
Weapon Types (Destiny)
There's always a way, Cody.
When I worked on Call of Duty: Big Red One, we were balancing PvP and had a lot of trouble with the BAR. The weapon designer insisted (and rightly so, I think), that all of the weapon stats be based on reality, and the BAR was simply one of the best weapons in the allied arsenal. The reason that we didn't just give one to every soldier was that they were expensive and took a while to make, whereas the standard M1 was relatively cheap and easy to mass produce. But in a video game where you pick your weapon, cost like that wasn't a system that we wanted to build into the game. So we were stuck with a gun that was more accurate and did more damage than every other gun we had, by a pretty noticeable margin.
To fix the gun, we had to think outside the box. Instead of modifying the weapon's stats, we modified the player's stats while they were using that weapon. We slowed down their turning speed, slowed down ADS, and made them walk more slowly. Suddenly the weapon was fair.
In a similar way, we were able to increase the effectiveness of underpowered weapons by making the player move much more quickly while using those guns.
So for the sidearms, they could be made more effective by giving the player a speed boost while equipped, or a health boost on hit, or maybe giving the bullets a disorient effect on hit or something. There are lots of ways to buff the weapon for PvP without strictly affecting the damage output or unbalancing PvE. To say they haven't got the feel quite right yet is fair, but to say it can't be done... I disagree.
Edit: I just thought of a way that you could buff sidearms without tweaking anything weird. Give them infinite clips / no reload. The lack of a one shot kill is then made up for by the long and continuous damage output without any downtime for reloads.
Complete thread:
- Dreg's Promise -
Ragashingo,
2015-08-17, 03:39
- 8.5/10 good review would read again
- Raflection, 2015-08-17, 03:43
- Sounds interesting, and gives me something to consider. -
cheapLEY,
2015-08-17, 12:29
- Sounds interesting, and gives me something to consider. -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-08-17, 12:37
- One issue with LoW -
Durandal,
2015-08-17, 12:45
- One issue with LoW -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-08-17, 12:47
- One issue with LoW -
stabbim,
2015-08-17, 14:57
- One issue with LoW - MacAddictXIV, 2015-08-17, 14:59
- One issue with LoW -
stabbim,
2015-08-17, 14:57
- One issue with LoW - stabbim, 2015-08-17, 14:59
- One issue with LoW -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-08-17, 12:47
- One issue with LoW -
Durandal,
2015-08-17, 12:45
- As someone who has all 3... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-08-17, 13:13
- +1
- Funkmon, 2015-08-17, 13:20
- As someone who has all 3... -
Ragashingo,
2015-08-17, 15:53
- As someone who has all 3... - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-08-17, 16:33
- +1
- Sounds interesting, and gives me something to consider. -
stabbim,
2015-08-17, 14:56
- Sounds interesting, and gives me something to consider. - MacAddictXIV, 2015-08-17, 14:58
- Sounds interesting, and gives me something to consider. -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-08-17, 12:37
- Agree, except for the fun to use part. -
Funkmon,
2015-08-17, 13:20
- Sidearms are inherently flawed -
Durandal,
2015-08-17, 14:02
- Sidearms are inherently flawed -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-08-17, 14:07
- Sidearm sidebar on range and hipfire. -
iconicbanana,
2015-08-17, 14:10
- It definitely feels like it. -
Funkmon,
2015-08-17, 14:12
- I think the ADS reticle is bugged - CyberKN, 2015-08-17, 14:21
- Sidearm sidebar on range and hipfire. - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-08-17, 14:15
- Dreg's Promise definitely benefits - someotherguy, 2015-08-17, 15:17
- It definitely feels like it. -
Funkmon,
2015-08-17, 14:12
- Sidearm sidebar on range and hipfire. -
iconicbanana,
2015-08-17, 14:10
- Sidearms are inherently flawed -
Cody Miller,
2015-08-17, 14:36
- That is a perfect time to use two shotguns.
- ProbablyLast, 2015-08-17, 14:39
- I hope we get a heavy shotgun.
- bluerunner, 2015-08-17, 14:44
- I hope we get a heavy shotgun. -
Cody Miller,
2015-08-17, 14:46
- Sleeper Stimulant?
- CyberKN, 2015-08-17, 14:46
- Sleeper Stimulant? - Cody Miller, 2015-08-17, 14:48
- I hope we get a heavy shotgun. -
bluerunner,
2015-08-17, 15:09
- I hope we get a heavy shotgun. - stabbim, 2015-08-18, 03:24
- Sleeper Stimulant?
