Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something (Destiny)
No, we know that a Raid Lair is a 6 player activity with Raid-level challenge occupying a shorter intended timeframe. So, to say we don't know what it is I cannot accept.
If that's the case (and I have no reason to believe it isn't), why not call it a Raid and just say it's smaller and shorter than the Raid from vanilla D2? I feel like dance around terms like "Raid Content" and "Raid Lair" is some kind of legalese way of saying "we never expressly told you it would be a Raid, per se" and that bothers me.
In the stream, they did a segment on the Mercury Destination, took a break to switch developers in the interview chairs, then DeeJ started the segment on the Raid Lairs by saying something along the lines of “We’ve gotten a lot of questions about what “Raid content” means.” Then they talked about what it means to the extent that we now know:- They aren’t adding onto the original Raid or swapping out segments for new segments.
- They aren’t intending these Raid Lairs to be of the same length or scope as a full Raid.
- They are promising to provide Raid-level content in terms of difficulty and creativity.No, they didn’t contrast its length in measurable terms to past Destiny Raids. They didn’t detail the encounters beyond saying some would be more puzzle based and some would be more sandbox based. But they’ve never shown us the encounters in the past either and all the previous Raids turned out more or less all right.
Yes, it was frustrating when they kept saying “raid activities” or “raid content” the past few weeks without even attempting to clarify what that meant, but now they have clarified it. There’s no legalese here. No deception. No one is pretending these Raid Lairs are full Raids.
Why not just call it a Raid? Because that would be worse. Even if these Raid Lairs turn out to be ever so slightly glorified Strikes, at least going forward we will know that when Bungie said Raid they mean Raid and when they say Raid Lair they mean Glorified Strike. Isn’t that better than calling everything a Raid and us having less of an idea about what we’re really getting?
If they had gone right on calling it “raid content” like the did at first you would have a point. There would have still been an unacceptable level of opacity. I didn’t like how they did that either. But now they have provided a not insignificant amount of clarification. It’s time to drop the conspiracy theories. At least until you are proven right all along...
The first half of the stream was awesome, imo. I'm STOKED for the wall of glyphs and the forge they showed. That looks really cool and NEW and very exciting.
As for the rest, I'm viewing "Raid Lair" just as you viewed "Raid Content." It's not enough clarification for me; the term just wasn't imbued with enough meaning during the stream to satisfy my skepticism. I'm happy to reserve final judgement until Bungie has finished their last stream - right now I'm simply stating that the way in which this messaging is couched reeks more of deceptive bungie marketing than of honest bungie marketing (see my post in the branch below for examples of what I mean).
Complete thread:
- Curse of Osiris - 1st live stream -
CougRon,
2017-11-15, 14:22
- Curse of Osiris - 1st live stream -
MacGyver10,
2017-11-15, 14:25
- Not much was revealed that we didn't know... -
Korny,
2017-11-15, 14:32
- Not much was revealed that we didn't know... -
Schedonnardus,
2017-11-15, 14:43
- Not much was revealed that we didn't know... -
bluerunner,
2017-11-15, 14:51
- +1 million - Robot Chickens, 2017-11-15, 14:57
- Not much was revealed that we didn't know... - breitzen, 2017-11-16, 09:19
- Not much was revealed that we didn't know... -
bluerunner,
2017-11-15, 14:51
- Not much was revealed that we didn't know... -
Schedonnardus,
2017-11-15, 14:43
- Curse of Osiris - 1st live stream -
dogcow,
2017-11-15, 14:41
- Raid Lairs = New Mini Raids - Ragashingo, 2017-11-15, 15:10
- Not much was revealed that we didn't know... -
Korny,
2017-11-15, 14:32
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-15, 14:34
- +100 -
Korny,
2017-11-15, 14:47
- +100 - Schedonnardus, 2017-11-15, 14:55
- #cheapLEYwasright -
cheapLEY,
2017-11-15, 16:18
- #cheapLEYwasright -
Korny,
2017-11-15, 23:30
- #cheapLEYwasright - cheapLEY, 2017-11-16, 07:58
- #cheapLEYwasright - Harmanimus, 2017-11-16, 09:50
- #cheapLEYwasright - cheapLEY, 2017-11-16, 15:02
- Finished. -
cheapLEY,
2017-11-17, 17:27
- Finished. - Korny, 2017-11-19, 14:09
- #cheapLEYwasright -
Korny,
2017-11-15, 23:30
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something -
Cody Miller,
2017-11-15, 14:56
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something -
Korny,
2017-11-15, 15:05
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-15, 16:14
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something -
Harmanimus,
2017-11-15, 16:36
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-15, 18:58
- Managing expectations. -
cheapLEY,
2017-11-15, 19:26
- Managing expectations. -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-16, 14:35
- Managing expectations. -
Xenos,
2017-11-16, 15:04
- Managing expectations. - Ragashingo, 2017-11-16, 15:28
- Managing expectations. - Kahzgul, 2017-11-16, 17:02
- Managing expectations. -
Xenos,
2017-11-16, 15:04
