Raid Lairs - I hate inventing a word to describe something (Destiny)

by MacAddictXIV , Seattle WA, Thursday, November 16, 2017, 07:06 (2565 days ago) @ Kahzgul

No, we know that a Raid Lair is a 6 player activity with Raid-level challenge occupying a shorter intended timeframe. So, to say we don't know what it is I cannot accept.

If that's the case (and I have no reason to believe it isn't), why not call it a Raid and just say it's smaller and shorter than the Raid from vanilla D2? I feel like dance around terms like "Raid Content" and "Raid Lair" is some kind of legalese way of saying "we never expressly told you it would be a Raid, per se" and that bothers me.

In the stream, they did a segment on the Mercury Destination, took a break to switch developers in the interview chairs, then DeeJ started the segment on the Raid Lairs by saying something along the lines of “We’ve gotten a lot of questions about what “Raid content” means.” Then they talked about what it means to the extent that we now know:

- They aren’t adding onto the original Raid or swapping out segments for new segments.
- They aren’t intending these Raid Lairs to be of the same length or scope as a full Raid.
- They are promising to provide Raid-level content in terms of difficulty and creativity.

No, they didn’t contrast its length in measurable terms to past Destiny Raids. They didn’t detail the encounters beyond saying some would be more puzzle based and some would be more sandbox based. But they’ve never shown us the encounters in the past either and all the previous Raids turned out more or less all right.

Yes, it was frustrating when they kept saying “raid activities” or “raid content” the past few weeks without even attempting to clarify what that meant, but now they have clarified it. There’s no legalese here. No deception. No one is pretending these Raid Lairs are full Raids.

Why not just call it a Raid? Because that would be worse. Even if these Raid Lairs turn out to be ever so slightly glorified Strikes, at least going forward we will know that when Bungie said Raid they mean Raid and when they say Raid Lair they mean Glorified Strike. Isn’t that better than calling everything a Raid and us having less of an idea about what we’re really getting?

If they had gone right on calling it “raid content” like the did at first you would have a point. There would have still been an unacceptable level of opacity. I didn’t like how they did that either. But now they have provided a not insignificant amount of clarification. It’s time to drop the conspiracy theories. At least until you are proven right all along...

The first half of the stream was awesome, imo. I'm STOKED for the wall of glyphs and the forge they showed. That looks really cool and NEW and very exciting.

As for the rest, I'm viewing "Raid Lair" just as you viewed "Raid Content." It's not enough clarification for me; the term just wasn't imbued with enough meaning during the stream to satisfy my skepticism. I'm happy to reserve final judgement until Bungie has finished their last stream - right now I'm simply stating that the way in which this messaging is couched reeks more of deceptive bungie marketing than of honest bungie marketing (see my post in the branch below for examples of what I mean).

I feel like you are reading "deceptive Bungie" in reality it's just "tight lipped Bungie"
We all know Bungie always keeps their raids under lock and key. Nothing about a raid gets out. Now, they are trying to get a "raid experience" out to the public and not disappoint people. So for the first time they are telling you things about the raid experience and you think they are trying to deceive you?