Maybe I'm crazy... (Destiny)

by MacAddictXIV , Seattle WA, Thursday, October 08, 2015, 19:33 (3430 days ago) @ Kahzgul

I was okay with that balance when GG was the only ranged super, but now it is outclassed in every way by Sunbreakers, which feels quite unfair.

Every way? When talking about firing the actual projectile, apart from the splash of the hammer and the amount of projectiles, I'm pretty sure GG is better in every way actually.

Golden Gun:
1. Does more damage

False. For PvP purposes, hammers kill everything GG shots kill in the same number of direct hits, plus hammers get a burn DoT plus there are 7 hammers to throw compared to 3 GG shots. Hammers dish out well over twice the damage that GG is capable of.

Let me rephrase, Golden Gun does more damage per shot.

2. Faster projectile

True.

3. comes out of the gun instantly when you pull the trigger (SB's have a huge wind up to throw the hammer after a trigger pull)

True, but the caveat here is the hammer is basically spammable while GG shots are extremely limited.

This makes no sense to me. If you were to say "Pull" with both ultimates up. I'm pretty sure that a GG would get two shots off well before a SB could. Not to mention, unless a SB actually gets a direct hit, a GG should win. It's assumed that a SB is going to actually hit it's target easily, at least when I play it's not at all easy to directly hit a player.

4. fires in a straight line

This is neither an advantage nor a disadvantage, as the hammer can be thrown over cover. There are pros and cons to both cases.

At range this is a big advantage, at lower range this doesn't affect anything. For a GG, you point and shoot. at a decent range, an SB actually has to account for the arc which makes for a harder time to hit (and more time to think about it). I've never been in a situation where I could use the arc to my advantage.

5. longer range

False. You have to spec into longer range. Without the "over the horizon" perk, your GG can be dead on target and deal zero damage because of limited range.

I guess what I mean by this is, it's almost impossible to hit someone past medium range (like sniping range) with a hammer because of the arc. Maybe I'm just not a good enough aim but it's really hard to lob those hammers with accuracy.

6. faster firing (I'm not sure of this, but I'm think it's true)

Another True, but with caveat - you only have 3 GG shots, so you run out of shots really, really quickly.

Wait... I thought you just said that "basically spammable while GG shots are extremely limited."? I took that to mean that hammers can be thrown more often.

Also, because hammer shots travel through the air more slowly than GG shots, the moving hammer of doom provides very effective cover while the sunbreaker winds up for hammer number 2. Not so for GG shots.

I put this as a separate topic because it's only pro I think of is that you are saying that Hammers are great are cause mass confusion so that SB's can line up a second shot? I can see that, but I don't think it's great evidence for physic detriment to keep you from killing the SB, unless it's physically blinding you from seeing him.

You'll also notice that a lot of these are negated when you are in closer range. Which IMO is how it should be.

I'd be find with hammer being superior in close quarters, but it's superior at long ranges as well. 7 shots with damage resistance vs. 3 shots with no resistance.

I disagree when it comes to range. a GG has an easier time to get two shots off at medium range compared to a SB.