- Managing expectations. -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-16, 14:35
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something -
Ragashingo,
2017-11-15, 19:31
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-15, 21:05
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something -
MacAddictXIV,
2017-11-16, 07:06
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something - Kahzgul, 2017-11-16, 10:59
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something -
MacAddictXIV,
2017-11-16, 07:06
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-15, 21:05
- Managing expectations. -
cheapLEY,
2017-11-15, 19:26
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-15, 18:58
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something - Robot Chickens, 2017-11-15, 16:51
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something -
Harmanimus,
2017-11-15, 16:36
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something - Cody Miller, 2017-11-15, 16:25
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-15, 16:14
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something - Ragashingo, 2017-11-15, 15:19
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something - Xenos, 2017-11-15, 15:45
- your off your game Cody - electricpirate, 2017-11-15, 19:18
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something - Kermit, 2017-11-16, 07:04
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something -
Korny,
2017-11-15, 15:05
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something -
Ragashingo,
2017-11-15, 15:16
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-15, 15:38
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something -
Ragashingo,
2017-11-15, 18:23
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-15, 19:17
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something -
Ragashingo,
2017-11-15, 19:45
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-15, 21:00
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something -
Harmanimus,
2017-11-16, 10:05
- +1000 - Claude Errera, 2017-11-16, 10:41
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word and not describing it -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-16, 10:53
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word and not describing it -
Xenos,
2017-11-16, 11:37
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word and not describing it -
Cody Miller,
2017-11-16, 11:40
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word and not describing it - Xenos, 2017-11-16, 11:44
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word and not describing it - Kermit, 2017-11-16, 12:20
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word and not describing it -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-16, 12:23
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word and not describing it -
Xenos,
2017-11-16, 12:35
- Wait, what? - RaichuKFM, 2017-11-16, 13:22
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word and not describing it -
Xenos,
2017-11-16, 12:35
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word and not describing it -
Cody Miller,
2017-11-16, 11:40
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word and not describing it -
Xenos,
2017-11-16, 11:37
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something -
Harmanimus,
2017-11-16, 10:05
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-15, 21:00
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something -
Ragashingo,
2017-11-15, 19:45
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-15, 19:17
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something -
Ragashingo,
2017-11-15, 18:23
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-15, 15:38
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something -
electricpirate,
2017-11-15, 19:13
- Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something - Kahzgul, 2017-11-15, 20:18
- +100 -
Korny,
2017-11-15, 14:47
- Let's talk about the first half of the stream - Kahzgul, 2017-11-15, 21:19
- Looks neat! - cheapLEY, 2017-11-16, 08:24
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! -
breitzen,
2017-11-16, 08:42
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-16, 11:01
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! -
breitzen,
2017-11-16, 11:35
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! - Cody Miller, 2017-11-16, 11:42
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-16, 12:01
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! -
breitzen,
2017-11-16, 12:06
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! -
Harmanimus,
2017-11-16, 12:18
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-16, 12:24
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! -
Harmanimus,
2017-11-16, 12:35
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-16, 12:52
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! -
Harmanimus,
2017-11-16, 12:59
- Destiny never claimed to be hard sci-fi -
marmot 1333,
2017-11-16, 13:08
- Destiny never claimed to be hard sci-fi - breitzen, 2017-11-16, 13:23
- Destiny never claimed to be hard sci-fi -
Cody Miller,
2017-11-16, 13:56
- Destiny never claimed to be hard sci-fi -
Ragashingo,
2017-11-16, 14:26
- Destiny never claimed to be hard sci-fi -
