil person. -
Kermit,
2015-05-29, 22:39
- Thanks for making me out as a completely evil person. -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-05-30, 12:35
- ^^^This - iconicbanana, 2015-05-30, 12:43
- Thanks for making me out as a completely evil person. -
Kermit,
2015-05-30, 15:33
- jest mai too sense - Miguel Chavez, 2015-05-30, 18:05
- Thanks for making me out as a completely evil person. -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-05-30, 12:35
- Thanks for making me out as a completely evil person. -
Kermit,
2015-05-29, 22:39
- Thanks for making me out as a completely evil person. -
petetheduck,
2015-05-29, 20:37
- Thanks for making me out as a completely evil person. -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-29, 20:14
- It's bad form, regardless of where you go on the tubes. -
petetheduck,
2015-05-29, 20:10
- It's bad form, regardless of where you go on the tubes. -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-29, 20:07
- It's bad form, regardless of where you go on the tubes. -
petetheduck,
2015-05-29, 20:00
- It's bad form, regardless of where you go on the tubes. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-29, 19:04
- It's bad form, regardless of where you go on the tubes. -
petetheduck,
2015-05-29, 19:02
- It's bad form, regardless of where you go on the tubes. -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-29, 17:37
- It's bad form, regardless of where you go on the tubes. -
Monochron,
2015-05-29, 17:10
- It's bad form, regardless of where you go on the tubes. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-29, 16:54
- No, but seriously, don't post it here. -
Monochron,
2015-05-29, 16:38
- No, but seriously, don't post it here. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-29, 13:28
- Don't.
- May I ask why you think that? - Spec ops Grunt, 2015-05-30, 15:49