- I hope we get a heavy shotgun. -
CyberKN,
2015-08-17, 14:46
- I hope we get a heavy shotgun. -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-08-17, 14:48
- I hope we get a heavy shotgun. -
bluerunner,
2015-08-17, 15:02
- I hope we get a heavy shotgun. - MacAddictXIV, 2015-08-17, 15:12
- I hope we get a heavy shotgun. -
bluerunner,
2015-08-17, 15:02
- I hope we get a heavy shotgun. -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-08-17, 14:48
- It would have to be non-exotic - ProbablyLast, 2015-08-17, 14:47
- Did you ever play AC4: Freedom Cry? - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-08-17, 14:47
- I hope we get a heavy shotgun. -
Cody Miller,
2015-08-17, 14:46
- I hope we get a heavy shotgun.
- That is a perfect time to use two shotguns.
- Sidearms are inherently flawed -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-08-17, 14:07
- Agree, except for the fun to use part. -
Cody Miller,
2015-08-17, 14:48
- Agree, except for the fun to use part. - MacAddictXIV, 2015-08-17, 14:49
- Sidearms are inherently flawed -
Durandal,
2015-08-17, 14:02
- Weapon Types -
Cody Miller,
2015-08-17, 14:42
- Weapon Types -
stabbim,
2015-08-17, 14:53
- Weapon Types -
Ragashingo,
2015-08-17, 16:08
- Weapon Types -
stabbim,
2015-08-17, 20:58
- Weapon Types -
Ragashingo,
2015-08-17, 21:59
- Weapon Types - stabbim, 2015-08-18, 03:20
- Weapon Types -
Ragashingo,
2015-08-17, 21:59
- Weapon Types -
stabbim,
2015-08-17, 20:58
- Weapon Types -
Cody Miller,
2015-08-17, 17:39
- Weapon Types -
marmot 1333,
2015-08-17, 18:24
- lmao. this was perfect
- Raflection, 2015-08-17, 19:16
- lmao. this was perfect
- Weapon Types - Ragashingo, 2015-08-17, 18:47
- Weapon Types -
marmot 1333,
2015-08-17, 18:24
- Weapon Types -
Ragashingo,
2015-08-17, 16:08
- Weapon Types -
Ragashingo,
2015-08-17, 16:02
- Shotgun range - Durandal, 2015-08-17, 17:02
- Weapon Types -
Kahzgul,
2015-08-17, 19:16
- ^ this is actually pretty amazing - Raflection, 2015-08-17, 19:21
- Weapon Types - CyberKN, 2015-08-17, 19:21
- I feel like sidearms are supposed to be... well, sidearms -
ZackDark,
2015-08-18, 01:07
- I feel like sidearms are supposed to be... well, sidearms - Leviathan, 2015-08-18, 01:16
- I feel like sidearms are supposed to be... well, sidearms - Durandal, 2015-08-18, 12:45
- I feel like sidearms are supposed to be... well, sidearms -
Korny,
2015-08-18, 13:30
- I feel like sidearms are supposed to be... well, sidearms -
Cody Miller,
2015-08-18, 13:59
- I feel like sidearms are supposed to be... well, sidearms -
Korny,
2015-08-18, 18:36
- I feel like sidearms are supposed to be... well, sidearms -
Cody Miller,
2015-08-18, 18:50
- PvE - Blackt1g3r, 2015-08-18, 18:59
- They fill a niche. -
iconicbanana,
2015-08-18, 19:03
- They fill a niche. - red robber, 2015-08-18, 23:36
- They fill a niche. - stabbim, 2015-08-19, 02:26
- I feel like sidearms are supposed to be... well, sidearms - Ragashingo, 2015-08-18, 20:00
- I feel like sidearms are supposed to be... well, sidearms - ZackDark, 2015-08-18, 22:33
- I feel like sidearms are supposed to be... well, sidearms -
Cody Miller,
2015-08-18, 18:50
- I feel like sidearms are supposed to be... well, sidearms -
Korny,
2015-08-18, 18:36
- I feel like sidearms are supposed to be... well, sidearms -
Cody Miller,
2015-08-18, 13:59
- Weapon Types -
stabbim,
2015-08-17, 14:53
- 8.5/10 good review would read again