Cody Miller,
2017-11-16, 14:31
- Destiny never claimed to be hard sci-fi - Ragashingo, 2017-11-16, 14:39
- Destiny never claimed to be hard sci-fi -
RaichuKFM,
2017-11-16, 15:04
- +1 - Robot Chickens, 2017-11-16, 16:33
- You mean besides all the obvious evidence of FTL comms? - ZackDark, 2017-11-16, 15:33
- Destiny never claimed to be hard sci-fi -
Robot Chickens,
2017-11-16, 16:32
- I like this one. Good call - ZackDark, 2017-11-16, 16:43
- Destiny never claimed to be hard sci-fi -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-16, 16:56
- What the heck guys!? Obviously it's... -
MacAddictXIV,
2017-11-17, 12:49
- What the heck guys!? Obviously it's... -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-20, 11:32
- What the heck guys!? Obviously it's... -
MacAddictXIV,
2017-11-20, 11:44
- What the heck guys!? Obviously it's... -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-20, 13:37
- What the heck guys!? Obviously it's... -
Ragashingo,
2017-11-20, 13:47
- What the heck guys!? Obviously it's... -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-20, 15:32
- What the heck guys!? Obviously it's... -
RaichuKFM,
2017-11-20, 22:15
- What the heck guys!? Obviously it's... -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-21, 01:40
- Oh, hey, you gave me an idea - ZackDark, 2017-11-21, 05:04
- What the heck guys!? Obviously it's... -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-21, 01:40
- What the heck guys!? Obviously it's... -
Ragashingo,
2017-11-21, 10:31
- What the heck guys!? Obviously it's... - Kahzgul, 2017-11-21, 10:35
- What the heck guys!? Obviously it's... -
RaichuKFM,
2017-11-20, 22:15
- What the heck guys!? Obviously it's... -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-20, 15:32
- What the heck guys!? Obviously it's... -
Ragashingo,
2017-11-20, 13:47
- What the heck guys!? Obviously it's... -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-20, 13:37
- What the heck guys!? Obviously it's... -
MacAddictXIV,
2017-11-20, 11:44
- What the heck guys!? Obviously it's... -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-20, 11:32
- What the heck guys!? Obviously it's... -
MacAddictXIV,
2017-11-17, 12:49
- Destiny never claimed to be hard sci-fi -
Cody Miller,
2017-11-16, 14:31
- Destiny never claimed to be hard sci-fi -
Ragashingo,
2017-11-16, 14:26
- Destiny never claimed to be hard sci-fi -
marmot 1333,
2017-11-16, 13:08
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! -
Harmanimus,
2017-11-16, 12:59
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-16, 12:52
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! -
Harmanimus,
2017-11-16, 12:35
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! -
RaichuKFM,
2017-11-16, 15:18
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! -
Harmanimus,
2017-11-17, 12:04
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-17, 21:10
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! -
Ragashingo,
2017-11-18, 10:05
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! - Kahzgul, 2017-11-18, 17:12
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! -
Ragashingo,
2017-11-18, 10:05
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-17, 21:10
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! -
Harmanimus,
2017-11-17, 12:04
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-16, 12:24
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! -
Harmanimus,
2017-11-16, 12:18
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! -
breitzen,
2017-11-16, 12:06
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! -
Ragashingo,
2017-11-16, 14:35
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-16, 17:01
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! -
cheapLEY,
2017-11-16, 17:51
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! -
ZackDark,
2017-11-16, 21:10
- +1000000000000^100000000000000 - Kahzgul, 2017-11-16, 22:41
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! -
ZackDark,
2017-11-16, 21:10
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! -
cheapLEY,
2017-11-16, 17:51
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-16, 17:01
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! -
breitzen,
2017-11-16, 11:35
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! - Schedonnardus, 2017-11-16, 11:42
- Curse of Osiris is looking good! -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-16, 11:01
- Asking the real question here -
Up North 65,
2017-11-16, 18:51
- Asking the real question here - Kahzgul, 2017-11-16, 22:42
- Asking the real question here -
Robot Chickens,
2017-11-17, 10:21
- Asking the real question here -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-17, 11:00
- Asking the real question here -
RaichuKFM,
2017-11-17, 12:25
- Asking the real question here -
Up North 65,
2017-11-17, 12:45
- Asking the real question here -
Xenos,
2017-11-17, 12:58
- Asking the real question here - Ragashingo, 2017-11-17, 13:48
- Asking the real question here -
Xenos,
2017-11-17, 12:58
- Asking the real question here - Kahzgul, 2017-11-17, 21:07
- Asking the real question here -
Up North 65,
2017-11-17, 12:45
- Asking the real question here -
RaichuKFM,
2017-11-17, 12:25
- Asking the real question here -
Kahzgul,
2017-11-17, 11:00
- Curse of Osiris - 1st live stream -
MacGyver10,
2017-11-15, 14:25